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Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - Sn1perJohnE - 2008-07-07

Not quite a guide but rather an outline but still. This shows the easiest (in my mind) way to be dexless and still able to equip the current LVL knuckle and so forth.


 LVL 20


 LVL 25


 LVL 30


 LVL 35 + 40


 LVL 50-60


 LVL 70+

 Maker Addition


Maple Knuckle Build
I'll skip the spoilers, this is pretty straight forward enough.

LVL 10-60+
Up until LVL 20, you will be able to move along to the current LVL Knuckle, as well as overall and any other job specific equips. Once past LVL 20 though, you cannot equip any higher equips, unless you scroll your overall with Dex. To last until the first maple knuckle at LVL 35, 100%ing the LVL 20 overall, or even a bathrobe will be enough to equip the LVL 30 knuckle. One major benefit to using maple knuckles is the fact that being dexless, you may have some minor issues with ACC. Similar to dexless warriors, the lack of Dex becomes a small problem in higher LVLs when trying to hit stronger monsters. The maple knuckles give a 10 ACC boost for each LVL of knuckle. This build should still need the Dex equips to be able to equip at least the LVL 60 overall. But because you are able to get an ACC boost from the maple knuckles, you scroll the overall for Str, giving yet another major increase to attack. Another good thing about this build, is that it is very easy to switch back to the normal dexless build, just by simply scrolling another overall for Dex and using the highest LVL knuckle you are able to equip.


Edit: I am now assuming this guide/outline as final, but if there is some update down the road that requires a fine tuning of this, then I'll tackle it when it comes.


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - EndlessAxis - 2008-07-17

I liked this other then the fact you didn't just list at the end the required equips, I already have all I need to wear the lvl 120 knuckle but i totaly forgot I could scroll a pirate overall instead of my sauna


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - Eneko - 2008-07-17

How expensive do you think dexless will be? I dont think im gunna go dexless anyways cuz i wanna look like pirate


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - Sn1perJohnE - 2008-07-17

It would be either just as, or slightly less expensive than a dexless warrior, seeing as 1. dex to wear equips is equal to lvl, and 2. theres 20 dex already from the required advancement.

to EndlessAxis: You have 100 total dex from cape, earrings, shoes, and sauna + zhelm? @_@ thatd be like a 15 dex earrings, 15 dex cape, 15 dex shoes, and a 40 dex sauna @_@...unless you somehow planned to get a HT pendant tho.


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - EndlessAxis - 2008-07-17

Well Lets put it this way at 120 i'll be wearing a 10str 4 atk pac and not a dex one *wink*


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - Sn1perJohnE - 2008-07-17

Dex much @-@


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - EndlessAxis - 2008-07-30

this is REALLY odd, this thread should have been stickied by now, it shows a simple , avg funded way to be dexless and these equips are on the low end of things
not to mention nearley no replies


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - Sn1perJohnE - 2008-07-30

EndlessAxis Wrote:this is REALLY odd, this thread should have been stickied by now, it shows a simple , avg funded way to be dexless and these equips are on the low end of things
not to mention nearley no replies

whats really funny, is that i had over 500 views on the thread even before there was a single reply, but yea, its so simple and straight forward it should be stickied Angry


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - Russt - 2008-07-30

I really don't understand these forced dexless builds.

I mean, say you have enough dex to equip your level 60 overall, and you make it 20 dex so you can use a level 80 knuckle..
Couldn't you just add 20 points to dex, grab a level 80 overall (which comes with more str), and make it 20+ str? It'd achieve the same result, and be cheaper too.


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - Sn1perJohnE - 2008-07-30

Russt Wrote:I really don't understand these forced dexless builds.

I mean, say you have enough dex to equip your level 60 overall, and you make it 20 dex so you can use a level 80 knuckle..
Couldn't you just add 20 points to dex, grab a level 80 overall (which comes with more str), and make it 20+ str? It'd achieve the same result, and be cheaper too.

with all the equips you have outside the job scrolled, you can be anywhere from the lvl 50 overall all the way to the 70 overall even. You arnt forced, but using the job overall and staying dexless is a good boost. By adding 20 dex, and getting the 80 overall, you now have 20 less str, and therefore need to scroll for 20 dex, which will cost more once pirates come out because people will have a good reason to scroll for str using a normal/low dex build. But theres a another point to scroll for dex, you need the ACC, pirates are kinda like warriors but have the 20 dex to starts, so more ACC is good.


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - Russt - 2008-07-30

Well if you add 20 dex, you get your acc.

