2009-01-19, 11:19 PM
TamilTiger1 Wrote:Why don't you think of the other side?
At bosses if we aren't taken with main attackers (NLs/BM/Warriors), we're forced to stay there for hell of a lot longer or even fail the run... its your own question directed back at you... "so we should HAVE to party NLs/BMs/Warriors at bosses" for successfull or fastest run? Even if there are lots of other classes to go bossing with, they don't accept arch mages they would rather take any other classes. Even smaller bosses like pap, i remember back at 3rd job magicians had to look for parties A LOT LONGER than most of these other classes just to go pap. Now that they suddenly surpass everyone else in just ONE thing and everyone is against it lol.
Obviously since we can't boss effectively, there has to be a better training method which is the ultimates. What you're saying is, its ok for arch mages to "be treated like sh'it at bosses" but its ok for other classes to dominate bosses and they should also have simliar training methods like arch mages?
Exactly what I was going to say in response.
To everyone else who replied to me:
1.) Do I know how lucky I have it? When I have non-Magician Shadowers telling me they can get 26m exp/hr with 2x at Newties in a party, or non-Magician DrKs telling me they can get 30m exp/hr with 2x at Newties in a party, while I get 28m exp/hr with 2x there soloing, 30m exp/hr in a party, what am I going to think? What I see is two different sides of data here, one side saying your training is crap no matter what as non-Magicians, the other side saying it's okay. Don't yell at me for speaking out when I may be extremely privileged if all I know is that I train just as fast as non-Magicians.
2.) Lol? What is this issue of "moan moan so now I HAVE to party Magicians to train as fast as possible?" Well, yea, sorry, that's how the game's designed. Do I always wait to train until I get a Bishop for Skeles because I know it's the fastest? Yea, I do. If you're a person who is going to train on 4 2x cards a day so you can hit 200, then I'm sure you should be used to not getting the best exp/hr possible all the time, and that's something you have to deal with, not complain about. Just like how I deal with the fact that if 4/6 NLs on an HT run die or dc, I've just wasted hours and apples for a run that's destined to fail.
And "oh pomegranate I can't find a Magician training partner for my 2x time to rant on SP?" The figures two years ago of the amount of gMS players playing Magicians were staggering, and they have only grown since then. Back then, over 1/3 of the gMS population played a Magician, and I'm sure by now, especially with the Bishop bandwagon, it's closer to 40%, if not at it was back then.
People, as of 7:14 pm PST January 19th, there are 20,739 4th jobbers in gMS. While a few are hackers, the great portion are all legit, hard-grinding players who need one another to train. So if 30-40% of them are Magicians, I'm wondering how in the world non-Magicians can't find parties with these people when they need them.
And before you say "I train at the dead of night," I'll just ask if you've gone through the rankings before like I have looking for a training partner. As in, have you personally, when you're about to train, spent 30-60 minutes going through your servers rankings, from people levels 120-200, whispering anyone with a Magician symbol next to their IGN? You'd be surprised how many people you can find willing to train, and how many training partnerships you can forge in no time at all.
So you need to find a Magician to train with in order to get the best exp possible. Big whoop, we all do, myself included. Go ahead and grumble about it a little bit, but if you're going to sit on your ass complaining rather than spending the time hunting for a training partner, a lot of us won't care about what you have to say.
This is essentially going back to what Tamil said but I think the issue between Magicians and non-Magicians is that the pseudo-balance we have already in-game is needing to rely on each other. Seeing as how this thread has erupted into back and forth heated arguing (and I'm not denying that I had a part in it), I can see that Nexon's attempts at balancing classes through teamwork were lost from the get-go to a gMS population that's too immature to handle them.
So can we stop the peaching? Non-magicians, you need Magicians to spam ultimates at Leafre training spots to train at your optimal speeds, and Magicians, you need non-Magicians to be able to successfully complete a boss run to get skills and equips you need. Once we come to understand this fundamental fact of MapleStory class design, arguments like these wont happen.