What changes would you like to see in 4th job skills?

Newties = 1 inch inbetween each of the immobile mobs, extremely easy to punch. Avenger is useless at skele's except to mob them.

And Arrow Rain is so much better.

I'm not doubting that NLs are rather screwed training-wise, but Avenger itself really is nothing to complain about. If you want to complain, complain about TT, not Avenger.

Bowmasters weren't made for close combat to begin with nor mobs. They're one-on-one-from-range class.

You could say the same about NLs.

Compared to most, if not all other mob skills, avenger is pomegranate. Have you ever played a hermit, and I'm not talking about private servers with perfect 10%'d pomegranate, 50 rebirths and supplying your own SE, Holy Charge and Combo all-in-one doing 3,000,000 damage per avenger hit.

Avenger. Is. pomegranate.

No, I haven't played a hermit.

I've played a sniper, whose Iron Arrow has a smaller vertical range than Avenger and who doesn't have FJ. And I wouldn't say it's the worst 2nd job mob skill..

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Nice out of context.

It's relatively slow, weak and has an odd area of effect (basically, straight in front of you).

About half of all attacking skills hit straight in front of you, one way or another o-o