Ignore Def % Limit?

It seem like ignore % has no limit ....
i have over 110% ignore and when i get a 15% neublite ignore my dmg just keep rising ??

what going on.... can someone else confirm me that this is true or false and thank you
tell me the diff of your dmg when u you get 100% pdr and you use more than 100%

If you have 100% Ignore Defense, you are ignoring all defense. Regardless of what % a boss has for defense, if you have 100%, you are ignoring all of it. There is no benefit for going beyond 100% as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by Untradeable

If you have 100% Ignore Defense, you are ignoring all defense. Regardless of what % a boss has for defense, if you have 100%, you are ignoring all of it. There is no benefit for going beyond 100% as far as I know.

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This should be pretty obvious. If anything beyond 100% def ignore really had any effect in the damage you deal, it wouldn't be defense ignoring anymore but a damage boost.

Sorry, this sort off made me laugh but yeah they´re right.

nvm your right 100% is max
i forgot my codex was off lolz
thank guy

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Originally Posted by byakugan

This should be pretty obvious. If anything beyond 100% def ignore really had any effect in the damage you deal, it wouldn't be defense ignoring anymore but a damage boost.

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I think what confuses some people is that defense values for some bosses are listed as percentages, so people assume you need that much percentage to ignore their defense, IE: Chaos Pink Bean has 180% Defense, so people assume you need 180% Ignore defense to ignore it all, when you only need 100% ignore.

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Originally Posted by Untradeable

I think what confuses some people is that defense values for some bosses are listed as percentages, so people assume you need that much percentage to ignore their defense, IE: Chaos Pink Bean has 180% Defense, so people assume you need 180% Ignore defense to ignore it all, when you only need 100% ignore.

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happens pretty often, i can't say "ignores a percentage of the percentage" because someone always asks "so i substract it?"

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Originally Posted by byakugan

This should be pretty obvious. If anything beyond 100% def ignore really had any effect in the damage you deal, it wouldn't be defense ignoring anymore but a damage boost.

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And since Nexon always does their math right, and always names things right, that couldn't possibly happen :f3:

I can easily imagine them using a formula such as
my_def_ignore = sum of all ignore_def fields on gear and skills
damage_lost = monster_PDrate * (1 - my_def_ignore)
damage_done = damage_dealt * (1 - damage_lost)

In which case if my_def_ignore is larger than 1 (100%), the damage actually done to the monster will be higher than your original damage output. They need to put in extra code to limit my_def_ignore to 1, and being Nexon...

I've no proof, one way or the other. But it's worth testing before dismissing.

Isn't this your 3rd thread about this? Or at least the 2nd one, I'm positive you made this before.

Okay, so since I have 15% on my Dagger, 15% on my Katara (both from nebulites), 30% from using Phantom Blow and 30% from the Leafre Set, I'm sitting at 90% ignore defense right? Assuming I just use Phantom Blow to attack.

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Originally Posted by Berzerk

Okay, so since I have 15% on my Dagger, 15% on my Katara (both from nebulites), 30% from using Phantom Blow and 30% from the Leafre Set, I'm sitting at 90% ignore defense right? Assuming I just use Phantom Blow to attack.

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Correct.

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Originally Posted by Berzerk

Okay, so since I have 15% on my Dagger, 15% on my Katara (both from nebulites), 30% from using Phantom Blow and 30% from the Leafre Set, I'm sitting at 90% ignore defense right? Assuming I just use Phantom Blow to attack.

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You probably have some from Ambition too, but yeah.
Edit: Ninjad

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Originally Posted by Locked

Isn't this your 3rd thread about this? Or at least the 2nd one, I'm positive you made this before.

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It's been approximately one month since the last one.

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Originally Posted by Untradeable

I think what confuses some people is that defense values for some bosses are listed as percentages, so people assume you need that much percentage to ignore their defense, IE: Chaos Pink Bean has 180% Defense, so people assume you need 180% Ignore defense to ignore it all, when you only need 100% ignore.

