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SaptaZapta Wrote:My son watched the movie last night with a bunch of classmates. He loved it. He told me I must watch it.

For reference, he's 15 years old and has never seen any of the previous 6. He wanted to watch at least the original trilogy before going to see 7, but just could not get through the first ten minutes of Episode 4. "Bad fight scene effects, boring robots walking in the desert, C3PO is annoying." (Yes, I know, I fail as a parent.)

His classmates, who did see at least some of the previous 6, loved 7 as well.

Eliseo Wrote:

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It wasn't Coruscant. In the new books it's explained the Republic will be built a new in the home planet of the Chancellor Mon-Mothma. The main reason the Republic is simply a supporter of the resistance and not the major Rebellion in the movie is because the Senate promise a relative fighting free goverment, distancing themselves from the conflict.

I also believe Ren is Luke's daughter, although I do not think HE knew or knows he has a daughter. There are definitely some strong Jacen/Jaina vibes with Ben/Rey although I briefly wondered if Rey was Ben's daughter before he was unmasked and his age became apparent.

I completly disagree with your thoughts on the lightsaber duel. The fact that Kylo is still training made it all the most amazing for me. His style and how he first begins destroying Finn felt very powerful on screen. And how Rey just feels the force and then BOOM with the power was amazing.

I also think Episode 8 will likely prove to be a stronger film.

VerrKol Wrote:

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Huh. I guess I'll have to read the books afterall. I originally didn't want to spoil/prejudice myself with the new movie. I'm still not sure what level of cannon new EU material will have. I'm going to be very annoyed if they constantly retcon it after I read. It seems incredibly naive to believe they can just create a war free Republic without defeating the Empire remnants.

Good point about Rey, but it doesn't quite fit. Rey explicitly talks about the water world and island. She's been there before as a child. It also appeared to me that Luke recognizes her. How and why Ren is left on Jakuu is certainly intriguing.

My friends disagreed about the duel as well so I'll have to concede the point as personal opinion. It's not that I disliked it per se, but I think it could have been more spectacular.

I just did some poking around /r/starwars and there are some interesting theories about Snokes being Darth Plagues. I don't buy it. I didn't even think he looked human, but I suppose Palpatine didn't really either in ESB. JJ went really out of his way to distance FA material from the PT and OT worlds and characters, excepting the big 3 obviously. I do think there's something fishy (pun intended) about him. I wonder if he's even actually a Sith or dark side user at all. They explicitly don't use Darth titles. Yes Snokes says Ben needs to complete his training, but I don't think he explicitly said he would do the teaching. Even if he did, I wonder if he could be crippled somehow and unable to use his powers but still able to teach.

Eliseo Wrote:

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Disney just wanted to give free reign to the filmmakers by rectonning it. The new ones go quite a bit into detail for the path set by TFA.

About Snoke, my personal theory is that he is an original Sith, from the Sith species that the fallen Jedi took over millenia ago. Could certainly make it all the more interesting. Darth Plageuis wasn't human at all as well. He was of the Banking Clan species.

VerrKol Wrote:

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I understand why they did it. I even agree with it. The EU had way too much baggage and poor writing. It would have been a serious handicap to any director, although I maintain there's a mountain of money in a X-wing novel/comic based TV series.

That occurred to me as well, but he certainly doesn't resemble the red/black skinned depiction we have from the EU. He's notably missing the weird chin stuff. He actually does resemble the Muun a bit imo, but I really can't see them keeping something so specific from the EU. I wasn't actually complaining that a Sith was alien (can't forget Darth (?) Maul), but that an alien would be leading an exclusively human male navy of Empire soldiers. The PT clones and OT army always had a Nazi feel to them and that was part of why they appeared so evil. Putting an alien, even a possibly force sensitive one, at the top of the pyramid is a little puzzling. Maybe Finn (black) and Captin Phasma (woman) are meant to show the First Order is much more egalitarian? There was also an offhand comment about clones that I didn't quite catch.

PS: Giant plot hole. If the starkiller fired the first shots to destroy the new Republic, how did it have a spare sun for a second shot? Is this a mobile planet weapon?

Quote:Star Wars: The Force Awakens blasts off with a record $120.5 million

Playing in 4,134 theaters domestically, Star Wars: The Force Awakens has posted an estimated $120.5 million its first day, including $57 million in Thursday evening previews, making it the highest single day on record and the first film to break the $100 million mark in a single day. Walt Disney Pictures is forecasting an opening weekend near $220 million.

MuscleWizard Wrote:someone spoiled it in a smega on reboot :c

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I would be disappointed if Snoke doesn't turn out to be Darth Plagueis and is just some weird alien sith that came from nowhere. I feel like there's too many clues, like what Darth Sidious tells Anakin in Revenge of the Sith:

[video=youtube;05dT34hGRdg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05dT34hGRdg[/video]

"Then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself."
Maybe he did save himself but was too weak to revenge his apprentice (that or he aknowledged Sidious deserved to be the master now that he had been "defeated"). Instead he hid his presence in the force from Sidious and went into hiding until the collapse of the empire that he perhaps was able to foresee. Notice the huge scar in Snokes face and deformed other half:

Some would argue that he lacks the features of the alien race Plagueis was (Muun), but isn't that non-canon anyway?

But wait there's more. Apparently the soundtrack of the palpatine & anakin scene is a replica of Snokes theme in TFA.

KhainiWest Wrote:and the lightsaber fights were beyond poorly choreographed, it was painful to watch

KhainiWest Wrote:Movie worth seeing in theaters, but opening night? Absolutely not worth the trouble imo. I share similar complaints, hated the villain, and the lightsaber fights were beyond poorly choreographed, it was painful to watch

Satellite Wrote:TBH memories grow sweeter with time. I watched the originals first time in many years and well... The lightsaber fights are kind of anticlimactic by todays standards and the dialogue is cringeworthy at times. Just look at this:

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Satellite Wrote:TBH memories grow sweeter with time. I watched the originals first time in many years and well... The lightsaber fights are kind of anticlimactic by todays standards and the dialogue is cringeworthy at times. Just look at this:

Eliseo Wrote:Agreed. I liked the fight because it shows that Kylo Ren is still as brutal with a major wound and has much to train, and that Rey is untrained as well. Made for some different kind of lightsaber duel, which I enjoyed.


@Khaini, This movie, while loved by many, certainly has split people over the villain. I think that many expected him to be another Vader, while Kylo is both young and unexperienced (Much like Anakin in Episode 2 and 3). Can't wait to see the character grow for Episode 8.

KhainiWest Wrote:Look at the swipes, they are quick, they are angled, they are weightless. The saber fights in the movie were heavy cleaves, as if they were wielding great swords. So no, you're just not looking at the right things.



This really wasn't a training issue, and he pretty much completed his training, save for the 'final step' so this whole concept of "THEY WERENT TRAINED" doesn't justify the fact they made light sabers act like they are 100+ lb's. The villain was whiney and unlikable just like anakin and luke were, but had no intimidating quality what so ever with no justification of his suit to begin with. He literally had no similar qualities to either family either, the guy genuinely looks like he belongs in twlight.

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Also Chewi's rage was f`ucking pathetic. The guy should have gone rabid bigfoot, and all we got is a longer yell than what were used too. He should have died as well, I have no idea what the hell they were thinking. Lastly fu`cking RD2, that scene was the biggest asspull that it made Bleach blush