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Post Chaos DB skill build - byakugan - 2011-07-05
Can someone post a good (or the best) Dual blade sklill build guide post chaos? I've seen like three out there from basil, sleepywood and HS, and they are all different.
Thank you.
Post Chaos DB skill build - ShinkuDragon - 2011-07-05
i've been looking around, DB's problem is that it has three critical skills, sharpness, thorns, and BF, BF hits 3, and gains an extra mob every 10 levels, while thorns now offers stance, which everyone knows adds massively.
i still can't figure the balance myself, but due to glitched crockies making me not caring much about getting KB'd, i went with maxing sharpness/BF first.
Post Chaos DB skill build - Link - 2011-07-05
Don't you max everything or just about everything in 3rd/3rd+? I haven't really done the math and I can't get to 120 on my JMST Dual Blade to find out. I'm confused as to what levels I should start getting what to make things effective. I don't know if Upper Stab is still stronger than Chains of Hell and I don't know if I even work on Upper Stab in 3rd job (the level 55 advancement) or just save the points for 3rd+.
I've been trying to look for a build too, since I plan to remake my Dual Blade in JMS when Renaissance hits next week.
All I really know is :
1st job :
10 Double Stab
Save points
2nd job :
10 Triple Stab
20 Mastery
20 Booster
1 Disorder
2nd+ Job :
20 Slash Storm
20 Self Haste
20 Shadow Resistance
2 Disorder
10 Dark Sight
3rd job :
15 Flash Jump
lol
Post Chaos DB skill build - byakugan - 2011-07-05
I'm concerned on their earlier builds aswell as I'm raising a DB from lvl 0. If you can't write a fast guide yourself plz post one you think is good/the best.
TY.
Edit: to shikage.
I did almost the same you say with my first 3 job advancements, except disorder needs to be lvl 3 to unlock dark sight, I added 1 to fatal blow and put the rest 3 points into nimble body.
Right now i am stuck with my 3rd job skills since there are guides saying different things. Like max FJ and save the rest until 70 or Go for FJ and upper stab.
Post Chaos DB skill build - Puppeteer - 2011-07-05
I didn't use any SP for Double Stab/Triple stab. This saved me about 20 or so SP for other things I found more important. I just slashed at my enemies until lv30 and used Slash storm.
Post Chaos DB skill build - Link - 2011-07-05
byakugan Wrote:I'm concerned on their earlier builds aswell as I'm raising a DB from lvl 0. If you can't write a fast guide yourself plz post one you think is good/the best.
TY.
Edit: to shikage.
I did almost the same you say with my first 3 job advancements, except disorder needs to be lvl 3 to unlock dark sight, I added 1 to fatal blow and put the rest 3 points into nimble body.
Right now i am stuck with my 3rd job skills since there are guides saying different things. Like max FJ and save the rest until 70 or Go for FJ and upper stab.
I did put 3 points in Disorder. 1 point in 2nd job and 2 points in 2nd+ job.
Post Chaos DB skill build - byakugan - 2011-07-05
Puppeteer Wrote:I didn't use any SP for Double Stab/Triple stab. This saved me about 20 or so SP for other things I found more important. I just slashed at my enemies until lv30 and used Slash storm.
I instead gave up on fatal blow and keep combo'ing slash storm with triple stab. Triple stab is faster and hits 2 targets, and fits great between slash storm's delay.
Post Chaos DB skill build - ShinkuDragon - 2011-07-05
fatal blow sucks, don't max it.
dual stab is the same as attack button,y ou can live without it, that's 20 SP wasted (due to you never using TS after level 30)
honestly, i followed x3ren's basil guide, and common sense+experience.
Post Chaos DB skill build - Worthyness - 2011-07-05
Like i said in the Ask the Thieves thread, there's a decent guide on lolbasil (NOT stickied) in the Dualblade sub forum. It'll show you a linear Dual blade post-chaos build as well as when/where to save. The only alternate build it mentions is one for 2/2+ wher eyou can decide between Upper Stab or Tornado spin. He also does a miniature guide for non-NX book users.
Post Chaos DB skill build - Alex123123 - 2011-07-05
I think dropping fatal blow entirely is a good idea. I haven't used fatal blow at all so far (lvl 78 ). About 3rd and 3rd+ job. I went with max FJ and Uppercut.
Max FJ helped training speed during 3rd job a lot, whereas Uppercut I didn't find as essential (I was 1 hitting everything with Slash Storm). However, I use Uppercut a lot now in 3rd+ job, so eh. Also, with FA + BS, you will be traveling the map at decent speed, so max FJ is not as essential imo.
