2008-08-18, 01:54 PM
Quote:I'm not trying to bash religion at all
Quote:I'm a very open atheist with strong ideals, and I could argue my point of view with yours all day. We atheists have our argument based upon scientific evidence and empirical data, while Religion is traditional beliefs based upon the words of a book. My belief in God personally died with my infantile beliefs of the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny, I simply cannot believe in something I cannot see, and in something that makes no sense based upon the basic laws of physics.
Comparing religion to "the Easter Bunny" and the "Tooth Fairy". Of course you're not bashing at all!

Quote:Its not an assumption that children of religious people are forced into their parent's religion. That is why I don't believe in the term Christian child, I prefer to call them children of Christian parents.
Then, what is your assumption?
Quote:Christians are only "moral" when they think they are being judged. When they think they can get away with things, they try to.
Keep in mind there are Christians on this thread. This is way too broad. Sure, televangelists give us a bad name when their affairs get revealed. That would be akin to comparing say, all Muslims to the ones that crashed the planes into the World Trade Center.
Quote:These Christians created theocracies, and armies.
Of course, now that Western Europe is mainly secular, their armies have evaporated into thin air.
Quote:They killed the non-believers for not being Christians.
And vice versa.
Quote:Besides physical ways of imposing their beliefs on us
I'm not aware of any slayings because someone refused to accept Christianity in the past 100 years.
Quote:they have forced their way into the American government, which is suppose to be SECULAR
Incorrect; though the Founding Fathers were not christian, the majority of the United States, the "founders", were devout Christians. And even by today's standards, the US government isn't supposed to "enforce atheism", unfortunately for you.
Quote:They try to change laws and try to add religious objects in public space to spread and be proud in their ancient beliefs.
Because we think Christmas trees in general and a depiction the Ten Commandments in front of a courthouse threaten my right to not practice any religion.
Quote:Religion is religion, and Christianity is Christianity. Regardless of their internal divisions they all believe in general same nonsense.
But you lump them together and say "they all committed genocide."
Quote:Its true that wars have been used in the name of Christianity not only for religious purposes but to spread the Theocracy's empire. My point being that without whichever the religion the empire has, the leaders wouldn't have had as much power over the people as they did. As I have said earlier, in a Theocracy or if a state has an official religion, if you break the laws, you are not just going against the state, but you are going against the gods.
And as we know, nothing ever happens when lack of religion is rigidly imposed.
Let's see...
- Soviet Union
- China
- North Korea
Hm... let's compare human rights in these countries to human rights in the United States.
Quote:Currently I believe we initially has so much support for the war on "terror" because of religious reasons. It was made clear over and over again in the first year after 9/11 that the terroist were muslims and we were the "Christians".
Most Christians don't support killing Muslims for their religion. Would you like to clarify?
Quote:I think its disgusting that Christians break apart families, destroy cultures, and kill people in the name of conversions.
Of course, those who aren't active believers in a religion never indulge in wars. And... where has humanism brought us? (Hm... divorce rates) And I fixed it for you, below.
Quote:I think its disgusting that Atheists break apart families, destroy cultures, and kill people in the name of "equality" (i.e. class warfare...)

