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A basic Engineering Physics (vectors/forces) problem - Declaimed - 2014-02-16 Woo, alright. So, I'll throw this out there right off the bat: I'm taking a college level Physics course, but I've had no experience with anything Physics prior. So forgive me if I seem like I don't know what I'm doing (because I probably don't). I have a lab that I'm working on involving forces, and using vectors to graphically depict/analytically calculate said forces. Here is my dilemma: Given two forces, F1 and F2: F1 = Force: 2.452 N Mass: .25 kg Direction: 30 degrees F2 = Force: 3.433 N Mass: .35 kg Direction: 130 degrees [As cos 130 yields a negative value, I added 90 to it to get my angle measure back into Q1 for a positive value and used that for my calculations] , I am to find the resultant |R| (its magnitude and direction). Using the head-to-tail method of moving vectors, I moved F2 on the graph without rotating it to the tail of F1, and constructed |R| by drawing a straight line from the tail of F2 to the head of F1. This forms a triangle (not a right triangle, just a triangle). The first part of this exercise asks me to graphically depict and measure the resultant force. Measuring things out with a ruler and protractor, I come to the result: |R|: Force(N) = 3.813 N Direction: 93.5 degrees. The next step is to calculate the resultant analytically. The formula below is given to accomplish this: Rx = ([F1]x+[F2]x) = [F1]cos(angle[F1]) + [F2]cos(angle[F2]) Ry = ([F1]y+[F2]y) = [F1]sin(angle[F1]) + [F2]sin(angle[F2]) |R| = sqrt([Rx]^2+[Ry]^2) Plugging in my values I get: Rx = ([F1]x+[F2]x) = [2.452]cos(30) + [3.433]cos(40) Ry = ([F1]y+[F2]y) = [2.452]sin(30) + [3.433]sin(40) Rx = 4.7533 Ry = 3.4327 Rx^2 = 22.594 Ry^2 = 11.783 |R| = sqrt([Rx]^2+[Ry]^2) |R| = sqrt(22.594+11.783) |R| = sqrt(34.377) |R| = 5.8632 So, analytically: |R|: Force(N) = 5.863 N Direction: 72.2 degrees. Mass: 0.60 kg My analytical and graphical results are extremely different. I can't figure out where I'm going wrong. A basic Engineering Physics (vectors/forces) problem - VerrKol - 2014-02-16 Declaimed Wrote:Woo, alright. So, I'll throw this out there right off the bat: I'm taking a college level Physics course, but I've had no experience with anything Physics prior. So forgive me if I seem like I don't know what I'm doing (because I probably don't). I have a lab that I'm working on involving forces, and using vectors to graphically depict/analytically calculate said forces. Here is my dilemma: The bolded part is likely your problem. I'm not sure what the "head to tail" method is, but if one method of rearranging triangles is a right triangle (you use Pythagorean theorem) and one isn't, they aren't the same triangles and you will get different magnitudes and directions. A basic Engineering Physics (vectors/forces) problem - Marksman Bryan - 2014-02-17 On my phone and I briefly skimmed the problem - with vectors, split them into horizontal and vertical components and add those individually to get the horizontal/vertical components of your resultant. Use trig and Pythag theorem to find the magnitude and angle of your resultant. I am reading something about adding 90 to an angle - BAD. DONT DO THIS. If you get a negative that's a-ok. Vectors are a magnitude and direction (think of despicable me); sign typically indicates direction. A basic Engineering Physics (vectors/forces) problem - Dudewitbow - 2014-02-17 i'm assuming it looks similar to: f1=2.452N m1 = .25kg theta1 = 30 deg(from the 0) f2= 3.433N m2= .25kg theta 2 = 50 deg(reversed from the 180) X component minus as the 2 forces are working against each other in the x direction I think)f1cos(30)-f2cos(50)= resultant force in x direction 2.123-2.206= 0.083 Y component + since they are working in the same y direction)f1sin(30)+f2sin(50) = resultant force in y direction 1.226+2.630=3.856 so the final vector has an x component of 0.083, and a y component of 3.856 use Pythagorean theorem to find F of the hypotenuse(the actual resultant force amount) making a triangle, that would be quadrant 1 where tan(thetaresultant) = 3.856/.083 or theta® ~= 88.77 degrees finding |r| should be easy point on didn't do any numberchecking(in bed atm in the dark), but that's how I would have approached the problem |