4.0.1, Pre Cataclysm patch

Outgearing the content doesn't fix stupid. We did a 20man [Dedicated Few] Immortal last Sunday and we had someone die on 4 Horseman, Saph, and KT. The only reason we actually got it this time was because it was a full guild-run and people weren't freaking stupid.

There's a reason why Ulduar is still tough as nails even as of today.

Case in point: I tried for the Immortal yesterday and we failed because two people blew up on Sapphiron's ice bombs. One of those two people died *twice* on the next boss too, somehow.

Hell, I've only fought Sapphiron once before but it really isn't hard to get behind ice blocks. It's just like Sindy.