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Lynel · (This post was last modified: 2008-12-09, 11:21 AM by Lynel.)

After making my spearman I've learned a lot of things about them, but some things such as how to distribute 3rd job SP give reason to second guess.

As a hybrid, I'll obviously max Spear Crusher and PA Fury. I also intend to max Elemental Resistance, have at least 3 points on Sacrifice, and max Dragon's Roar. This leaves me with 38 SP to put on any remaining skills, and this is also the point at which I'm unsure of how to proceed.

For starters, I don't want to waste SP on Dragon's Blood while I have NLC pots and fully intend to max Beholder's Hex during 4th job (is the weapon attack buff pot smart?), so that rules out one skill. I also have no intention of maxing Spear Fury, as it is incredibly weak compared to Spear Crusher and can't even compete on 6 enemies, nor is it especially necessary for mobbing when there are skills like Rush (I may consider putting 1 point on it, but that's it). PA Crusher is equally worthless, forever being weaker than PA Fury no matter how many enemies there are.

So now I'm left with 37 SP assuming I put a point on Spear Fury in the event that I'll use it to quickly aggro an enemy, although I very much doubt that I'll ever use it. So what do I put my SP on? Do I max Sacrifice and max Blood just because there's nothing else to put it on? Am I underestimating spear Fury's range even though its attack power is garbage? Do I throw the points on some lovely first job skills like Endure? Do I become one of the only DK's in existance with max Power Crash? I'm hoping some of you more experienced types can help me.

modular · 2008-12-09, 11:33 AM

Lynel Wrote:Am I underestimating spear Fury's range even though its attack power is garbage?

yes. gobies will always be a useful money map. you cant rush gobies effectively.
i cant quite remember but if you max spear fury you can probably 2hko a goby. its much faster than 2 crushers to be rid of the things and the range makes it ridiculously easy to hit all 6.
but outside of gobies... it aint so great.

bother w/ 1 in power crash for looks. more isnt really worth anything unless you plan to ht and someone else doesnt have more sp in it.

as for blood, you can show that maxing it decimates the meso cost of having a 12 att buff at the price of dispellability.

and finally, i have a low opinion of sacrifice and a high opinion of endure. Heart

mugsly · (This post was last modified: 2008-12-09, 11:51 AM by mugsly.)

i'm one of the old school hybrid dk's, so i have max blood (nlc didn't come till i was like 11x ><)

but i suggest u get 151
max spear crusher (duh Excellent

) 121
max pa fury 91
max roar 61
max ER 41
max sacrifice (i like it when some priest heals me a bit over zerk limit ;D) 11
the rest on spear fury (only usefull when luring monsters)
but it beats the other skills,
pa crusher will never be used because sacrifice will overpower it by a lot
and blood is just worthless with nlcpots and 4th job beholder
and to get crash u need 3 blood which'll leave u with only 8 crash which is 52% ><, and for ht a hero will usually have a crash

Hiepocrite · (This post was last modified: 2009-08-18, 01:51 PM by Hiepocrite.)

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Lynel · 2008-12-09, 11:57 AM

modular Wrote:yes. gobies will always be a useful money map. you cant rush gobies effectively.
i cant quite remember but if you max spear fury you can probably 2hko a goby. its much faster than 2 crushers to be rid of the things and the range makes it ridiculously easy to hit all 6.
but outside of gobies... it aint so great.

as for blood, you can show that maxing it decimates the meso cost of having a 12 att buff at the price of dispellability.

and finally, i have a low opinion of sacrifice and a high opinion of endure.

Does it matter if I'm hybrid though? I'd think that 1hkoing gobies would be of higher priority than 1hkoing bone fish.

Blood I might get just for how neat it looks and so I don't need to carry around pots all the time.

Sacrifice I sort of agree with you about.

FlameChocobo · 2008-12-09, 12:16 PM

Warrior Elixirs are seriously utterly expensive. I'd stay away from those to save mesos and max Dragon Blood after Pole Arm Crusher and/or Spear Fury.

As mentioned before, Ciders give 20 w. att with the cost of 5 accuracy. Therefore, it saves you mesos a little bit even if they don't stack, if bought. Otherwise, Dragon Blood is recommended to max.

Lynel · 2008-12-09, 12:41 PM

Meso cost doesn't matter to me since Blood is replaced by Hex anyway. If it was irreplaceable I'd be more apt to max it, but since it isn't I'd just be throwing away SP.

Right now I'm leaning towards 30 Sacrifice and the rest on first job skills (endure/hp recovery). If any training locations similar but better than Himes come out in the future, PA's will once again reign supreme, but Sacrifice will be the best option for PA's on single-targets.

WillDaSnail · (This post was last modified: 2008-12-09, 12:59 PM by WillDaSnail.)

Do NOT max Hex, ever.

Unless you want to apple anytime at will, Hex will pretty much stop you from doing that since it'll keep buffing you constantly, and replacing the apple (which will likely piss you off). There's a certain level to cap it before the hex starts giving you the weapon att effects (look up in hidden-street).

That's my 2 cents.

