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Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - Retalion - 2008-07-25
Taken off of the Q&A with NXProse:
Quote:In the future with masteria is there going to be major economic shifts as seen with NLC and their massive glove att and illbi deflation?
We're anticipating a few things, yes. Perhaps nothing as drastic as with the NLC potions, but we have expectations.
I guess there'd be a few questions asked first: How drastic was the economic impact of the NLC potions? Sure pink elixirs deflated from 6k to around 2k and power elixirs dropped from 12-13k to what? 6-7k now (not sure of the price now). However, not only did potion costs change, but overall, people spent close to 50% less on pots. Mana elixirs and pure waters (the two more commonly used hp pots before NLC) had a 2+:1 meso/mp ratio compared to the 1:1 of Sorcerer elixirs and Pizzas and Grilled Cheese had even better meso/hp+mp ratios.
Im not sure how much everyone else saved but everytime I repotted, I bought 150 sorcerer elixirs instead of 300 pure waters, saving 250k per pot run. I'd repot around 4-5 times a level, saving me 1-2 mill/level. That might not seem a lot but saying Ive repotted 100 times, that'd have saved me 100-200 mill, which could be spent on better equips, skill books, etc. Throw in the money I save on hp pots too (albeit not as much) and Im sure that warriors and mages save even more (with ginger ales, honsters, etc). For 2.8k, a warrior with 8k hp, these heal 4.8k hp. 800 more hp for 1700 fewer mesos per.
So my question is this: What kind of a change would you predict that would make "not as drastic a change" as the NLC pots? Though through each pot, you only save a very insignificant amount, it adds up, not to mention most players on ms use some form of NLC potions, meaning that they've all saved tens of millions if not hundreds of mesos.
Me personally, I wouldnt be surprised if Facestompers, Stormcaster Gloves, Crystal Ilbis, etc. will become drops of Crimsonwood monsters or if some of the quests available in Crimsonwood gives these items at a small chance/gives the items needed to forge them. Most of the mentioned items have been inflating in the last few months because they've become harder and harder to forge as the codes needed for the items are no longer released. Then again, this could be considered a "bigger economic" shift than NLC pots and whatnot.
So what do you guys think? Would my "prediction" be a bigger or smaller shift than the NLC pot economic effect or would it be smaller? Could people see that happening? What do you think will come with Crimsonwood that will change the economy? New weapons? Easier access to 30% scrolls?
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - Blankout - 2008-07-25
I think there will be a deflation. Usually after a big patch there's a huge deflation (Zipangu with its dark scrolls replaced most existing scrolls, NLC pots, etc)
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - Worthyness - 2008-07-25
The newer shifts would probably be drops.. What would happen when people run out of all the forgeing items for Stormcaster gloves, facestompers, and Bosshunter things?
The prices would go up exponentially reaching into the billions most likely...
However, for nexon to correct this they would need to do one or two things:
make at least the etc. pieces droppable (even if they are extremely rare)
or
Create redundant codes, where in the Itcg, they will add in the possibility of getting older items.
2nd choice is more nexon-lke (no offense to them).
I would hope that there would be something more... Something unexpected. Maybe another New scroll? Access to a common face (eye, whatever) equip from a PQ? Heck it would just be better off to have a SUPER boss from an NLC region (not necessarily the Keep) to drop some of the Itcg stuff OR drop skill books.
That's my 5 cents =P
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - IsaacGS - 2008-07-25
Don't forget some of the other changes in NLC: We had two quests which gave Glove ATT scrolls, which deflated those when they were at high prices. We also got our first monsters which dropped Dark Scrolls. Deflation on Ilbi and blue screamers due to Wolf Spiders, which were both unnecessarily expensive as well. The Warrior Throne even coerced people into doing some of the more difficult quests and spreading their prizes out amongst the economy. We also got the luckless Nocturnal staff as well.
So NLC attacked economic problems on several fronts (Potion costs, Scroll costs, Weapon costs). If we look at it like this, then crimsonwood might only hit one of these points instead of all of them. It could still have a massive impact on just one of these fronts, but not all. This would make it less than NLC but still major. We know we're getting new weapons, and if the weapons we've seen so far are any indication, they're probably pretty good. Most level 80 Taru weapons are great, and the Celestial weapons as well. They're just very rare. Even just making these more common would have a pretty big impact.
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - EchoFaith - 2008-07-25
i would guess that the effect would probably be something along the lines of an extremely noticable price change of a few limited items. making items that are currently only available through the iTCG would cause a lot of chaos in the price for those items, as well as related ones, but won't effect the ms economy as a whole in a way that the nlc pots have (though seemingly unnoticable as those were).
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - Wani - 2008-07-25
I'm actually going with what Worthyness said. Old iTCG sets are out of circulation, all those items are rising in price rapidly, and someone made a comment that apparently Elder Wraiths created C.Ilbis? Which makes me think at least those will start dropping.
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - Hero - 2008-07-25
As stated above, they mainly released that for economy problems. Although I don't see anything wrong with the economy as it is right now, except for 10 slot shields being 60m each and eye accesories being over 150m.
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - Chompy - 2008-07-25
Maybe 30/70 Overall stat scrolls will be released in quests.
Something that SHOULD be common in my opinion
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - JezzaRules - 2008-07-25
Chompy Wrote:Maybe 30/70 Overall stat scrolls will be released in quests.
Something that SHOULD be common in my opinion
I agree with you chompy, not to mention that I do believe some of the ITCG items will be dropped from CK monsters which the price will dramatically plummet.
