2011-04-07, 10:55 AM
Not the end of the world, but a stalemate perhaps for our government!
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Had a meeting, prioritized and identitified differences, still not done but a step in the very least!
Washington (CNN) -- Spurred by a hastily arranged evening meeting between President Barack Obama and the top two congressional leaders, negotiators worked into Thursday to try to resolve remaining differences in a possible budget deal that would avert a government shutdown.
If there is no deal by midnight Friday, when the current spending authorization measure expires, parts of the government will close down.
Obama told reporters that the 90-minute meeting he held Wednesday night with House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, was "constructive," adding it narrowed and clarified the outstanding issues. He provided no specifics, and said staff members would continue working through the night on the details.
"I remain confident that if we're serious about getting something done, we should be able to complete a deal and get it passed and avert a shutdown," Obama said. "But it's going to require a sufficient sense of urgency from all parties involved" to prevent a shutdown that "could have real effects on everyday Americans."
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Budget crisis: Crunching the numbers Both Reid and Boehner told reporters in their own brief comments that the meeting made progress in narrowing their differences, and they would assess on Thursday morning how much their staffs could accomplish overnight toward further consensus.
"I have confidence we can get this done," said Reid, who had sharply criticized Boehner and Republicans earlier in the day for what he called intransigence. "We're not there yet."
Boehner, standing next to Reid, said "we do have some honest differences." He emphasized there was no agreement on either a final figure for spending cuts for the rest of the current fiscal year or on policy issues that the Republicans want included in the measure, such as specifically prohibiting funding for abortions.
"No one wants the government to shut down," Boehner said.
Government shutdown: How it came to this
Obama called the meeting because of a lack of progress in negotiations during the day, White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters.
A White House source familiar with the situation, speaking on condition of not being identified, told CNN that "there was almost no progress made today" in the talks involving Democratic and Republican leadership staff members.
Boehner announced earlier that the House of Representatives will try to buy more time for negotiators by voting Thursday on a one-week government funding bill that would cut spending by $12 billion and fund the Pentagon for the remainder of the current fiscal year.
He proposed the one-week extension after meeting with his Republican House colleagues. Reporters outside heard applause from within the room at one point. Republican sources told CNN the applause was for Boehner when he choked up while thanking his colleagues for their support on the issue.
GOP leaders said they were prepared to pass the bill on a strict party-line vote if necessary. Democrats, insistent that they already met the Republicans more than halfway in negotiations, oppose such a measure, and it was considered unlikely to clear the Democratic-controlled Senate.
In two speeches on the Senate floor during the day, Reid accused GOP leaders of being unwilling to compromise because of pressure from the conservative Tea Party movement to cut deeper and include provisions on political issues.
"We meet them halfway, they say no. We meet them all the way, they say no," Reid said, calling the latest proposed extension from the House a "diversion" from making "tough choices" to settle the matter.
"The Republican leadership has the Tea Party screaming so loudly in its right ear that it can't hear what the vast majority of the country demands," Reid said.
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Obama, on the road in Pennsylvania, declared Wednesday that he didn't "want to see Washington politics stand in the way of America's progress."
"At a time when you are struggling to pay your bills and meet your responsibilities, the least we can do (is) meet our responsibilities to produce a budget," he said. "That's not too much to ask for."
Government shutdown: White House details consequences
Obama also blamed the GOP for using the budget crisis to push provisions relating to hot-button issues such as abortion, health care and the environment. Debates over those issues were holding back the talks, he said.
Boehner has insisted his caucus will not back down on those issues.
Negotiators were looking at a package of spending cuts for the rest of the fiscal year in the range of $33 billion to $40 billion below current levels, according to a Democratic congressional source. The fiscal year ends September 30.
The Republican-led House has passed a bill that included $61 billion in cuts from current spending levels, but it was rejected by the Senate. Two previous extensions of the government spending resolution have included $10 billion in cuts.
In response to the looming budget deadline, the U.S. Office of Personnel Management posted information on its website Tuesday about how a shutdown would affect federal employees. The posting said that most federal workers paid with funds appropriated by Congress would go on temporary furlough in the event of a shutdown.
It would be up to Congress to decide if furloughed workers get paid for the time missed when the shutdown ends, the posting said. Health benefits continue if the shutdown lasts for less than a year, it said.
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If there is a shutdown, an estimated 800,000 government workers will likely be asked to stay home, according to senior administration officials. Among other things, the IRS will stop processing paper tax returns, the Small Business Administration will stop making loans and federal home loan guarantees will be put on hold.
U.S. troops would be paid through Friday, but after that, paychecks to members of the military, including those in war zones, would stop. The National Institutes of Health would stop accepting new patients and would put clinical trials on hold.
A Justice Department spokesperson said on condition of not being identified that "critical national security, law enforcement and prison operations" would continue in the event of a shutdown.
"All FBI personnel in the field will continue to work, and the department will be ready to respond to any and all contingencies that might arise during this time," the Justice spokesperson said. However, some functions including civil litigation, outreach to crime victims and grant processing would be stopped or curtailed, the spokesperson said.