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Could be worse, there's people I've run into claim you only need to match the PDR to "Ignore all of it" and any more is a waste.
IE: If a boss has 55% PDR, then they would say you only need 55% PDR, because any more is a waste of time and money.

Apparently they don't realize it'd only be 55% of 55%.

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Originally Posted by Dark Link

Could be worse, there's people I've run into claim you only need to match the PDR to "Ignore all of it" and any more is a waste.
IE: If a boss has 55% PDR, then they would say you only need 55% PDR, because any more is a waste of time and money.

Apparently they don't realize it'd only be 55% of 55%.

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let them be, and wait for cpb lol.

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Could be worse, there's people I've run into claim you only need to match the PDR to "Ignore all of it" and any more is a waste.
IE: If a boss has 55% PDR, then they would say you only need 55% PDR, because any more is a waste of time and money.

Apparently they don't realize it'd only be 55% of 55%.

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Thats what i mean. People thought you needed 180% PDR to ignore all of CPB's defense.

To be fair, Monster's defense is always listed without a percent, as a static number, which is then converted into the percent in practice.

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Originally Posted by Locked

Isn't this your 3rd thread about this? Or at least the 2nd one, I'm positive you made this before.

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well i didnt understand on the last thread but still
something doesnt add up when attacking snail vs attacking cygnus knight still missing even with 100% pdr which im still trying to find out maybe ambition ignore doenst work hmmmm

i let you know what is going on i ma test something out it seem like to be working on my other char
but certain char doenst seem to be working maybe it glitch ... atm i let you know if i found anything
as it for now 100% ignore is 100% ignore that is right cuz i tested on my other char with 100% pdr and it work right
but some char seem to be a problem

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well i didnt understand on the last thread but still
something doesnt add up when attacking snail vs attacking cygnus knight still missing even with 100% pdr which im still trying to find out maybe ambition ignore doenst work hmmmm

i let you know what is going on i ma test something out it seem like to be working on my other char
but certain char doenst seem to be working maybe it glitch ... atm i let you know if i found anything
as it for now 100% ignore is 100% ignore that is right cuz i tested on my other char with 100% pdr and it work right
but some char seem to be a problem

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thanks for not giving us any useful information at all that we could use to help you solve this issue

question: How does one know when the pirate's 100% def ignore is working? o_O I mean granted I see bigger numbers every now and then, but i normally attribute that to crits (buccs do have a nearly 90% crit chance all the time).

So how come having 100% PDR doesnt do a thing to Arkarium's snake summons? Just immune to PDR reduction skills or something?

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Originally Posted by fodjgngf

So how come having 100% PDR doesnt do a thing to Arkarium's snake summons? Just immune to PDR reduction skills or something?

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I think Ark's summons work differently, and have 99% Physical resist, not Physical Defense.

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Originally Posted by Untradeable

I think Ark's summons work differently, and have 99% Physical resist, not Physical Defense.

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NO that doesnt make sense 99% physical resist but battlemage has physical attack and it does dmg

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Originally Posted by Question

NO that doesnt make sense 99% physical resist but battlemage has physical attack and it does dmg

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Battle Mages use magic attacks not physical. Hence why would they be able to do damage while zakum is canceling physical?

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well i didnt understand on the last thread but still
something doesnt add up when attacking snail vs attacking cygnus knight still missing even with 100% pdr which im still trying to find out maybe ambition ignore doenst work hmmmm

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I don't understand what you're trying to say. Having 100% PDR Ignore won't stop you from missing. Ambition Ignore PDR may or may not work, last I heard, no one was sure.

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Originally Posted by Untradeable

I think Ark's summons work differently, and have 99% Physical resist, not Physical Defense.

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No, they have 99% PDR, but it doesn't matter because they're Physical Immune, you know, like how monsters can be immune to an element and it only does 1 damage?

I'm guessing they were originally gonna have them just have 99% PDR, but they realized people could just ignore that and made them Physical Immune instead.