The bad thing about maxing both of those skills is that you will be getting your combos a lot later. Right now I'm working on maxing Tornado Spin (5) and it will take me five more levels to be able to use the FA+TS combo. I do have level 10 FA, 10 Bloody Storm and 10 Mirror Image though. Also, I wasn't able to use the FA + BS combo until level 73 or something like that.
If I could redo things again, I think I would have dropped Fatal Blow entirely. At 3rd job I would've maxed one of the skills and put a few points in the other. As I like mobility, I would've maxed FJ over Uppercut. That's just me though.
PS: I was using the event books, so I didn't get any extra skill points.
Edit: Not uppercut, upper stab. lol
Post Chaos DB skill build - Link - 2011-07-05
ShinkuDragon Wrote:fatal blow sucks, don't max it.
dual stab is the same as attack button,y ou can live without it, that's 20 SP wasted (due to you never using TS after level 30)
honestly, i followed x3ren's basil guide, and common sense+experience.
The problem with that is that you'll be entirely skill-less until 2nd+, when you get Slash Storm and then you have nothing to chain with it. You'd be sitting there using Slash Storm, waiting a second, Slash Storm, waiting a second, repeat.
Basically, with that build, you sacrifice Double Stab and Triple Stab for Nimble Body and Fatal Blow. Is it worth it? I mean, accuracy and avoidability don't mean sh'it anymore and Fatal Blow sucks. :X You can't save those Fatal Blow SP for 3rd job, so you have to use that SP somewhere in 1st ~ 2nd+.
http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2053598/1
Quote:Rogue
10 - 20: Save all SP (31 Saved SP)
Blade Recruit
20: +20 Mastery (20), +11 Booster (11)
21: + 3 Booster (14)
22: + 3 Booster (17)
23: + 3 Booster (20)
24: +3 Disorder (3)
25: +3 Dark Sight (3)
26: +3 Dark Sight (6)
27: +3 Dark Sight (9)
28: +1 Dark Sight (10), +2 Nimble Body (2)
29: +3 Nimble Body (5)
30: +3 Nimble Body (8)
Blade Acolyte
30: +1 Slash Storm (1)
31: +3 Slash Storm (4)
32: +3 Slash Storm (7)
33: +3 Slash Storm (10)
34: +2 Slash Storm (12), +1 Fatal Blow (1)
35: +3 Self Haste (3)
36: +3 Self Haste (6)
37: +3 Self Haste (9)
38: +3 Self Haste (12)
39: +3 Self Haste (15)
40: +3 Self Haste (18)
41: +2 Self Haste (20), +1 Slash Storm (13)
42: +3 Slash Storm (16)
43: +3 Slash Storm (19)
44: +1 Slash Storm, +2 Fatal Blow (3)
45: +3 Fatal Blow (6)
46: +3 Fatal Blow (9)
47: +3 Fatal Blow (12)
48: +3 Fatal Blow (15)
49: +1 Fatal Blow (16), +2 Shadow Resistance (2)
50: +3 Shadow Resistance (5)
51: +3 Shadow Resistance (8)
52: +3 Shadow Resistance (11)
53: +3 Shadow Resistance (14)
54: +3 Shadow Resistance (17)
55: +3 Shadow Resistance (20)
Personally, I'd rather go with Double Stab and Triple Stab. They seem more effective than early-on avoid, which is pretty useless at those levels, and a slow 1v1 skill that gets replaced quick as sh'it.
Post Chaos DB skill build - ShinkuDragon - 2011-07-05
i prefer that guide, it focus on endgame, and atm, everybody is on 2x exp until level 30, and slash storm can ohko almost everything from the get go.
Post Chaos DB skill build - Link - 2011-07-05
ShinkuDragon Wrote:i prefer that guide, it focus on endgame, and atm, everybody is on 2x exp until level 30, and slash storm can ohko almost everything from the get go.
*scratches head*
If you're going to max almost all of your skills by the end of third job anyway, why not just have a skill to use early on? Putting points in to Double Stab and Triple Stab for faster early leveling sounds a hell of a lot better to me than wasting SP in third job on Fatal Blow, a skill you won't be using, just for the hell of it.
You'll max Nimble Body by the end of third job, so there's no rush getting it at early levels. It's only +60 avoidability, which is nothing. Before you even need to focus on single target skills, you'll have a way better one than Fatal Blow, so that's useless. Triple Stab wouldn't really get replaced until you get Upper Stab at level 55 ~ 70. For general training purposes, Slash Storm + Triple Stab seems optimal, in my view. You can't just rely on Slash Storm alone, because you can't spam it. If you have more mobs infront of you and you find yourself shy of a skill to use, you're losing optimum training ability.