Congressional veterans from both sides of the aisle indicated a strong desire to avoid a shutdown.
"My concern with a shutdown is, what is our long-term goal? What are we trying to achieve?" asked Rep. Mike Simpson, R-Idaho, a senior member of the House Appropriations Committee. "If it is repeal Obamacare (the health care reform law enacted last year), do we think in two weeks or a month Obama's going to go, 'You guys were right,' and sign onto it? I don't think so. So you better look at what your goals are and what you're willing to accept, or don't do it."
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Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Maryland, said a shutdown would mean "enormous negative consequences, and I think we're going to rue the day the way we're functioning here. We need to come to the table and ... act like rational human beings."
Republicans, under pressure from the conservative Tea Party movement to make deep cuts that would reduce the size of government, blame Democrats for failing to pass a fiscal year 2011 budget last year when they controlled both congressional chambers.
They also say that Obama and his party are ignoring the peril of the rising federal deficits and national debt.
Democrats contend that the $61 billion in spending cuts in the House bill would harm the economic recovery and slash education and innovation programs essential for continued growth.
Obama and Reid both insist that Democrats have agreed to more than 50% of the spending cuts sought by Republicans, which they said should be sufficient for a compromise on an issue that has little overall effect on the deficit and debt issues.
The budget brinkmanship shows the political stakes of the situation, with both parties trying to depict the other as unwilling to do what's right for the country.
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Boehner has cast aside assertions by Democrats that they had agreed to more than half the cuts sought by the GOP, saying the Democrats used "smoke and mirrors to get there."
A senior Democratic source with knowledge of the ongoing negotiations said the biggest obstacle to a deal involves whether reductions in mandatory spending programs, known in appropriations parlance as "changes in mandatory spending" or CHIMPS, should be part of spending cuts.
Examples of mandatory spending programs include Pell Grants, the Children's Health Insurance Program and some types of highway funding. Such programs are funded for multiple years at a time, with the spending set for the time period covered, exempt from congressional authorization each year.
Democratic sources have said they want about half the overall cuts in this spending bill to come from mandatory spending programs, and they have proposed the necessary reductions in programs at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the Justice Department and the Treasury Department, and in Pell Grants.
Republicans, who want any spending cuts to reflect a reduction in the size of government, note that reducing the spending in a mandatory program for one year doesn't prevent the amount from returning to its original level the following year.
CNN's Dana Bash, Deirdre Walsh, Ted Barrett, Kate Bolduan, Terry Frieden and Dan Lothian contributed to this report.
If there is no deal by midnight Friday, when the current spending authorization measure expires, parts of the government will close down.
Obama told reporters that the 90-minute meeting he held Wednesday night with House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, was "constructive," adding it narrowed and clarified the outstanding issues. He provided no specifics, and said staff members would continue working through the night on the details.
"I remain confident that if we're serious about getting something done, we should be able to complete a deal and get it passed and avert a shutdown," Obama said. "But it's going to require a sufficient sense of urgency from all parties involved" to prevent a shutdown that "could have real effects on everyday Americans."
Time: Are we headed for a shutdown?
What happens if government shuts down?
No deal yet in emergency budget talks
Some Tea Party activists urge shutdown
Budget crisis: Crunching the numbers Both Reid and Boehner told reporters in their own brief comments that the meeting made progress in narrowing their differences, and they would assess on Thursday morning how much their staffs could accomplish overnight toward further consensus.
"I have confidence we can get this done," said Reid, who had sharply criticized Boehner and Republicans earlier in the day for what he called intransigence. "We're not there yet."
Boehner, standing next to Reid, said "we do have some honest differences." He emphasized there was no agreement on either a final figure for spending cuts for the rest of the current fiscal year or on policy issues that the Republicans want included in the measure, such as specifically prohibiting funding for abortions.
"No one wants the government to shut down," Boehner said.
Government shutdown: How it came to this
Obama called the meeting because of a lack of progress in negotiations during the day, White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters.
A White House source familiar with the situation, speaking on condition of not being identified, told CNN that "there was almost no progress made today" in the talks involving Democratic and Republican leadership staff members.
Boehner announced earlier that the House of Representatives will try to buy more time for negotiators by voting Thursday on a one-week government funding bill that would cut spending by $12 billion and fund the Pentagon for the remainder of the current fiscal year.
He proposed the one-week extension after meeting with his Republican House colleagues. Reporters outside heard applause from within the room at one point. Republican sources told CNN the applause was for Boehner when he choked up while thanking his colleagues for their support on the issue.
GOP leaders said they were prepared to pass the bill on a strict party-line vote if necessary. Democrats, insistent that they already met the Republicans more than halfway in negotiations, oppose such a measure, and it was considered unlikely to clear the Democratic-controlled Senate.
In two speeches on the Senate floor during the day, Reid accused GOP leaders of being unwilling to compromise because of pressure from the conservative Tea Party movement to cut deeper and include provisions on political issues.
"We meet them halfway, they say no. We meet them all the way, they say no," Reid said, calling the latest proposed extension from the House a "diversion" from making "tough choices" to settle the matter.