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Originally Posted by Question

NO that doesnt make sense 99% physical resist but battlemage has physical attack and it does dmg

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what level are you and what cygnus are you attacking?

I got it i know what wrong with ignore % def on my class .....
I got a i/l and with 100% ignore and it hit 100% but
my Battlemage is diff

2 thing that doesnt work on battlemage atm

all the skill in battlemage ignore doesnt work at all
i have max ambition 10% and that doesnt work at all

Tested on my battlemage first i have 3 estaff so i can test out the dmg if they are the same or not vsing
Snail and Azwan Hell Mode

100% ignore --Test - 30% codex + 10% ambition +30% skill +30% ignore weapon vs snail and Azwan hell mode dmg is not the same
115% ignore --Test -30% codex +10% ambition +30% skill + 30% ignore weapon +15% nebulite vs snail and Azwan hell mode dmg is still not the same
135% ignore --Test - 15% codex +10% ambition +30% skill + 65% ignore weapon + 15% nebulite vs snail and Azwan
dmg is not the same again
150% ignore --Test - 30% codex +10% ambition +30% skill +65% ignore weapon + 15% nebulite vs snail and Azwan and dmg is the same

now i using the skill in 2nd job that has no ignore on my battlemage with
105% ignore -- Test - 15% codex +10% ambition +65% ignore weapon +15% nebulite vs snail and Azwan hell mode dmg is not the same -w/o ambition = 95%
120% ignore -- Test - 30% codex +10% ambition +65% ignore weapon +15% nebulite vs snail and Azwan hell mode dmg is the same w/o ambition = 110%

this prove that ambition is still glitch....

this also prove that battlemage all skill ignore is also glitch


AMBITION IS NOT WORKING STILL AND IT DOESNT WORK

Mages still do Physical Damage afaik. They get their damage cut when attacking Pink Bean and Hilla like everyone else does.

Also, what is you damage the same as? Please stop trying to explain yourself; your English has stopped making sense. Post a series of screenshots indicating what you have found.

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Originally Posted by McAwesomesauce

Mages still do Physical Damage afaik. They get their damage cut when attacking Pink Bean and Hilla like everyone else does.

Also, what is you damage the same as? Please stop trying to explain yourself; your English has stopped making sense. Post a series of screenshots indicating what you have found.

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Magic damage reduction maybe? If mages did physicalo damage, then they'd not be able to damage Akyrium (sp?)'s mobs.

PDR is not the only stat a mob have, MDR is what affects the magicians damage. When it is a fact beyond questioning that the game has both physical and magical attacks, saying that any magic class attack with physical properties is severely lacking in basic knowledge.

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Originally Posted by McAwesomesauce

Also, what is you damage the same as? Please stop trying to explain yourself; your English has stopped making sense. Post a series of screenshots indicating what you have found.

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What he is trying to explain is that both the 30% ignore from the battlemage skill and the 10% ignore from ambition are non-functional, because he needs over 100% ignore from other sources combined (30%codex + 65%weapon + 15%neb.) before the max damage seen at snails or aswan appears the same.

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Originally Posted by CarrionCrow

PDR is not the only stat a mob have, MDR is what affects the magicians damage. When it is a fact beyond questioning that the game has both physical and magical attacks, saying that any magic class attack with physical properties is severely lacking in basic knowledge.

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i said pdr for fast way to understand most ppl use pdr and since pdr and mdr % most of the time is the same only few bosses has diff pdr and mdr alright i will say mdr it the same as pdr in this case ..... 10% mdr is on the snail is also has 10% pdr it same
azwan hell mode is 70% of both...

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Originally Posted by McAwesomesauce

Mages still do Physical Damage afaik. They get their damage cut when attacking Pink Bean and Hilla like everyone else does.

Also, what is you damage the same as? Please stop trying to explain yourself; your English has stopped making sense. Post a series of screenshots indicating what you have found.