And once overall str scrolls become more mainstream, scrolling for str will be a good deal cheaper than scrolling for dex, guaranteed. Cape str is already cheaper (doesn't come with an acc bonus though).

Then again, you're right, you can't apply current logic to pirate equips. When they come out, it'll turn all the relative prices topsy-turvy... I better find myself a good str cape for my sniper soon, until pirates come out and rape their prices.

But I always believe, if getting a certain amount of dex on an equip is harder than getting the same amount of str on it, then just deign to raise your dex. The only thing that has to have dex on it are shoes, earrings, and all-stat equips like zhelm. Cape and overall should go to str if it's cheaper (it is, for now).


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - Sn1perJohnE - 2008-07-30

your points are valid, but the dex on the over could provide better ACC. Lets say we were going to get at least 4 30% scrolls onto an overall, to bring it up to the 20 youd have to add to go to the next highest overall as dexless. If scrolling for dex, you will get another 20 dex (16 acc) and 12 pure acc at a current cost of about 6.5 mil per scroll (1 mil per 10%). Now add that to the clean stats of the lvl 60 overall, which adds 1 Dex and 5 Str. If we added the dex and moved to the lvl 80 overall and scrolled for STR, again assuming we can get 4 30%, you get the 20 Str you used in AP for Dex back, which gets added to the 6 Dex that is already on the overall, pluss there is 2 dex on it as well (about 1.6 acc). But the scrolls are whats difficult, overall Str 30%s still havnt found a level price, and will easily be sold from anywhere from 4 mil, up to the 7 mil i have seen in Bello, and 10% are rare, and could easily go for 6 mil+ because they wont break what is being scrolled. So, with the lvl 60 overall scrolled for dex, you could have 21 Dex and 5 Str along with a total of 28.8 acc from it, while having 20 Str added. With the lvl 80 overall scrolled for Str, you would have a total of 26 Str and 2 dex, with about 17.8 total acc added including the 20 dex added to use the overall.

So depending on what the acc issues are like later on, the dexless scrolling may work out to be better, but it may be a good low dex to go to 40 base dex and wear the lvl 80 overall and scroll for at least 20 dex added, you set yourself up to use a lvl 100 knuckle, which is pretty darn good in terms of what is needed to use it.


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - Shahak - 2008-08-30

300M is enough for me to open a Dexless (Got nothing yet)?


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - NoJobNoRules - 2008-09-07

Shahak, if you plan on going with making a dexless infighter then go ahead and start buying the things that you can now. Earrings are already available as are capes. Put aside the money for a zhelm. You might even look into getting some DEX scrolled Yellow Snowshoes instead of the pirate ones that will come out (they have 3 INT and 3 DEX clean on average, lvl 50 req).

And obviously you can get the attack glove now, depending on what you want to aim for. If you have a higher leveled character, you might try hunting Flamekeeper Cordons and then scrolling one of those for 8-10 attack. One of those and a zhelm + the DEX from your other things should have you set for accuracy.

Sniper, nice guide, although I don't know about "ultimate dexless infighter equips". There are some things, like the YSS and Flamekeepers that could be considered way more. And then you have facestompers and yea. You get the idea. Confused


Very nice guide either way though.


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - Shahak - 2008-09-11

Is there anyway i can be like a semi-dexless? or is it low dex...
I mean if i make a reagular Pirate and in lvl 50 i got a +6 DEX Cape... in the next level can if i raise only STR will i be stronger :f6:? Or does it means that untill lvl 56 (DEX equal level -unsure-) i can raise only STR will it make me stronger o_O? .. i;m confused... :f6: Eek
p.s
Sorry about my English... I;m from somewhere else...


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - alwzn4vr - 2008-09-11

Shahak Wrote:Is there anyway i can be like a semi-dexless? or is it low dex...
I mean if i make a reagular Pirate and in lvl 50 i got a +6 DEX Cape... in the next level can if i raise only STR will i be stronger :f6:? Or does it means that untill lvl 56 (DEX equal level -unsure-) i can raise only STR will it make me stronger o_O? .. i;m confused... :f6: Eek
p.s
Sorry about my English... I;m from somewhere else...


The amount of DEX determines what knuckle you can equip. The knuckles have a requirement of DEX that is equal to that knuckle's level. E.g. a level 40 knuckle requires 40 DEX.
But.. just as thieves need 25 DEX for their first job advancement, pirates need 20 DEX for theirs. Therefore, equipping a level 40 knuckle while staying 'dexless' means that you have to get 20 more DEX from your gear.