"The Republican leadership has the Tea Party screaming so loudly in its right ear that it can't hear what the vast majority of the country demands," Reid said.
Political Ticker: Nation split on shutdown blame game
Government shutdown pressure
1995: Threat of government shutdown
Lawmakers lock horns over budget
Obama: Must make sure we pay our bills RELATED TOPICS
Barack Obama
John Boehner
Harry Reid
Obama, on the road in Pennsylvania, declared Wednesday that he didn't "want to see Washington politics stand in the way of America's progress."
"At a time when you are struggling to pay your bills and meet your responsibilities, the least we can do (is) meet our responsibilities to produce a budget," he said. "That's not too much to ask for."
Government shutdown: White House details consequences
Obama also blamed the GOP for using the budget crisis to push provisions relating to hot-button issues such as abortion, health care and the environment. Debates over those issues were holding back the talks, he said.
Boehner has insisted his caucus will not back down on those issues.
Negotiators were looking at a package of spending cuts for the rest of the fiscal year in the range of $33 billion to $40 billion below current levels, according to a Democratic congressional source. The fiscal year ends September 30.
The Republican-led House has passed a bill that included $61 billion in cuts from current spending levels, but it was rejected by the Senate. Two previous extensions of the government spending resolution have included $10 billion in cuts.
In response to the looming budget deadline, the U.S. Office of Personnel Management posted information on its website Tuesday about how a shutdown would affect federal employees. The posting said that most federal workers paid with funds appropriated by Congress would go on temporary furlough in the event of a shutdown.
It would be up to Congress to decide if furloughed workers get paid for the time missed when the shutdown ends, the posting said. Health benefits continue if the shutdown lasts for less than a year, it said.
iReport: Looming government shutdown
If there is a shutdown, an estimated 800,000 government workers will likely be asked to stay home, according to senior administration officials. Among other things, the IRS will stop processing paper tax returns, the Small Business Administration will stop making loans and federal home loan guarantees will be put on hold.
U.S. troops would be paid through Friday, but after that, paychecks to members of the military, including those in war zones, would stop. The National Institutes of Health would stop accepting new patients and would put clinical trials on hold.
A Justice Department spokesperson said on condition of not being identified that "critical national security, law enforcement and prison operations" would continue in the event of a shutdown.
"All FBI personnel in the field will continue to work, and the department will be ready to respond to any and all contingencies that might arise during this time," the Justice spokesperson said. However, some functions including civil litigation, outreach to crime victims and grant processing would be stopped or curtailed, the spokesperson said.
Congressional veterans from both sides of the aisle indicated a strong desire to avoid a shutdown.
"My concern with a shutdown is, what is our long-term goal? What are we trying to achieve?" asked Rep. Mike Simpson, R-Idaho, a senior member of the House Appropriations Committee. "If it is repeal Obamacare (the health care reform law enacted last year), do we think in two weeks or a month Obama's going to go, 'You guys were right,' and sign onto it? I don't think so. So you better look at what your goals are and what you're willing to accept, or don't do it."
Opinion: Paul Ryan, the Kevorkian of Medicare
Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Maryland, said a shutdown would mean "enormous negative consequences, and I think we're going to rue the day the way we're functioning here. We need to come to the table and ... act like rational human beings."
Republicans, under pressure from the conservative Tea Party movement to make deep cuts that would reduce the size of government, blame Democrats for failing to pass a fiscal year 2011 budget last year when they controlled both congressional chambers.
They also say that Obama and his party are ignoring the peril of the rising federal deficits and national debt.
Democrats contend that the $61 billion in spending cuts in the House bill would harm the economic recovery and slash education and innovation programs essential for continued growth.
Obama and Reid both insist that Democrats have agreed to more than 50% of the spending cuts sought by Republicans, which they said should be sufficient for a compromise on an issue that has little overall effect on the deficit and debt issues.
The budget brinkmanship shows the political stakes of the situation, with both parties trying to depict the other as unwilling to do what's right for the country.
Borger: Grow up already
Boehner has cast aside assertions by Democrats that they had agreed to more than half the cuts sought by the GOP, saying the Democrats used "smoke and mirrors to get there."
A senior Democratic source with knowledge of the ongoing negotiations said the biggest obstacle to a deal involves whether reductions in mandatory spending programs, known in appropriations parlance as "changes in mandatory spending" or CHIMPS, should be part of spending cuts.
Examples of mandatory spending programs include Pell Grants, the Children's Health Insurance Program and some types of highway funding. Such programs are funded for multiple years at a time, with the spending set for the time period covered, exempt from congressional authorization each year.
Democratic sources have said they want about half the overall cuts in this spending bill to come from mandatory spending programs, and they have proposed the necessary reductions in programs at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the Justice Department and the Treasury Department, and in Pell Grants.
Republicans, who want any spending cuts to reflect a reduction in the size of government, note that reducing the spending in a mandatory program for one year doesn't prevent the amount from returning to its original level the following year.
CNN's Dana Bash, Deirdre Walsh, Ted Barrett, Kate Bolduan, Terry Frieden and Dan Lothian contributed to this report.