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you srs ? im not talking about physical strong.... i know they got cut in half dmg ..... snail and azwan hell mode mob has no physical strong this has nothing to do with physical strong

~if you think my answer is wrong try to get a battlemage and have over 100% pdr you will know that battlemage ignore skill is not working

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Originally Posted by CarrionCrow

PDR is not the only stat a mob have, MDR is what affects the magicians damage. When it is a fact beyond questioning that the game has both physical and magical attacks, saying that any magic class attack with physical properties is severely lacking in basic knowledge.

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There's a difference between PDR, MDR (maybe - I didn't know MDR existed), and physical resist (like elemental resist). Some mage skills have physical element - Evan's Illusion comes to mind, as well as Magic Claw - that is affected by the physical resist of some bosses like Hilla, Epinea, Pink Bean, and Empress.

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Originally Posted by Aflac

There's a difference between PDR, MDR (maybe - I didn't know MDR existed), and physical resist (like elemental resist). Some mage skills have physical element - Evan's Illusion comes to mind, as well as Magic Claw - that is affected by the physical resist of some bosses like Hilla, Epinea, Pink Bean, and Empress. Battle Mages use Dark element.

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I thought Evan's Illusion was dark element too?

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Originally Posted by Aflac

There's a difference between PDR, MDR (maybe - I didn't know MDR existed), and physical resist (like elemental resist). Some mage skills have physical element - Evan's Illusion comes to mind, as well as Magic Claw - that is affected by the physical resist of some bosses like Hilla, Epinea, Pink Bean, and Empress. Battle Mages use Dark element.

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battlemage has no element

where does it say it has dark element?

all battlemage skill is non elemental and since battlemage has no elemental decrease it dmg will be decrease by 50% when attacking physical strong type

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Originally Posted by sufian

I thought Evan's Illusion was dark element too?

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no evan illusion has no element
the only dark element evan has is dark fog and killer wings there might be on more i think phantom imprint has dark not sure on that one

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Originally Posted by sufian

I thought Evan's Illusion was dark element too?

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http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=55283

No element, which the game considers as Physical.

I don't know where I got the "BaMs use dark element" from, probably basil. Disregard.

Post.
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God damn it Question, it isn't even hard.

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Post.
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God damn it Question, it isn't even hard.

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well i dont like showing off my char ign that one reason
i dont like showing my char dmg either

and i dont joke around either.... why would i waste my time posting this if i know it would work

i know what wrong and this time im 100% sure im right if you think im wrong

why not test your battlemage if you got one
or ask your friend that with 100% ignore def
you will know that im right

try to prove me wrong how that sound

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well i dont like showing off my char ign that one reason
i dont like showing my char dmg either

and i dont joke around either.... why would i waste my time posting this if i know it would work

i know what wrong and this time im 100% sure im right if you think im wrong

why not test your battlemage if you got one
or ask your friend that with 100% ignore def
you will know that im right

try to prove me wrong how that sound

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Well I don't have a battle mage nor will I bother putting in 100% ignore PDR on it. Ask @Razmos; for help since at least he doesn't care about his IGN being known.

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well i dont like showing off my char ign that one reason
i dont like showing my char dmg either

and i dont joke around either.... why would i waste my time posting this if i know it would work

i know what wrong and this time im 100% sure im right if you think im wrong

why not test your battlemage if you got one
or ask your friend that with 100% ignore def
you will know that im right

try to prove me wrong how that sound

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No, the burden of proof is always on the one making a claim.
We are not required to go hunt down a Battle Mage with so much ignore def on his weapon and nebulite just to refute a completely unsupported claim.


Censor your character name.
Take off most of your gear so your real damage doesn't show.

