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Maplestory is not dying, it is already deceased
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TheBlackMage Wrote:Malthe;
Remember it's not the way they are trying to target their audience (other taiwnese people) I've seen koreans dual stream on twitch and afreecatv for example, to get growing for example.
I think I might have given the wrong intention to you, I didn't mean that viewership as the best benchmark for lively hood of the game, but if you look at their streams a lot of people are on and FM is full, you can see it in the stream, what's more is the fact, this is not the right site for them to be on, and they are still getting respectable amount of views.
Maplestory is declining in the west, that's what this whole topic is about, you're ignoring that, Twitch is western, it has <300 views on avg, it is not even seen on the frontpage until 4~6 scrolls down or so at times, not that many people care about Maplestory streams here it is small and reserve, It is huge in the right audience sites just like the game itself, and the fact they get decent viewership at the least on something that isn't meant for them is a good thing, yeah sure call me stupid but you're not using any logic at all, Twitch isn't where they stream to get views to begin with.
Ok i'm no longer gonna just ask if you're stupid, you seem to either intentionally be ignoring what i'm saying or you're just moving the goalpost for the sake of it.
First you say that 60 viewers of 5 streams is great because it's Taiwanese streamers on a western platform on off-hours, now you argue that i should look at the streams and see that the games are thriving?

Are you incapable of reading? i am not arguing about the livelihood of maplestory.
And no, 60 viewers, even 100 viewers and even pineappleing 200 viewers is not a respectable amount of viewers, i mean for a casual streamer that's probably fine. But those numbers are what casual streamers for active and thriving games on twitch get, when those are among your top streamers it is in no way a respectable number

And again, what does maplestory's decline have to do with anything i'm talking about? no i'm not ignoring it, because it was never relevant to what i was commenting on or what i've been talking about for my past few posts.

Let's recap

You used a stupidly small amount of viewers as a metric and argument for why maplestory was doing well.
Other people and myself tell you that said viewer count is stupidly low and doesn't support your case.
You then begin to move the goalpost by saying pomegranate like "but if you look at their streams a lot of people are on and FM is full"

I mean, how the pineapple am i not using logic? SEA streamers that speak chinese primarily and stream dota on twitch still get western viewership that doesn't understand them, korean dota players that stream and speak korean also get western viewership that doesn't understand them. Regardless of it not being the streaming service native to their own country or region. Why? Because dota is a big and thriving game where you most definitely can use twitch viewership to support your argument of it doing well.
Why? because it's always on top and no matter what it's doing well.

Once again, i'm not saying mapelstory is doing poorly since this is apparently hard for you to understand, i'm saying that YOUR METRIC AND THE VIEWS MAPLESTORY GETS ON TWITCH, REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU TRY TO TURN IT DOES NOT REFLECT MAPLESTORY IN A POSITIVE LIGHT AT ALL.

If maplestory was interesting to watch, then people would be watching it. Clearly twitch isn't interesting in the game.

And if you were a smart person you'd realize "oh this game probably isn't interesting to twitch's audience" and stop trying to use twitch as a metric that supports your case, because it doesn't.

I mean at this point i almost feel like i'm being baited, there's no way you're this dense right? Anyway i'm genuinely done with this pomegranate. Like talking to a brick wall.
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Maplestory is not dying, it is already deceased - by Malthe - 2016-06-09, 08:31 PM

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