Post Chaos DB skill build - Worthyness - 2011-07-06
ShiKage Wrote:*scratches head*
If you're going to max almost all of your skills by the end of third job anyway, why not just have a skill to use early on? Putting points in to Double Stab and Triple Stab for faster early leveling sounds a hell of a lot better to me than wasting SP in third job on Fatal Blow, a skill you won't be using, just for the hell of it.
You'll max Nimble Body by the end of third job, so there's no rush getting it at early levels. It's only +60 avoidability, which is nothing. Before you even need to focus on single target skills, you'll have a way better one than Fatal Blow, so that's useless. Triple Stab wouldn't really get replaced until you get Upper Stab at level 55 ~ 70. For general training purposes, Slash Storm + Triple Stab seems optimal, in my view. You can't just rely on Slash Storm alone, because you can't spam it. If you have more mobs infront of you and you find yourself shy of a skill to use, you're losing optimum training ability.
That's why i have the jumpstarted one :3 sure it's about 1k HP less than normal, but it's not going beyond level 90 anyway. But i could probably deal with regular attack until level 30 because it's basically a bandit without a % damage booster attached to it.
Post Chaos DB skill build - Spongyy - 2011-07-06
The one thing about fatal blow is that pre-chaos it was the ONLY attacking skill that worked in event maps such as the Cake vs. Pie map (I didn't test double/triple stab but I assume they worked too). Before dropping it completely you might want to double check that phantom blow or blade fury work in those maps, although I don't see why phantom blow wouldn't.
Post Chaos DB skill build - ShadyPriest - 2011-07-06
Does Slash Storm out-DPS Bloody Storm, Upper Stab, and Blade Fury? I was trying to figure things out, but that would be awkward if it's true...
On another note, Phantom Blow isn't in my skill inventory for some reason. Do I have to buy a Phantom Blow skillbook again after Chaos despite having obtained Chains before Chaos?
Post Chaos DB skill build - Link - 2011-07-06
ShadyPriest Wrote:Does Slash Storm out-DPS Bloody Storm, Upper Stab, and Blade Fury? I was trying to figure things out, but that would be awkward if it's true...
On another note, Phantom Blow isn't in my skill inventory for some reason. Do I have to buy a Phantom Blow skillbook again after Chaos despite having obtained Chains before Chaos?
O_o
I can so no right off the bat knowing that Bloody Storm is an upgrade to Slash Storm. lol
Yes, you will have to re-obtain Phantom Blow all over again, sadly. :<
Post Chaos DB skill build - byakugan - 2011-07-06
And in the end this ended up being a 1 to 2+ skil build guide
Thanks anyway.
Post Chaos DB skill build - Link - 2011-07-06
byakugan Wrote:And in the end this ended up being a 1 to 2+ skil build guide
Thanks anyway.
I posted the link to the guide in that post, if you want to set after 2+. In 3rd / 3+, you max just about everything anyway. lol
With that guide, though... I'm not sure how I feel about not maxing FJ until 90 or so.
Post Chaos DB skill build - Connor - 2011-07-06
1st Job:
10 Double Stab, save the rest
2nd Job:
You can max everything. Get Triple Stab, some Booster, max Mastery, max Booster. Leftover points into Dark Sight.
2nd+:
Max Self-Haste, max Slash Storm, max Shadow Resistance. Don't add to Fatal Blow. Put leftover points in Dark Sight if it's not maxed yet.
3rd Job:
Max FJ, max Upper, save rest
3rd+:
Bloody Storm and Flying Assaulter are top priority here. Then you can get Life Drain and Mirror Image. Max Advanced Dark Sight after. Chains of Hell is a single target skill so you won't really use it for training, but max it for the i-frame utility. Finish off with Owl Spirit.
By the time you reach 120 you can dump the leftover points into Tornado Spin, Flashbang, and Nimble Body. You don't max Disorder, Double Stab, and Fatal Blow.
My DB is only 136 so I'm not that far into 4th job, but I have maxed Thorns for the att boost and stance, 1 Phantom Blow, 1 Fury and max Sharpness, and I am now working on Final Cut.
I would say priority is 1 pointers->Sharpness->Thorns->Final Cut->Fury->Phantom->Mirror Target then whatever else, I guess MW if you don't party with others who can provide it.
Hope that helps.