Sorry, but I don't have any Ignore DEF equips on my Battle Mage, so I can't help :P

i can understand why you guy wont believe me cause i fail to show prove i know that is a fact
but sometime there are thing are very rare bug.... example

not many ppl got 100% ignore or over 100% to test it out
so this bug alway been here ever since alliance update because everyone tho it working no one ever really try to test them out

in other word this bug is very rare to find and yet i would love to show prove to all but im dont wast etoo much effort on it just to show a bug that no one even care about their own battlemage

you will find the bug once you hit 100% ignore def on battlemage when attacking a snail and Azwan hell mode mob

i know my bam is bug i know ignore skill def isnt work i also found out ambition is still glitch and i know this is true i will keep it on myself since no one really care about their own class if they are glitch what the point it should just stay bug forever not showing out at all i have to be only one to show i care about my own class?

im pretty sure battlemage might not be the only class with ignore def skill broken there might be more since not many doenst want 100% pdr they cant find the bug

to be sure your 100% ignore is working 100% test your ignore rate

dont add ambition that is not working just let you know

here what you do

codex + skill + weapon ignore or nebulite if you have 100% ignore + test your dmg on these 2 monster

Snail and Azwan hell Mode mob
10% ignore vs 70% ignore

if your dmg is the same for 4min then your ignore is working
if your dmg is not the same that mean your skill ignore is bug

again this is a rare bug

if i didnt do this stuff... this type of bug would stay hidden forever


There is another way to do this w/o having 100% ignore

Battle Mage 1st and 2nd job blow has no Ignore def
Battle Mage 3rd and 4th job blow has Ignore def

Test your dmg how much increase and decrease

each of those blow has diff %

1st blow = 130% x 3
2nd blow = 135% x 4
3rd blow = 140% x 5 with 20% ignore
4th blow = 180% x 6 with 30% ignore

Test them out ur dmg on Azwan Hell Mode Mob you will see the diff % dmg that ignore doesnt work at all

there we go now all battlemage can test out for themself thank god im not the only one going to do this ....

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Originally Posted by Aflac

There's a difference between PDR, MDR (maybe - I didn't know MDR existed), and physical resist (like elemental resist). Some mage skills have physical element - Evan's Illusion comes to mind, as well as Magic Claw - that is affected by the physical resist of some bosses like Hilla, Epinea, Pink Bean, and Empress.

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No, the non-elemental skills does not miraculously turn physical and vice versa because of elemental properties. Evans can't damage anything through super def, nor can Paladins damage anyhting through super m def. If the newer bosses with the physical resist trait resist non-elemental magic damage it is because it is coded or bugged to do so, not because there is no difference between physical and non-elemental.

When i PB, my friend does this.
http://i.imgur.com/L4wUN.jpg
He needs imprint to do max on both PB & statues. They aren't physical attacks. Magicians are not affected.

I bet he has Elemental decrease on

I've never heard of Ambition ever being broken...

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Originally Posted by Dark Link

I've never heard of Ambition ever being broken...

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do you have max ambition if you do test this out if you have 100% ignore
ambition 10% + ur skill + codex + weapon ignore + nebulite = 100% ignore test your dmg
on azwan hell mode vs Snail
70% ignore vs 10% ignore
if you dmg is the same after 5 min of attacking then it prove ambition is working
if you dmg isnt the same after 5min attacking then it provie your ambition is not working or even your skill maybe

I only have level 90 Ambition, so 99% PDR with all skills, Impact with 129% :(

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Originally Posted by Dark Link

I've never heard of Ambition ever being broken...

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If you have max ambition it doesn't show up on your screen like it does for experience(if you're 200).

