Dual Blade's "Attack Speed"

Hello, I am aim, Japanese JMS Player. Nice to meet you.

I'm making "Damage Per Minute Spread Sheet (MS Excel)" in JMS.
MapleDPM : http://kaedekouyou.blog97.fc2.com/blog-entry-781.html

This is almost Collect. But Some are not. Therefore, I want to ask your help.
This time, I want to know about "Attack Speed"


I know almost about "Attack Speed Calculation formulate." But some skills does not fit.
I want to understand why does it happen.


I use this formula

=CEILING ( Skill Delay *(10 +Weapon's Speed) /16 , 30)


Almost all skill's are fit with the formula.

But Dual Blade's skill : "Phantom Blow(720ms)" Doesn't fit in AS2.
On the other hand, "Blade Fury(720ms)" fit.

Formula / Phantom Blow(survey) / Blade Fury(survey)
AS2: 540ms /570ms /540ms
AS3: 600ms /600ms /600ms
AS4: 630ms /630ms /630ms
AS5 :690ms /690ms /690ms


Why does it happen??
My formula is wrong, or Dual Blade has some different Rules?

Maybe it's just a latency issue?

By the way, nice character name.

thank you for the response!

I can't understand "Latency issue." What is that?

I captured many movies for survey it.
So, It doesn't happen by mistake or Time Lag.

Anyway, I'm gathering other Answers continuously.

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Originally Posted by aim

thank you for the response!

I can't understand "Latency issue." What is that?

I captured many movies for survey it.
So, It doesn't happen by mistake or Time Lag.

Anyway, I'm gathering other Answers continuously.

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Ah, I meant server lag. But if all your tests have given the same result, then I suppose that's not it.

Thank you for the response and explanation again!

Then, As you say, I got same result.
And add, "Phantom Blow 570ms(AS2)" happend in Phantom's stealing skill too.

I'm gathering other Answers continuously.

Are you using google translate or something, your post look funny :f2:

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Originally Posted by areyouabc

Are you using google translate or something, your post look funny :f2:

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Hahahaha so funny

Anyway, is there a way to go past AS2?

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Originally Posted by tecul1

Hahahaha so funny

Anyway, is there a way to go past AS2?

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Originally Posted by areyouabc

Are you using google translate or something, your post look funny :f2:

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I'm sorry for my clumsy English.
"Weblio online translate" helps me,
And All Japanese, include me, learn English in junior high school and high school after a fashion...
But like me, most Japanese cannot use English well...
Please forgive me X<


Anyway, AS2 is fastest in the game.


No one know about my question in GMS ?
Or My English composition was too bad to understand ? ;_;

I want Answer...

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Originally Posted by aim

I'm sorry for my clumsy English.
"Weblio online translate" helps me,
And All Japanese, include me, learn English in junior high school and high school after a fashion...
But like me, most Japanese cannot use English well...
Please forgive me X<


Anyway, AS2 is fastest in the game.


No one know about my question in GMS ?
Or My English composition was too bad to understand ? ;_;

I want Answer...

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いいえ、気にしないでください。質問、ちゃんとわかります。攻撃速度を計算したけど、なんか違 うですね。

どうして違うかわからないけど、とりあえず @Locked;さんと @hadriel;さんと @JoeTang;さんに訊きましょう。

ちょっと待ってくださいね。

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Modified first post

Hello, I am aim, a Japanese JMS player. Nice to meet you.

I'm making a DPM spreadsheet (MS Excel) for JMS.
MapleDPM : http://kaedekouyou.blog97.fc2.com/blog-entry-781.html

Because some of the data is wrong, I would like to ask for your help. I would like to know about attack speed.

I know the attack speed calculation formula, but some skills do not appear to tally. I would like to understand why this happens.

I use the formula

Attack Speed = CEILING(Skill Delay * (10 + Weapon's Speed)/16, 30)

The attack speed calculated by this formula fits with the observations for most skills, but the Dual Blade's "Phantom Blow (720ms)" skill does not tally in the case of AS2 (weapon speed = 2). On the other hand, "Blade Fury (720ms)" fits.

Calculated/Phantom Blow (observed)/Blade Fury (observed)
AS2: 540ms /570ms /540ms
AS3: 600ms /600ms /600ms
AS4: 630ms /630ms /630ms
AS5 :690ms /690ms /690ms

Why does this happen? Is the formula wrong, or is it different for Dual Blades?

あまり調べたなかったんだけど．．．
まずは君はどんな測定方法を使うんだ？
計算ミスないなら説明できないな．．．
だってＡＳ４＝630は　690＜delay<720 だけ。
バグかも知れないけど

Maybe a Dual Blader on GMS can time it, but it sounds like a bug if there isn't some stupid special case in the skill data.

追伸：ダニー先輩はウィーナーです。

From my understanding, the only alternative explanation I can offer is an unfortunate number of frames being skipped that causes the frame count to be rounded up, hence giving the anomaly. I'm not one who can give great insight into this...

