A Message from a Guildie

All we're doing in Africa is build shelters, feed people, and advocate local society norms. We already established that feeding people will not do much [for the impoverished, diseased, and starving people], and neither will building shelters. Thus, really the only thing I see from that list that helps is setting up their children for adoption, but I highly doubt ALL the children can be adopted by someone [in well-to-do countries], especially not in a time of economic crisis.

As I said, the two are different scenarios. You can't just cram them together and try force-solving them the same way.

Or just surviving and stabbing you because you're hoarding all of the food to be found on the island. Hypothetically speaking.

Hypothetically speaking, yes that does make sense. However, since you keep saying that humans are social animals, perhaps there is more survival value keeping BOTH me and you alive.

However, if forced into a situation in which one MUST die, I'd say save yourself or I'll probably save myself and leave you for dead.

Ask the people who sacrifice themselves for their loved ones or the ones they care about.

Obviously, if you're talking about loved ones, that's a different matter. We're talking about strangers, people you're fighting for but don't know about. And obviously if you don't know the people you're fighting for, you don't love them. How do you love someone that you don't know? That point has never made sense to me.

As for peaceful examples, they don't illustrate the point very well. I would say government regulations (especially socialism and communism) and charities if you really want examples.

Communism and socialism do not work well, because what ends up happening is that the government acts as a giant leech that saps people of their property. Peaceful example: people negotiate with each other to come to an agreement, in which case, nobody gets hurt and the issues are addressed.

Hey look! Society being stronger than individual humans! Social instinct IS stronger! It also proves that human survival instinct is degraded.

Society is funny like that. It's not like you or me where we have our own set of ideas and behaviors. Society is like a melting pot of stuff, where you might have your lipids at the top and water in the middle and acid at the bottom. And of course, society isn't that segregated.

Well, self-defeating isn't exactly correct. It's just that society usually wins. And then there's society whose people keep blasting themselves back into the stone age or something; those guys you can say are self-defeating.

Fitness, the survival of an individual organism and it's offspring, should be prioritized, the society comes second. After all, would your society back you up? I would highly doubt it.

Governments send their troops into wars as pawns. Do they care if you die? To some extent, if they lose a high amount of people, However, should a casualty occurs, it's merely a mishap and you'll just become another statistic. Your government does NOTHING (except maybe send your wife and children cards but that's all).

Also, why should it be limited to societies? A person is a person, is a person. People are killing each other. Other people care about you? Nope. So why should you care about them.

Also, no one said life was fair, was it? Those dogs certainly didn't get the winning side of the (passive) war against each other.

I did not say that life was fair. However, that still doesn't change the idea that the dogs should not be leeching off people.

You're right. We should all just give up on our silly ideals and let the stray population grow at an ever more alarming rate. Maybe we can use the lots where the shelters once sat for even more practical purposes, too. Do apartment buildings and liquor stores sound good to you?

No. They'll die off without the aid.

And yes, apartment buildings do sound good, though I wouldn't want the liquor stores to be there, as those wouldn't be much more beneficial than the dog shelters.