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I only have level 90 Ambition, so 99% PDR with all skills, Impact with 129% :(

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use skill that has no ignore def

Previous discussion about ignore def: http://www.southperry.net/showthread...l=1#post922235

Numbers and screenshots there showing the ignore def on Codex works (it was broken for a while), but indirectly also showing Ambition Ignore Def works.
Of course, this was 6 months ago. Nexon might have broken it since. If I get bored enough tomorrow I'll check again.

in the past cygnus knight has 30% ignore that pretty high to check but to check ambition is kinda hard cuz it not very higher % on ignore

10% ignore is the max level for ambition so it really hard to tell the diff if there any dmg change or not

but now there azwan hell mode all the mob has 70% ignore and this is a great time to test all ignore skill if there anything is broken

i know from my exp that is a fact that battlemage blow skill is broken 3rd and 4th job if you think that im wrong then try to prove me wrong

i also know from my exp that ambition isnt working at all

ONLY test if you able to get 100% ignore or higher otherwise it would be hard to test it out

Attack a Snail check your dmg

then

Attack a Mob in the Azwan Hell Mode check yoru dmg

and compare then to see if they are hitting the same amount of dmg

if they are hitting the same amount of dmg it mean they are working right

if they are not hitting the same amount of dmg it mean one of those ignore def is broken which is most likely is ambition

if you have more than 100% ignore try to make it equal... like use skill that has no ignore or turn codex ignore to 15% instead of 30% if u still got too much turn off codex to 0% ignore

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in the past cygnus knight has 30% ignore that pretty high to check but to check ambition is kinda hard cuz it not very higher % on ignore

10% ignore is the max level for ambition so it really hard to tell the diff if there any dmg change or not

but now there azwan hell mode all the mob has 70% ignore and this is a great time to test all ignore skill if there anything is broken

i know from my exp that is a fact that battlemage blow skill is broken 3rd and 4th job if you think that im wrong then try to prove me wrong

i also know from my exp that ambition isnt working at all

ONLY test if you able to get 100% ignore or higher otherwise it would be hard to test it out

Attack a Snail check your dmg

then

Attack a Mob in the Azwan Hell Mode check yoru dmg

and compare then to see if they are hitting the same amount of dmg

if they are hitting the same amount of dmg it mean they are working right

if they are not hitting the same amount of dmg it mean one of those ignore def is broken which is most likely is ambition

if you have more than 100% ignore try to make it equal... like use skill that has no ignore or turn codex ignore to 15% instead of 30% if u still got too much turn off codex to 0% ignore

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10% ignore is easy to check even if you don't have 100%.
Even on monsters that only have 20% PDRate, 10% of that is 2% of your damage. If my range is 50k, 2% of that is 1k. If you think it's "hard to tell" whether I am hitting 50k max or 49k max, I really doubt your "proof" of anything.

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10% ignore is easy to check even if you don't have 100%.
Even on monsters that only have 20% PDRate, 10% of that is 2% of your damage. If my range is 50k, 2% of that is 1k. If you think it's "hard to tell" whether I am hitting 50k max or 49k max, I really doubt your "proof" of anything.

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ya but that doesnt say anything much about ambition.... 10% ambition is easy what if you got 2% ambition? now that is pretty hard right?
all i know ambition is not working and so does all the battlemage skill 3rd and 4th job

all i know my 150% ignore sure work alot better than my 100% ignore LOL so much for ignore
cuz i know my ambition is glitch that is 10% ignore also my skill is glitch also that 30% so i really have 110% ignore not 150% anyway

im done with this if you dont think my information is right im ok

from my exp i know im right but as for now i dont want to prove to you guy since you guy dont care about this glitch and no one is even trying to do anything
it like im the only person who testing or trying out and yet u guy too lazy

even w/o 100% pdr on battlemage can still be testable with the skill on 1st and 2nd job skill vs a 3 rd 4th job skill blow and you will c they will hit the same.... meaning ignore ever exisit at all... even if you got 0 % ignore u can still test the skill alone u will c that battlemage has 0 % ignore w/o anything their skill ignore isnt working

anyway thank for listening that up to you if u want to belive me or not i dont waste my time for nothing kk im done with ignore i keep it all to my self now it better that way

