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Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - DarkXDaisuke - 2011-09-16

I want to be able to survive Cygnus Empress & Akyrum on a NightLord and my current character has 12khp with HB at lvl 150
it currently has 105 ap points unallocated it was reserved for double washing but now i'm not sure if i can wash every point up to lvl 200 since i have a monthly nx limit of 20-25knx so what should i do?


Update on my progress

Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - happylight - 2011-09-16

Since the only thing removed was the bonus MP from having extra INT, I'd try to level up as much as possible with as much INT as possible. Then you can wash them out slowly later.

Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - DarkXDaisuke - 2011-09-16

happylight Wrote:Since the only thing removed was the bonus MP from having extra INT, I'd try to level up as much as possible with as much INT as possible. Then you can wash them out slowly later.

what about double washing? Is that still possible?
should I add my unused points to int level up and then reset them when the full ap reset comes out?

Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - happylight - 2011-09-19

By double washing you mean add to MP then remove out of MP? I don't have first hand experience but I'd say that is removed too since extra INT won't give you extra MP.
Adding INT now would work... if they actually give us a full AP reset.

Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - clericlover - 2011-09-20

I'm in a similar situation. Best idea would be pumping all your level up ap to mp of course with int gears equiped. Right now we can still get bonus mp from INT gears. So adding spare mp (reserved aps) to your mp is best choice. Like what this guy replied to your other post.

Threepea Wrote:You can still wash HP if you have more MP than the base in KMS. However, INT can't give extra MP to Non-mage classes.
My dark night got 4 MP when I leveled up and I had 106 INT.
That's why people say HP washing is gone.

So if you use all your spare mp with enough int you could get the bonus mp u need till mercerdes patch comes if they ever plan to take it off.

Whats your hp goal btw?

Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - DarkXDaisuke - 2011-09-20

I goal is to get like 9k-10k hp base by level 200 currently I only have around 5500 base.

My only issue currently is weather i should double wash or pump int.
and Double washing is going to tough to do since I don't get enough nx per month to do all my spare ap points.

Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - clericlover - 2011-09-20

I'd say double wash. It wont really be that tough u could just leave your stats on mp and reset later on when u got the <$ or you could just borrow int gears from your mage friends. That's if you don't really care about spending $ later on.And you only need around 3,375 spare mp to get 4.5k hp for your 10k hp goal if I computed correctly lol. U should post your total int and base mp.

4.5k hp = 281 resets = 3,375 spare mp

Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - DarkXDaisuke - 2011-09-22

My NL is like at base mp and I have 231int currently. I'm trying to buy some more gear and it should reach 240-250 but that's about all I can get tho.

also if i add all my points into mp while wearing my int gear now and level up is it possible for the ap to get stuck in mp since the base mp increases?

Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - clericlover - 2011-09-22

It's possible that your AP can get stuck to your MP but thats what the int
gears are for. You could just play around with 1 AP to switch from MP to HP

Right now u have 150 spare AP. So pump all 105 AP to MP (while equiping your int gears 250int) and assuming u got the funds to reset all APs in your MP. Just reset 104 AP (u placed into your MP pool) to your luck. And with that 1AP from your mana pool reset it to HP pool(back and forth) before u you hit your limit and reset back that spare AP from your MP to stat(luk).

Sorry if this confuses you haha. And you shouldn't worry if the base mp increases just get the minimum base mp @ level 200 and you should be good. Or get as much int like me XD.

Tips for more bonus int:
  • MW32 + CO(combat order).Ask a friend to buff u.
    (only useful if u have base int)
  • Buy/make the pot that gives 60int bonus for 2hrs.
  • %Int gears helps
  • Like %int maple dagger 3rd tier
  • Aura rings/necklace (from cs)
  • Extra pendant slot (chtp+htp)
  • Crusader shoulder pads
  • Pocket Item that adds +3 or +5 to int (need level 30 charm though)
  • Chair king medal gives u 10int
    (just borrow latest gachable chair from a good friend to get medal from quest)


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Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - DarkXDaisuke - 2011-09-24

clericlover Wrote:It's possible that your AP can get stuck to your MP but thats what the int
gears are for. You could just play around with 1 AP to switch from MP to HP

Right now u have 150 spare AP. So pump all 105 AP to MP (while equiping your int gears 250int) and assuming u got the funds to reset all APs in your MP. Just reset 104 AP (u placed into your MP pool) to your luck. And with that 1AP from your mana pool reset it to HP pool(back and forth) before u you hit your limit and reset back that spare AP from your MP to stat(luk).

Sorry if this confuses you haha. And you shouldn't worry if the base mp increases just get the minimum base mp @ level 200 and you should be good. Or get as much int like me XD.

Tips for more bonus int:
  • MW32 + CO(combat order).Ask a friend to buff u.
    (only useful if u have base int)
  • Buy/make the pot that gives 60int bonus for 2hrs.
  • %Int gears helps
  • Like %int maple dagger 3rd tier
  • Aura rings/necklace (from cs)
  • Extra pendant slot (chtp+htp)
  • Crusader shoulder pads
  • Pocket Item that adds +3 or +5 to int (need level 30 charm though)
  • Chair king medal gives u 10int
    (just borrow latest gachable chair from a good friend to get medal from quest)


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okay so even if i cannot immediately reset all my ap from my mp as long as i can fund it in the future i should pump it all to mp right now?



Equipment:
with 4int base
my current gears are
21int czak with 10 int from potential 31int total
10int belt with 5 from potential 15 total
HTP 22int +5 all +6%int total 39int
wise visitor boots 22int
8 int maple shield
12int work gloves
14int wand
+1 int earring with +8 from potentail and 3%int giving me 6int total 15int
lvl 17 evo ring 1 +7
lvl 17 evo ring 2 +7
Int ring VII +8int
int ring IV +5int
Family loyalty forever medal +4int
white racoon mask +6 and +3int from potential total +9
+22int yellow adv cape
crusader shoulder pad clean +5int
crusader codex level 7 +7int +2 from potential total 9int
29int overall
total 270 int

and my last last question if I level up and did not wash any points do I lose any extra mp as I level up even while wearing int gears?


