The "Bishop Ult vs. AM Ult" thread

This can only shift the imbalances though. So they remove Genesis, all Bishops quit and start playing Nightlords instead. So everyone complains about how advantaged Nightlords are. So they remove Onyx Apples, nerf Triple Throw, and make Haste a bandit-only skill. So all Nightlords quit and start playing Heroes. Then people peach about the insane damage possible from Brandish and how unfair scrolled shields can make things. So they nerf Brandish and make shields not able to add attack anymore. So everyone quits Heroes and starts playing FP Mages. Then everyone peaches about how Mist can killsteal an entire map without effort, so they nerf Mist to make it only able to hit 6 monsters at once.

Yeah, BALANCE IS pineappleING AWESOME.

Equal, not less than.

Who said anything about removing Genesis? Or Blizzard or Meteo, which you didn't mention for whatever reason?

Small adjustments don't cause mass migrations. People didn't all start playing CBs because Chakra was made semi-useful, or Snipers because the IA piercing modifier was increased, or Paladins because HH cooldown was shortened.

-lots of crap about going back to Himes-

So? Nowhere did Nexon declare that Skele has to be THE endgame map for bishops. If they got something that enabled them to kill Himes much faster instead, I'd be all for it.

This is not true. Also, your statements about how advantaged Bishops are (funny how you specifically talk about only Holy Magicians rather than all Magicians...? Freudian slip, much?) is inaccurate as well. Calculate the total DPS of a Bishop (or, really, Mage), then compare it to the total DPS possible from the other classes. I assure you that it is not 3 times greater.

http://www.sleepywood.net/forum/showthre...?t=1433135

Yes, it's 3rd job DPS, but it's still a valid comparison if you make some adjustments.

Single Target
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2h Crusader - 23,659
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6 targets
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Priest vs. holy weak - 50,404

Now. Single target for a Sader is using Power Strike, or 364% damage. In 4th job, that becomes 988% per hit with Brandish:
23,659 * 988/364 = 64,217

As for the Priest, Genesis as you say is 1.5x stronger than SR on a single target. Also, say with Gene you can hit an average of 10 monsters per cast.
50,404 * 1.5 * 10/6 = 126,010

Maybe not three times, but it says something.