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ya but that doesnt say anything much about ambition.... 10% ambition is easy what if you got 2% ambition? now that is pretty hard right?
all i know ambition is not working and so does all the battlemage skill 3rd and 4th job

all i know my 150% ignore sure work alot better than my 100% ignore LOL so much for ignore
cuz i know my ambition is glitch that is 10% ignore also my skill is glitch also that 30% so i really have 110% ignore not 150% anyway

im done with this if you dont think my information is right im ok

from my exp i know im right but as for now i dont want to prove to you guy since you guy dont care about this glitch and no one is even trying to do anything
it like im the only person who testing or trying out and yet u guy too lazy

even w/o 100% pdr on battlemage can still be testable with the skill on 1st and 2nd job skill vs a 3 rd 4th job skill blow and you will c they will hit the same.... meaning ignore ever exisit at all... even if you got 0 % ignore u can still test the skill alone u will c that battlemage has 0 % ignore w/o anything their skill ignore isnt working

anyway thank for listening that up to you if u want to belive me or not i dont waste my time for nothing kk im done with ignore i keep it all to my self now it better that way

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you don't get it do you? this isn't basil, unless you present actual evidence, numbers and screenshots backing those, nobody will believe anything you or anyone else says. proof>words and so far, you've provided no proof.

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you don't get it do you? this isn't basil, unless you present actual evidence, numbers and screenshots backing those, nobody will believe anything you or anyone else says. proof>words and so far, you've provided no proof.

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im done with this thread you can ignore everything here

it just sad no one out there try to prove this for me or prove me wrong

i hate to be the only to show prove but i wont do it cuz they dont care about their job i rather keep this bug for myself

you know i like this bug it make my 150% ignore more useful than being a waste let keep this

dont believe me please cuz i have no proof your right but i wonder if there anyone out there would try to prove this for me or prove me wrong that up to them if they care or not

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thanks for not giving us any useful information at all that we could use to help you solve this issue

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you want to help? ok read the thread and help me prove this or prove me wrong

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im done with this thread you can ignore everything here

it just sad no one out there try to prove this for me or prove me wrong

i hate to be the only to show prove but i wont do it cuz they dont care about their job i rather keep this bug for myself

you know i like this bug it make my 150% ignore more useful than being a waste let keep this

dont believe me please cuz i have no proof your right but i wonder if there anyone out there would try to prove this for me or prove me wrong that up to them if they care or not



you want to help? ok read the thread and help me prove this or prove me wrong

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not everyone has the time, we expect that, since you "found" this, and even wrote the numbers back then, you'd have taken a video, some screenshots, something tangible, since you supposedly already tested it.

not everyone has 100% ignore, i won't have it until luminous myself, and i really dislike having to unequip stuff just to be able to test this kinda stuff, since my inventory is loaded with untradeable crap.

if you already did the testing, why couldn't you have recorded it or something? sapta says she'll test when she has time, but indeed, it should have been you who brought all the proofs of it.

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im done with this thread you can ignore everything here

it just sad no one out there try to prove this for me or prove me wrong

i hate to be the only to show prove but i wont do it cuz they dont care about their job i rather keep this bug for myself

you know i like this bug it make my 150% ignore more useful than being a waste let keep this

dont believe me please cuz i have no proof your right but i wonder if there anyone out there would try to prove this for me or prove me wrong that up to them if they care or not

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That doesn't make sense. If a prosecutor wants to prove someone guilty, he uses tangible pieces of evidence, he doesn't just give his word. He also doesn't expect a member of the jurt or the judge to go out and find the evidence for him in the middle of the trial. He does it beforehand so he doesn't look foolish and waste everyone's time.

And that prosecutor certainly doesn't go out and find evidence and then keep it to himself while insisting that everyone listen to him despite him vocally refusing to give anybody any useful information. I barely know any mages who play this game and of them, only one is a Battle Mage. So no, you can either post screenshots or drop this whole thing.

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That doesn't make sense. If a prosecutor wants to prove someone guilty, he uses tangible pieces of evidence, he doesn't just give his word. He also doesn't expect a member of the jurt or the judge to go out and find the evidence for him in the middle of the trial. He does it beforehand so he doesn't look foolish and waste everyone's time.

