2009-01-03, 04:36 AM
bio9205 Wrote:I lost u at ur second "comment" :f6:Meaning if someone quotes me and directs what they say at me, I'll comment, but I will stop commenting at people's opinions if they're just directed at the thread.
Wall of text @ Findings
More likely, the harassment, as well as any type of interaction, is to evoke a response. Whereas "being nice" to someone is to gain a positive response, harassment is used to gain a negative one.
1) An example would be that, let's say, someone just lied to you in order to prevent something from happening.
2) But then, you can say they lied to you to protect you.
If that was the purpose, then the implication would be different for both ways of speaking. This is why you often find these among politicians, though you still cannot claim them false. If all the politicians are liars, many of them would already be downed out of office.
Findings Wrote:People try, but it's much more difficult to do.Much more difficult is not impossible. Therefore, the argument does not work?
Findings Wrote:What is wrong with it? Yes, but it would only be a perfect world from my perspective. I never said there was any universal standard of what is normal.Ok. So why are you speaking as though your standard is the universal standard? 'Normal' means universally accepted, as you said:
Findings Wrote:Normal is a person or a group's preconceived notion of what is to be expected of someone.
Findings Wrote:There isn't much effort required, and it's not for any of those reasons usually. People will behave in MS according to what will benefit them the most. Like joining a popular guild, then pretending that you <3 them so you can get a free zhelm and HT pendant or any other items. It's very easy to do and in any sort of pinch where people see what you're doing you can always justify it with the good old hypocritical "it's just a game" excuse. And people that behave this way in game could very well be some of the most productive people outside of it. Obviously that would have to be somewhat different or they wouldn't be able to support themselves.As if you don't behave in real life for rewards? People don't flatter their teachers for the good grades? They don't pretend their someone's friend so they can receive help? They don't slut their bosses because they want a higher salary and position? The world revolves around reward and reinforcement. Therefore, you cannot use this to differentiate between online activities and irl activities because they happen in both situations.
Findings Wrote:Harassment and "being nice" to someone aren't opposites, it's what you have associated with them that makes you think they are opposites. Someone that is harassing you may only be doing it to get you to realize something and not for purely selfish purposes. Likewise, people may pretend to be nice just to get something that they want from you.Since when does someone harass you in a positive way? Harassment is defined as "The making of unwanted and offensive advances or of offensive remarks or acts, especially by one in a superior or supervisory position or when acquiescence to such behavior is a condition of continued employment, promotion, or satisfactory evaluation." Therefore, when does someone "harass" you to make you realize something?
More likely, the harassment, as well as any type of interaction, is to evoke a response. Whereas "being nice" to someone is to gain a positive response, harassment is used to gain a negative one.
Findings Wrote:In real life you will show it whether you want to or not in your split second reactions. In bad situations where you're stressed out it will be hard to control yourself. You can hide it sometimes, but you will be vulnerable eventually.And you can't be vulnerable on the internet as well? Look at so many of the things posted in the Pits of Hell. If you were around for Fiel's thread, you'd know that he has flaws too. Everyone has flaws which will inevitably show regardless of whether you're online or not. Therefore, again you cannot use this to differentiate online and irl.
Findings Wrote:The mods on South Perry delete informative posts that hurt people's e-feelings regularly. This forum isn't exempt from being a typical Maple Story forum full of BS. People do do what you describe if they are pushed enough. I've witnessed it many times in highschool. That's exactly what I've said all along, but the point is that it's much more commonplace online due to the ease of it and lack of consequences.They do not. They only delete the things that are not socially acceptable. Otherwise, many of the things in the Pits of Hell would be deleted. The people who post BS get warned. Also, again, commonplace online does not mean that the real world is exempt from it. Remember again, that these are real people you're dealing with online, not CPUs.
Findings Wrote:I still interact with others despite meeting plenty of two faced people, just only in real life where I can actually hold people somewhat accountable. I'm not a hermit yet, though I'm not entirely opposed to the idea. Those things matter to me. I would prefer not to be friends with someone than to have an unreliable friend. I can understand if people prefer quantity over quality and don't care to see if they're good friends, but it's just not something I'm interested in.From this post, what you're saying is that quality means having no friends at all and quantity means having friends?
Findings Wrote:I talk to them because, as you say as well, everyone is a liar. What matters to me is what they lie about and how they go about doing it. The successful people I'm talking about would be the politicians and businessmen that had to lie to a few people, fire a few people or even kill a few people to get to the seat that they have, and cover it all up or twist it a way that is contrary to the truth. Ted Kennedy comes to mind.I did not say everyone is a liar. I said everyone lies at certain points in their lives, some more than others. Also, twisting it in a way that is contrary to the truth does not happen. Rather, the truth is given in a different tone, and the individual reading it infers something different. That's not contrary to the truth, rather, while it's implications may be different from the truth, it is still the truth.
1) An example would be that, let's say, someone just lied to you in order to prevent something from happening.
2) But then, you can say they lied to you to protect you.
If that was the purpose, then the implication would be different for both ways of speaking. This is why you often find these among politicians, though you still cannot claim them false. If all the politicians are liars, many of them would already be downed out of office.
Findings Wrote:No one can trick you if you see everything communicated to you as simple text and take none of it to heart. If someone does manage to trick me though, I try to pay them back. I realize that it would be my fault though, for taking something on the internet seriously.You should take people on the internet seriously, because most of the time, they are serious... you're a VERY cynical person. No offense.