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - Retalion - 2008-07-25
IsaacGS Wrote:Don't forget some of the other changes in NLC: We had two quests which gave Glove ATT scrolls, which deflated those when they were at high prices. We also got our first monsters which dropped Dark Scrolls. Deflation on Ilbi and blue screamers due to Wolf Spiders, which were both unnecessarily expensive as well. The Warrior Throne even coerced people into doing some of the more difficult quests and spreading their prizes out amongst the economy. We also got the luckless Nocturnal staff as well.
So NLC attacked economic problems on several fronts (Potion costs, Scroll costs, Weapon costs). If we look at it like this, then crimsonwood might only hit one of these points instead of all of them. It could still have a massive impact on just one of these fronts, but not all. This would make it less than NLC but still major. We know we're getting new weapons, and if the weapons we've seen so far are any indication, they're probably pretty good. Most level 80 Taru weapons are great, and the Celestial weapons as well. They're just very rare. Even just making these more common would have a pretty big impact.
Isaac, Jungle Lilies are tradeable right (like if a quest gave out 5 or something, people can sell them in fm/give them to friends to make them)? Could that be their way of making them "easier to obtain". Im an archer so I can only speak for the bow, but a bow needing less strength than an attack yet having the attack equivalent to a perfect one is godly to say the least. They still have to be <somewhat> hard to get or it'd completely upset the balance (I can see it now... if they're easy to obtain, all the people with level 30 pets will be teeing off and making major profits xD).
As I mentioned in the beginning of my thread, I was just saying that the earlier TCG items are "extinct". As hero said, the prices right now are reasonable other than 60 mill for 10 slot shields and whatnot but Facestompers when they came out were 45 mill and are now over 100 for clean ones (least I think... I havent been checking prices lately). With the supply continuing to dwindle, it'll just go higher and higher. The way to put a stop to that is to have either the items to make them drop from monsters or have the final product itself an equip drop (or perhaps a boss drop?).
Those are just my opinions though. That being said, if face stompers, Stormcaster gloves, taru weapons and whatnot become easier to obtain, then scroll prices will probably inflate.
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - Jirai - 2008-07-25
I'm fairly sure Jungle Lilies are untradeable.
I don't think Nexon would lose much (any?) profits if they made it so iTCG items people no longer forge drop from monsters. (Crystal Leaf Earrings, Sirius Capes, etc)
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - Worthyness - 2008-07-25
I just had a thought..
What if Nexon released, by some chance, White scrolls or chaos scrolls through a quest, like that one other MS did?
That would kill the market as well... I don't think Nexon would go to that level tho... might be interesting to see 0_o
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - bored4ever86 - 2008-07-25
I personally think the forging pieces (crystal shards, taru totem, etc.) will drop from monsters (excited about elder wraiths for the mere fact i'm a 83 priest thats bad at himes....)
the chances of them dropping will prob be really low (not quite as low as nep honey but closer to star drops) so that the market doesn't flood
then again any monters that are trainable and drop anything deflate prices (anything dropped by hoodoo/voodoo and straw target dummies for example) plus the sheer fact that people that are not playing global for various reasons that come back to try it out will bring a bit of economic change just by the massive influx of people playing/needing equips/selling stuff and if its actually good exp/trainable then by the mere fact people will be lvling (imagine if there were a pq from 70-90... watch all those 80/90 lvl equips skyrocket)
I just hope that if there is anything of the like (pq) that the equips in that range+5-10 lvls are forgeable
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - ยป-Chris-> - 2008-07-25
I'm hoping for nothing too drastic... Having some things change prices so fast could screw some people such as me. =[ If it is an item I've been hording or something and the price suddenly drops that would hurt, lol.
I'm hoping for some small change, not pots, but something different... This ITCG drop theory seems too unlikely, so I'm going to go with something with the new weapons. Perhaps a new lukless wand for higher levels could affect the prices of the maple wands.
Either way, I'm hoping for something small still. =D
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - Beaner - 2008-07-25
DarthIsis1 Wrote:I'm hoping for nothing too drastic... Having some things change prices so fast could screw some people such as me. =[ If it is an item I've been hording or something and the price suddenly drops that would hurt, lol.i love it when that happens, since merchants get to taste what they do tothe rest of us day and night.
I'm hoping for some small change, not pots, but something different... This ITCG drop theory seems too unlikely, so I'm going to go with something with the new weapons. Perhaps a new lukless wand for higher levels could affect the prices of the maple wands.
Either way, I'm hoping for something small still. =D
personally i hope we get what was promised to us archers. something other than arrows.
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - Takebacker - 2008-07-25
XBish Wrote:i love it when that happens, since merchants get to taste what they do tothe rest of us day and night.
personally i hope we get what was promised to us archers. something other than arrows.
I always thought it was going to be a training spot. A long flat map with a small platform on one side where no monsters spawn. Lure monsters to one side and spam AE/AR or any other AoE attack. :O
A sexy weapon would do well too. Something with speed and HP equipable at level 90. :O
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - Chompy - 2008-07-25
I am thinking...
They will REUSE iTCG stuff..
Like re-release certain parts to make c-illbis-facestompers-stormcasters-etc.
Wizards of the Coast(the card company that makes them) does alot of reprinting and the like- why not REUSE the old items.
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - Milelke - 2008-07-25
I think theyll reuse old ITCG stuff, its not going to kill them is it?
Although if they do, as said, it would be really rare.
Meh, I think theyrl just be some inflation, then deflation
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - Kabanaw - 2008-07-26
Yeah, there probably will be deflation, like last yearthe prices of things are getting rediculously high again.
Hmm, I should get to selling my Metuses...
Predictions of the economic shift with Crimsonwood? - Venison! - 2008-07-26
Hmm, I wonder if this is a good time to sell those crappy iTCG items I've been hoarding...