Ground Zero Mosque

please enlighten me.

"That's just how life goes", never won a debate or arguments of importance.

whether or not you think its right, which it isnt in a moral and 'fair' standpoint ill concede, thats the way of the world: the many must suffer the effects and evils of the few. WWII was sparked from an economic crisis. Hitler rallied the people and attempted to exterminate the german jewish population as a whole because a few were able to stay wealthy after WWI.

So we should follow his steps, huh?

what you're not getting is cause and effect. something happens, and a result is sparked.

Yes, but the attacks (cause) are having the wrong effect in this debate. The proper effect is what is occurring now, we are hunting down the radicals and forming alliances with other countries to keep those people from calling any place their home or safe-haven. This is a matter of people who did nothing wrong, wanting to legally build a place of worship in their own country (or does it seem odd that this is their home too?). It's childish and silly to tell the Millions of Muslim Americans "no, you cannot build your mosque here because the Taliban bombed your beloved World Trade Center".

you say im comparing apples to oranges yet im telling you that if something bad happens to one, it affects the whole. cancer in a part of your body? hi chemo, which from what ive heard is a nightmare on your system.

Again, I don't think you are selecting proper analogies. The make up of a human body does a poor job at best, to describe the true topic. This form of debate is capable of shooting down all arguments in any period, on and platform; it doesn't work.

see above about cause and effect.

Done and done.

but you're saying that anyone is capable of evil no matter what. you're right insofar that yes people can committ crime(s), but youre generalizing all crimes that occur by saying that anyone is capable of evil -> anyone can hijack a plane and crash it into the side of a building. now that is comparing apples to oranges.

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You mean to say that radicals cannot organize in another part of our country? They can only do so in the Tri-state area? What I was saying was simply that if we fear that people would plot attacks in this proposed location, we must then fear the possibility of this occurring in the many other locations. The resistance to this proposal is not truly concerned with this matter, but cleverly uses it as scare tactics (Similar to those who defend the recent changes in Arizona's tactics to combat illegal immigration. Those who live far from this place rely on what they hear and see on TV to judge, and they can easily be swayed with exaggerated, and unrealistic ideologies).

and yeah youre right, mosques are kept under scrutiny because the events that occured made the world more aware of islam, and media always leaps to the negative sides of anything like a homeless man to a sandwich. this is the unfortunate implications of the incident: islam is treated as a terrorist religion as a whole because of a few extremists. personally, i don't agree with the negative air that the belief is getting/has gotten, but its the way of the world.

Understandable at a personal level. It takes time for any society to become used to people those who they consider different. Yet this should not be how our government thinks and decides. Our government is (or should be) of our highest level of intellect, and they should be able to consider the true dangers of such a proposal, and ignore the touchy-feeling aspect, because after all, Americans adapt over time, and what we now presume as impossible, or down right wrong by our personal standards changes over time (same way Brown VS Education affected desegregation in public schools).

firstly, don't make an assumption of anyone, it makes an ass of you and me. in that bolded scenario, ill give you two examples that i think make the most sense: personally, id forgive you because you cant control what your cousin does, so you'd still be allowed, but id tell your cousin to get the hell out; reasonably: id demand you make your cousin apologize, but i wouldn't tell you you weren't allowed over because of the aforementioned. you cannot control what a person does to that extent to prevent evil. but again, you miss the severity: a punch to a sibling is excuseable and forgiveable on your end, but it does shed some questioning on your families methods of raising children that one would suddenly lash out at someone for no given reason as per your example. punching a relative =/= destroying two(+) buildings, damaging another, and killing hundreds of innocent civilians.

How my parents might have raised me =/= how my aunt and uncle raised my cousin. Why should I have to apologize for him, or his parents wrong teachings?

Back on topic: No, a punch does not replicate the killing of innocent lives, but when you scope out, you realize the size of the people we are talking about, you can see how the death of thousands is small compared to the hundreds of millions in the US, and the hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world. This is not to say, the people who died were lives were are willing to salvage at ease; but death is a dark and sad reality of this cruel world, and these people happened to be victim to Evil's work. What do the millions of Muslims in the US have to do with the radical's actions? They are not responsible for those people's choices. If Small-town Jack could not predict and defend against the 9/11 attacks, why should ordinary NY resident Sameer have to stand any scrutiny? As mentioned before, it's a social resistance to change, something American has adapted to, and will; it takes the leadership of an unbiased government to lead us into this direction.

the connection between the plotters and the ones seeking to build a mosque is the very essence of that mosque: islam. that is the sole binding fact, that the extremist cell will claim themselves to be islamic and declare their attack a jihad on america. nothing more, nothing less.

When Eric Robert Rudolph decided to bomb areas in several US cities, were churches no longer built in those areas? (Refer back to my point about social changes above, and my examples about Japanese Americans below).

and have you even ever been inside of a church/synagouge(sp)/mosque? how can you be 100% positive that there will be security cameras inside? the practitioners would see that as an invasion of privacy.

Again......with this fearful mindset all religious premises would have to be feared.

its undermining in that its basically telling everyone who knows of it that "yes, we know hundreds died from an extremist group of muslims, but we want to build a mosque near where the attack occured." i can understand the logic behind the location: it'd be in sight a lot more and draw potential converts more readily than if it were elsewhere, but public outcry is evidence enough of how little this is seen as a respect to those that died. its like if i were to go to a funeral of a friend's relative, and try to hook up with one of the hot females that worked at the funeral home. theres just a code of unwritten ethics that you abide, and you respect the dead, which is a tradition that can be traced back for centuries.

and for your last paragraph, once again: see above for cause and effect.

There is no disrespect by building a Mosque near ground zero. I think I finally figured out why most people think that it is. It is because they simply have not yet accepted that the US is home to these Muslims. The Muslims are still being associated with the Middle East and other parts of the world, when many of them were born and raised here, and have no ties with the outside world. This reminds me of when the Japanese Americans where bunched up into camps here in the US after the bombings of Pear Harbor. Many of these people loved this country, and would die for it, but the incorrect perception that these Japanese Americans were connected with the bombers shadowed the truth. Yes the Muslims here share the same religion with the hijackers, and the Japanese Americans rounded up in camps where Japanese like the bombers....but they are not the same people; they shouldn't have to bare and consequences the same way blue-eyed, blond-haired citizens don't.

America must realize (over time), that this is the home to Muslim Americans, and that they also cried on the day of the attacks, that Muslim lives were lost in those buildings on that day, and prayers were made for all those who died.