Hadriel

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Originally Posted by JoeTang

あまり調べたなかったんだけど．．．
まずは君はどんな測定方法を使うんだ？
計算ミスないなら説明できないな．．．
だってＡＳ４＝630は　690＜delay<720 だけ。
バグかも知れないけど

Maybe a Dual Blader on GMS can time it, but it sounds like a bug if there isn't some stupid special case in the skill data.

追伸：ダニー先輩はウィーナーです。

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Thank you for your response!
And thank you for call in, Hanabira.Kage!


My way to measure Delay is taking video, then check it.


Therefore, My surveyed data is probably collect.
I take many videos and check it again and again.

And according to my formula(is that collect one?? How calculate skill delay inGMS??), Ordinarily 720ms Skills get to 630ms in AS4.


I think that GMS system is different from JMS.
(If you want, I can give you Skill.wz / Charactor.wz in JMS@Ver3.37)


If you can, please survey "Phantom Blow in AS2."


I want to know why does it happen, and it happen or not in GMS.
And, in GMS, how calculate skill delay.



P.S. Who is Danny?
Apparently, you like Japan Animation.
I like "Girls und Panzer" too! However "Kantai Collection" is....Ummm....

Does the pattern stay when you don't use booster?

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Originally Posted by tecul1

Does the pattern stay when you don't use booster?

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Formula / Phantom Blow(survey) / Blade Fury(survey)
AS2: 540ms /570ms /540ms
AS3: 600ms /600ms /600ms
AS4: 630ms /630ms /630ms
AS5 :690ms /690ms /690ms

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With WindBooster, the Result is same as what I wrote first.

This is real interesting...

if you can, please survey "Phantom Blow in AS2."
The most easiest way to do it is using stopwatch.

Set timer to 30s, then press and hold "Phantom Blow" key till time up.
You would count the number of times that skill did.


For example, Say that the result was 47.5~.. times.
30000ms / 47.5time =631.578.. =630ms

Its easy.


At least, tell me that
"doesn't happen (or You have mistake)" or "it happens, but we don't know why."

I do not know who on Southperry actively plays and has a Dual Blade.
Perhaps someone with a BasilMarket account could ask there, or @Zelkova could ask on Reddit.

Thank you for response, and introduce good forum.
I'll go there.

How about my "Skill Delay Formula"?
Is that collect one? Or you don't know about that?

Oh, I can't use BasilMarket.

He said "You need sign up with GMS/EMS charactor."
It doesn't support JMS players;_;

I tried and got the same result, ~570ms phantom blow and ~540ms blade fury.
At AS1, I get ~540ms phantom blow and ~510ms blade fury.
At AS0, I get ~480ms phantom blow and ~450ms blade fury.

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Originally Posted by Duo

I tried and got the same result, ~570ms phantom blow and ~540ms blade fury.
At AS1, I get ~540ms phantom blow and ~510ms blade fury.
At AS0, I get ~480ms phantom blow and ~450ms blade fury.

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thank you so much for testing!

According to this result, it is really happened.
But, I don't have the way to solve this mystery.


However, how did you get AS1 and AS0?

I think GMS has a different speed cap. Using something like a green monster park extreme potion or the dojo attack speed buff lets me go down to 0. It used to be possible to go negative.

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Originally Posted by aim

However, how did you get AS1 and AS0?

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In GMS, we can break the AS2 speed cap with the green potions from Monster Park Extreme.

Thanks for response.

Wow, thats amazing...Σ(￣O￣ﾉ)ﾉ
In GMS, many player play with AS1 or 0 in boss battles??
I'm jealous of that!!

On the morrow of read your response, I tried it in JMS.
But it doesn't happen...(´・ω・｀)

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Originally Posted by aim

Thanks for response.

Wow, thats amazing...Σ(￣O￣ﾉ)ﾉ
In GMS, many player play with AS1 or 0 in boss battles??
I'm jealous of that!!

On the morrow of read your response, I tried it in JMS.
But it doesn't happen...(´・ω・｀)

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GMS used to be able to go below AS0, it seems to have been patched at some point in the past few months though. The lowest AS I managed to get when I still played was AS-5:

Faster(3) weapon (Fan/Christmas Tree Dagger)
-2 from Dagger Booster
-1 from Monster Park Extreme Green Potion
-2 from Advanced Yellow Aura
-2 from Wind Booster/Speed Infusion
-1 from Rune of Swiftness

It was really crazy. The animations would glitch up sometimes because it was going too fast.

I recorded a video at Gollux with AS-1 (faster(4) dagger, -2 booster, -1 decent wind booster, -1 green potion, -1 rune of swiftness) if you want to see =P

IIRC the patch came from fixing the MPE Green potion when it wasn't working, and in doing so they fixed the whole damn thing...

Well... I really wish they didn't make the cap exist. It was probably the only source of DPS which gave an increasing return (with increasing attack speed). That really, really damaged the DPS of my BaM.

Hadriel

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Originally Posted by aim

thank you so much for testing!

According to this result, it is really happened.
But, I don't have the way to solve this mystery.

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