P.S. Oh, for 3rd job - 1 power crash, 3 sacrifice for DR, max blood (for backup att buff), and any points remaining is your own choice to put it on anything you want. Do whatever you want, its your character ;D

mugsly · 2008-12-09, 01:08 PM

i have maxed hex, and I like it.
if i want to apple, i'll just not summon the beholder, it will still give me the mastery, the only downside is that u won't get the superbless nor the heal, but the 3 extra atk is worth it imho

MoT · 2008-12-09, 01:10 PM

WillDaSnail Wrote:Do NOT max Hex, ever.

Unless you want to apple anytime at will, Hex will pretty much stop you from doing that since it'll keep buffing you constantly, and replacing the apple (which will likely piss you off). There's a certain level to cap it before the hex starts giving you the weapon att effects (look up in hidden-street).

That's my 2 cents.

P.S. Oh, for 3rd job - 1 power crash, 3 sacrifice for DR, max blood (for backup att buff), and any points remaining is your own choice to put it on anything you want. Do whatever you want, its your character ;D

I gotta agree with the mage on this because when 4th job first came out, I was 151 and I thought that the 15 atk upgrade was worth it but with the inability to use apples I was just a weak atker at HT and zak. Blood may be a lil weaker but it's better than the hex buff.

Also my recommendations for hybrid is this:
30 Spear Crusher
30 Pole Fury
3 Power Crash (so you can learn blood)
20 Dragon Blood
30 Roar
20 Elemental Resistance
18 Sacrifice

in that order to but fury and crusher can be switched around depending on where you train.

Gl future hybrid Dark knight

Lynel · (This post was last modified: 2008-12-09, 01:39 PM by Lynel.)

WillDaSnail Wrote:Do NOT max Hex, ever.

Unless you want to apple anytime at will, Hex will pretty much stop you from doing that since it'll keep buffing you constantly, and replacing the apple (which will likely piss you off). There's a certain level to cap it before the hex starts giving you the weapon att effects (look up in hidden-street).

That's my 2 cents.

P.S. Oh, for 3rd job - 1 power crash, 3 sacrifice for DR, max blood (for backup att buff), and any points remaining is your own choice to put it on anything you want. Do whatever you want, its your character ;D

I thought Hex was an active skill, not a passive skill.

Even if it needs beholder, I wouldn't be terribly upset if I used Zerk w/out Beholder at bosses in order to apple, not to mention I'm sure it's something that'll be fixed eventually. The only times I'd really use apples at bosses is during solos anyway, I doubt I'd get an apple over any of the ranged classes (not to mention I'm cheap and rarely use apples). :/

Stereo · 2008-12-09, 05:15 PM

FlameChocobo Wrote:Warrior Elixirs are seriously utterly expensive.

Really... 37.5k per hour never seemed like much to me. Hell I use them on my 6x Assassin cause I have more than enough spare mesos.

Blood uses 18k HP per hour, which should be about 10k mesos per hour... so you're only saving 25k, and wasting 20 3rd job SP to do it.

modular · 2008-12-09, 05:55 PM

Lynel Wrote:Does it matter if I'm hybrid though? I'd think that 1hkoing gobies would be of higher priority than 1hkoing bone fish.

if you can reliably kill houses with a polearm before they armor, you might as well use that. gobies arent the issue aside from aggroing them, because theyre so weak for so much xp and money. lvl 1 fury does that. the real issue is getting ~2hko on houses. you wont be able to in the lvl12x range ill bet, especially with polearm. but 12x is really when you start making a lot of money.

this still isnt really an argument for maxing fury... but using spears at a prime money spot is what i think youll have to do until you get pretty high berserk.

Corn · 2008-12-09, 07:54 PM

FlameChocobo Wrote:Warrior Elixirs are seriously utterly expensive. I'd stay away from those to save mesos and max Dragon Blood after Pole Arm Crusher and/or Spear Fury.

As mentioned before, Ciders give 20 w. att with the cost of 5 accuracy. Therefore, it saves you mesos a little bit even if they don't stack, if bought. Otherwise, Dragon Blood is recommended to max.

Believe it or not, Dragon Blood only saves a negligible amount of mesoes because of the constant reduction in hp and mp when used.

Resonance · 2008-12-09, 08:54 PM

Old School Guide Style!

Spear Fury does a little less than one of your 3 Spear Crusher hits, but it's much faster and reaches about 2/5 of your screen. As for Rush replacing Spear Fury... I've yet to see the max range of Rush in action myself (and if I have I must not have been paying attention), but you can't hit flying monsters with Rush very effective regardless, and Roaring flying monsters all the time is just a waste of pots (unless you have a healer of course). Also, you won't be maxing Rush any time soon so it wouldn't be useless to have max Spear Fury.

Lynel · (This post was last modified: 2008-12-09, 10:40 PM by Lynel.)

Spear Fury is garbage, the calculations for it are so ugly to look at it's cringe-worthy. If I really need to use Fury to hit flying monsters, I may as well switch to my PA. The likelihood of me maxing Spear Fury is 1%. I mean come on, hitting 2 enemies with Spear Crusher is better than hitting 5 with Fury, that's not good.

Max Rush is also sexy as hell, and I'm planning on getting it to level 28 by level 160 at the latest, 152 at the earliest. It depends how much I want Beholder's Healing. The range is just about the same as Fury.

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