Crimon Gaurdian training?

the problem is really that it has to be comparable to ultimate spamming in order to be considered decent by most mage standards. otherwise, most people wouldn't bother training for 'slow' exp.

That and the fact that you are 15x by the time you can have all three maxed. High level Demon is essential to efficient training here, more because of the number of targets and Damage over Time than anything. At the very least you'll want to be 140 with a build specifically designed for training with these skills. You'd have like, 1 ultimate, max demon, and then either high level Elquiness (sp?) for a F/P, or the option of CL or Ifrit for I/L. The F/P could go Paralyze, but I'm not sure how the damage works out. I should probably see if I can get my similarly leveled F/P friend to test it out with me there.

Either way, it's difficult to cater a build just for these, you'll need lots of all cures, and you definitely won't be truly effective until about 140+

A couple of friends of mine are trying it out though. A bowmaster and I/L Arch, both high 14x. They seemed to like the exp, though it might have worked better if there were three people: One for each side on the bottom, and one on the top. I didn't test it with them since I didn't have all cures on me, but it seems an interesting alternative, if not necessarily faster. I mean, didn't we start playing this game for fun anyway?