Progress:
5742 base hp lvl 151
5758 base hp lvl 151 after 1st wash
5775 base hp lvl 151 after 2nd wash

5798 base hp lvl 152
5818 base hp lvl 152 after 1st wash
5837 base hp lvl 152 after 2nd wash

2287 base mp current 11mp extra

Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - clericlover - 2011-09-28

DarkXDaisuke Wrote:okay so even if i cannot immediately reset all my ap from my mp as long as i can fund it in the future i should pump it all to mp right now?

Yes, that's what I'm doing before they patch it up. Pump everything to mp.
But I'm still lacking int gears.


DarkXDaisuke Wrote:and my last last question if I level up and did not wash any points do I lose
any extra mp as I level up even while wearing int gears?
No u wont, You will only lose extra mp if you pump your AP(level-up ap) to your mp without wearing int gears. You can do the washing later on.

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Link & Formula
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Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - DarkXDaisuke - 2011-09-29

awesome, thanks for helping me out and calculate stuff.

I'm lvl 155 now and I ran out of nx so I'm just going to pump points to mp while wearing my gear until I can reload some nx
I have enough mp for 7 washes currently should I wash regularly with those points and get 7 points to wash later or just pump the 7 to mp and get 7 points from leveling to wash later?

Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - clericlover - 2011-09-29

I would just pump everything to mp and worry about washing later on till
there's AP sale. And no, don't do regular washing. I'm not sure if you can
get 10k hp with regular washing. Easier to stay on track if your sticking to one method of washing. But IF you can achieve your 10k hp goal with
regular washing it would be A LOT cheaper.

Quote:And you only need 1 AP on your MP or HP pool to start washing if you have the spare MP. As long as u haven't placed any AP back into your stats. U can still reset MP to HP based on how many spare MP's u have.
Just wondering how do u perform your double washing? And how many
points can u take out of your MP?With all your 5 APs pumped to it per level up.

Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - DarkXDaisuke - 2011-09-30

can't I mix regular wash with double wash?

and I haven't double washed with my new gears yet so I'm not sure

Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - clericlover - 2011-09-30

You can mix regular with double wash.

Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - DarkXDaisuke - 2011-10-26

okay after a while of leveling up I am now lvl 162
I saved up 161 points and added 60 points of that to mp so far leaving me lvl 101 ability points unallocated

my base mp is 4640 and I require a base of 2416 mp
I need to use 1440 MP to return my stats to normal
leaving me with 784 extra MP which gives me 65 regular HP washes after double washing

I will gain 960 HP from double washing and potentially 1176 HP from regular washing assuming I get 18 HP each time I regular wash

leaving me with possibly 8190HP still short of my 10k goal

okay now that they gave away 10 apresets...

How should I use them. I know I should double wash first and then regular wash w/e extra mp I got but should I
-10 points from MP to luk or
-10 points from MP add to HP or
-10 from MP 5 to luk and 5 to HP?


oh and I'm lvl 163 now with 4683 base MP and i need 2430 Min base MP.

Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - clericlover - 2011-11-01

Any option is fine its really up to u.

if you wanna take advantage of the small extra hp do this step
-mp to hp
if you wanna get your range to normal a bit add back it luck
-mp to luk
or you could just do the mix of both
-10 from mp 5 to luk 5 to hp.

really up to u. but if it was me id put it all back to luk so i get some lil damage.
btw im confused on how your doing your regular/double washing lol.
or im just not sure whats the diff bet. the 2. Any1 can correct me if im wrong.

reg wash = use fresh ap to hp ; -mp to stats
double wash(multiple wash) = use fresh ap to mp to gain more mp ; -mp to hp; -mp to back to missing stats


DarkXDaisuke Wrote:okay now that they gave away 10 apresets...

when did they gave out ap resets? thanks.

Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - DarkXDaisuke - 2011-11-01

Here is my plan

I gain 31-33 MP each time I add 1 point to mp so to reset that it would require 12mp leaving me with 19-21mp above base. With 19-21MP I can either double wash and gain only 16 HP or regular wash with AP points I have yet to get from leveling up getting me 16-20+ HP each time.
The better and cheaper option is to regular wash first.

I will try to do this till level 200 but i know i wont make it to lvl 200 b4 the legend patch.
so i will try to pump as many points to mp as possible but still leaving enough points to regular wash unless the AP reset scroll works as I hope, by moving resetting the points in str, dex, int, and luk into the unallocated pool.
Leaving 1 point in mp at the end so I can subtract any left over MP to HP(double wash).

Tell me if this is plausible.
If so I will need to solve for the optimal mix of double wash and regular wash...

I did some rough math and I think should only add 122 points to mp leaving the last 246 for regular washing at my current level

If i do so I will gain around 4420 HP where i will reach my 10khp goal
or I can double wash all my points and gain and gain much more beyond my 10k goal which is also good since you can never have too much MP
if i double wash all my current points i will get around 4800hp
a 370 hp difference for like double the cost...

any other MP I gain i can transfer to HP at the end

Help! How should I continue to HP wash before the removal of hpwashing? - clericlover - 2011-11-03

Yes, i have to agree with your decision its alot cheaper that way.
But about the ap reset scrolls even though it lets u to reset your stats and place it to unallocated pool
u wont get any bonus mp from it. Or is that ap reset scroll before legend patch?
All in all your plan is good way better than mine. Good luck!