This is the same concept as dexless thiefs who wear DEX gear but never raise their base DEX to wear claws or daggers. It's not truly 'dexless' since thieves and pirates cannot reset their DEX to 4.

Then there are also 'maple' knuckles with no DEX requirements. To use those is just like pure luk thieves. You put all you AP into your primary stat. In the infighter's case that would be STR. The highest known maple knuckle is the level 64 one. Keep in mind that there are more options to scroll for DEX than there is for STR.

To the OP:

maybe you can add what equipment options are useful at major levels because people need to keep in mind that at first you don't need a huge DEX boost as infighters start with 20 DEX. So at level 20 no DEX bonuses are required to equip. A more detailed set of equipment options would make this closer to an 'ultimate' guide.

Maybe some common strategies used by other 'dexless' classes such as stacking requirements to get to the final weapon requirement.

e.g. at level 50 we need 50 DEX. We have a +20 DEX level 30 robe that requires 30 DEX. We have base 20 so we need 10 more DEX. 5 DEX earrings and a 5 DEX raggedy cape are equipped to equip the robe which then is used to equip the knuckle.


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - Shahak - 2008-09-13

alwzn4vr Wrote:The amount of DEX determines what knuckle you can equip. The knuckles have a requirement of DEX that is equal to that knuckle's level. E.g. a level 40 knuckle requires 40 DEX.
But.. just as thieves need 25 DEX for their first job advancement, pirates need 20 DEX for theirs. Therefore, equipping a level 40 knuckle while staying 'dexless' means that you have to get 20 more DEX from your gear.

This is the same concept as dexless thiefs who wear DEX gear but never raise their base DEX to wear claws or daggers. It's not truly 'dexless' since thieves and pirates cannot reset their DEX to 4.

Then there are also 'maple' knuckles with no DEX requirements. To use those is just like pure luk thieves. You put all you AP into your primary stat. In the infighter's case that would be STR. The highest known maple knuckle is the level 64 one. Keep in mind that there are more options to scroll for DEX than there is for STR.

To the OP:

maybe you can add what equipment options are useful at major levels because people need to keep in mind that at first you don't need a huge DEX boost as infighters start with 20 DEX. So at level 20 no DEX bonuses are required to equip. A more detailed set of equipment options would make this closer to an 'ultimate' guide.

Maybe some common strategies used by other 'dexless' classes such as stacking requirements to get to the final weapon requirement.

e.g. at level 50 we need 50 DEX. We have a +20 DEX level 30 robe that requires 30 DEX. We have base 20 so we need 10 more DEX. 5 DEX earrings and a 5 DEX raggedy cape are equipped to equip the robe which then is used to equip the knuckle.

Oh wow Ty very very much!

That means that in lvl 110 i need 110 DEX?
Wow that will be hard to get...

oh 1 more question..
what Low dex means?

Edit:
What i'm trying to say is..
If I'm for example lvl 50... and got enough DEX equips (For example 8 DEX Cape&shoes 25 DEX overall) Can i raise to DEX if i dont Got enough DEX equips for next level? Is that low DEX?


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - alwzn4vr - 2008-09-13

Shahak Wrote:Oh wow Ty very very much!

That means that in lvl 110 i need 110 DEX?
Wow that will be hard to get...

oh 1 more question..
what Low dex means?

Edit:
What i'm trying to say is..
If I'm for example lvl 50... and got enough DEX equips (For example 8 DEX Cape&shoes 25 DEX overall) Can i raise to DEX if i dont Got enough DEX equips for next level? Is that low DEX?

Yes low dex would be anytime you need to add to your base dex in order to equip a knuckle. The same principle applies to low str gunslingers. They can wear enough str gear to equip their guns.


Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - Stereo - 2008-09-13

Depending what order things are released, it's also worth considering that the Maker skill can add 1-5 dex clean to any pirate equip. With class overall, shoes, and hat, this can give you from around 5-10 extra dex even under level 50 and without scrolling.

I think you should also mention that the 50 claw only needs 30 equipped dex, your gear adds 40+ meaning it's more than necessary. A Zakum helmet and 100% scrolled overall leave you at 25-27 dex from those two items alone, and you can probably get a shoe for the rest pretty cheaply. Alternately, you could go with 8 dex cape, 14 dex overall, 3 dex shoe, and 3 dex Bamboo hat or similar, if the Zakum Helmet is too costly.



Ultimate Dexless Infighter Equips Guide - Dusk - 2008-09-13

You don't need the accuracy from overall dex. Dexless warriors can get by with top/bottoms and overall STR if they have enough accuracy. Infighters have a good 40 or more accuracy from passive skills; they'll be fine.