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Southperry Omok tournament! - KhainiWest - 2012-03-23
Starts 10pm eastern tonight. Be on southperry.net for the webcam/drawing setup/omok sets
Alright Henesys Game Park, henesys channel 9. The game corner is the right of henesys. Meet ya guys there. depending how many show up at the game corner determines if I even bother with the webcam thing.
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Southperry Omok tournament! - Shidoshi - 2012-03-23
2 things:
-Can't we have one of our knowledgeable programmers on the site make a simple program so the matches don't need to go through MapleStory? Though I guess setting up so the program can actually communicate through the internet would be a bit harder =P
-Wasn't the Omok game mathematically solved for all starting positions? i.e. there's a clearly superior strategy that guarantees winning.
Southperry Omok tournament! - Eos - 2012-03-23
Shidoshi Wrote:2 things:
-Can't we have one of our knowledgeable programmers on the site make a simple program so the matches don't need to go through MapleStory? Though I guess setting up so the program can actually communicate through the internet would be a bit harder =P
It's actually pretty easy to do an ajax one. Except I don't know the rules of Omok, at all.
I barely remember it being a grid of varying sizes and a time limit, which would potentially have to be ignored or at least extended to play via web.
Southperry Omok tournament! - Shidoshi - 2012-03-23
I'm sure [MENTION=4235]KhainiWest[/MENTION]; would be glad to explain the rules if it makes for an easier way for people to participate in this.
I should learn how to type.
Southperry Omok tournament! - donovan - 2012-03-23
Almost makes me want to learn how to play Omok, also expecting people to be mature with Money/NX at stake is crazy.
Southperry Omok tournament! - Eos - 2012-03-23
Also google implies there are multiple online versions of it already out there...
Southperry Omok tournament! - Shidoshi - 2012-03-23
Eos Wrote:Also google implies there are multiple online versions of it already out there...
Seems to be an adaptation of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomoku
But there are different rule-sets, I believe the Maple version starts out with 4 pieces in it already and there's no rules of "three and three" or "four and four".
Southperry Omok tournament! - KhainiWest - 2012-03-23
Shidoshi Wrote:2 things:
-Can't we have one of our knowledgeable programmers on the site make a simple program so the matches don't need to go through MapleStory? Though I guess setting up so the program can actually communicate through the internet would be a bit harder =P
I'd gladly accept that but I'm not sure if maples rules are custom or actually official.
shidoshi Wrote:-Wasn't the Omok game mathematically solved for all starting positions? i.e. there's a clearly superior strategy that guarantees winning.
Checkers was, not Gomoku, which is omok from what I know at least. I've never experienced someone always winnning with the same strat.
Eos Wrote:It's actually pretty easy to do an ajax one. Except I don't know the rules of Omok, at all.
I barely remember it being a grid of varying sizes and a time limit, which would potentially have to be ignored or at least extended to play via web.
It can be any length of board, typically it's 15x15 on maplestory I think. I'd have to see the board but I'm pretty sure it is. From people who play gomoku it's like a 25x25 board I think. The only rule (which I'm not sure is gomoku, or omok specific) is double 3. So you can't make a move that creates two 3's simaltaneously. Such as:
If I put the piece in the middle I automatically win, because you can't block two 3's at once. But it isn't limited too consecutive pieces, so moves like;
Where the x is where you cannot place it. Even though theres a space between them, because it creates two 3's it cannot be placed. If there was a spot to the right of the x you could put it there.
Squares are moves that are prohibitted because of the set up
Also putting more than 5 in a row does not result in a win, so if you put 6 in a row, it doesn't count as a win.![[Image: untitled-1.jpg]](http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn11/1rage1/untitled-1.jpg)
EDIT: Ugh let me draw it on paint or something. Sec
Southperry Omok tournament! - Marksman Bryan - 2012-03-23
Just want to double check, but Nexon fixed Omok banning, right?
Southperry Omok tournament! - KhainiWest - 2012-03-23
Marksman Bryan Wrote:Just want to double check, but Nexon fixed Omok banning, right?
Yes it has been fixed or I'm extremely lucky.
Southperry Omok tournament! - Zelkova - 2012-03-23
Eos Wrote:It's actually pretty easy to do an ajax one. Except I don't know the rules of Omok, at all.
I barely remember it being a grid of varying sizes and a time limit, which would potentially have to be ignored or at least extended to play via web.
No cheating, pimento. We all know how much you need to feed your NX habit. All that......Mabinogi rebirthing....
Southperry Omok tournament! - Untradeable - 2012-03-23
Shouldn't be too hard to do one in-game, considering now you only need 1 of each piece and a board, instead of 100 of each and a board.
Southperry Omok tournament! - Foxino - 2012-03-23
Man I'm so down for this yet lv20 in each world?
I guess i got something to do later lol.An online / out of maplestory version would be easier imo.
someone should make an exact copy in a flash game.
Southperry Omok tournament! - KhainiWest - 2012-03-23
Durex Wrote:Man I'm so down for this yet lv20 in each world?
An online / out of maplestory version would be easier imo.
someone should make an exact copy in a flash game.
Actually that is kind of dumb, let me edit that. Everyone just hast to make one character in khaini(cus it's my homeworld bro). We'll discuss location later.
Edit: Fixed it. Only one character in one world.
Southperry Omok tournament! - Untradeable - 2012-03-23
KhainiWest Wrote:Actually that is kind of dumb, let me edit that. Everyone just hast to make one character in khaini(cus it's my homeworld bro). We'll discuss location later.
Edit: Fixed it. Only one character in one world.
That does make more sense, So now your in charge of getting a bunch of omok sets! Havefun
Southperry Omok tournament! - KhainiWest - 2012-03-23
untradeable Wrote:That does make more sense, So now your in charge of getting a bunch of omok sets! Havefun
Go make a basil thread for me linking this so that we get a lot more people then
Southperry Omok tournament! - ShinkuDragon - 2012-03-23
ok, do i need to make my omok set or not? if not, count me in.
Southperry Omok tournament! - Shidoshi - 2012-03-23
KhainiWest Wrote:Checkers was, not Gomoku, which is omok from what I know at least. I've never experienced someone always winnning with the same strat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomoku#Analysis
Wikipedia Wrote:Analysis
Computer search by L. Victor Allis has shown that on a 15×15 board, black wins with perfect play. This applies regardless of whether overlines are considered as wins, but it assumes that the rule of three and three is not used. It seems very likely that black wins on larger boards too. In any size of a board, freestyle gomoku is an m,n,k-game, and it is known that the second player does not win. With perfect play, either the first player wins or the result is a draw.
Generalized gomoku is PSPACE-complete.
Southperry Omok tournament! - KhainiWest - 2012-03-23
Oh, that's what I read, the 3v3 rule kept that from being exploited. And nah I'll collect boards, I can just buy 10 of them from MTS lol
Southperry Omok tournament! - Shidoshi - 2012-03-23
KhainiWest Wrote:Oh, that's what I read, the 3v3 rule kept that from being exploited. And nah I'll collect boards, I can just buy 10 of them from MTS lol
I thought Maple's omok had no such rules though.