And that prosecutor certainly doesn't go out and find evidence and then keep it to himself while insisting that everyone listen to him despite him vocally refusing to give anybody any useful information. I barely know any mages who play this game and of them, only one is a Battle Mage. So no, you can either post screenshots or drop this whole thing.

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your right i should have save the ss and make a video but i hate the fact this would be huge waste of time

alright since i lost my prove and im too lazy to reget again all this information is fault so i give up
im too lazy to prove this .... i gave my self in if i cant get prove i just surrender myself

guy just ignore this entire thread move along nothing to see
all my information is fake since im too lazy to get my prove again i dont like wasting another 3hour getting information just to prove this one bug

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Originally Posted by ShinkuDragon

not everyone has the time, we expect that, since you "found" this, and even wrote the numbers back then, you'd have taken a video, some screenshots, something tangible, since you supposedly already tested it.

not everyone has 100% ignore, i won't have it until luminous myself, and i really dislike having to unequip stuff just to be able to test this kinda stuff, since my inventory is loaded with untradeable crap.

if you already did the testing, why couldn't you have recorded it or something? sapta says she'll test when she has time, but indeed, it should have been you who brought all the proofs of it.

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There is another way to do this w/o having 100% ignore

Battle Mage 1st and 2nd job blow has no Ignore def
Battle Mage 3rd and 4th job blow has Ignore def

Test your dmg how much increase and decrease

each of those blow has diff %

1st blow = 130% x 3
2nd blow = 135% x 4
3rd blow = 140% x 5 with 20% ignore
4th blow = 180% x 6 with 30% ignore

Test them out ur dmg on Azwan Hell Mode Mob you will see the diff % dmg that ignore doesnt work at all

there we go now all battlemage can test out for themself thank god im not the only one going to do this ....

This thread's amazing.

Are you that lazy to get proof?

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Originally Posted by Locked

This thread's amazing.

Are you that lazy to get proof?

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yes im that lazy it took me 3hour

and i dont want to do another 3hour to get that same information again just for one bug

that doesnt seem to be a big deal with other ppl

i would love to show my prove since ppl are as lazy as me to even test on their own char i will be as lazy too

even if i get my prove having one prove isnt enough it would req like 5ppl to be offical bug

We can't all be astronauts, Danny.

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Originally Posted by Question

yes im that lazy it took me 3hour

and i dont want to do another 3hour to get that same information again just for one bug

that doesnt seem to be a big deal with other ppl

i would love to show my prove since ppl are as lazy as me to even test on their own char i will be as lazy too

even if i get my prove having one prove isnt enough it would req like 5ppl to be offical bug

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More people would be inclined to prove it too if you presented proof to support your premise. Scientists don't come up with a hypothesis and say "pineapple IT SOMEONE ELSE PROVE IT", they try to prove it themselves and publish their findings which incentivizes others into attempting to prove or disprove the original published article.

OK, fine.

Here's my range and all my sources of Ignore Def:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7133/7...2560d400_b.jpg

It adds up to 98%: 40% from Combat Mastery (passive, not skill-dependent), 10% Ambition, 30% Leafre Set, 18% Nebulite.

I am not using any character cards that give damage, as those are known to display misleadingly in damage range.

I went to Azwan Hell Mode and used normal attack on the monsters, without any buffs. Normal attack should hit exactly the displayed damage range (excepting character card buffs).
Assuming the mobs there have 70% PDRate, my actual damage done should be:
If Ambition does work and I truly have 98% ignore def: 39178.9 ~ 55969
If Ambition doesn't work and I only have 88% ignore def: 36397 ~ 51995.6

From this it follows that if I score even one hit above 52k, Ambition does work.
And if I score even one hit below 39k, something does not work (not necessarily Ambition, could be Nebulite, or something else - but it needs looking further into).

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8307/7...7ddcf908_b.jpg

Case closed.

Adding my two cents.

BaM Stats

http://i.imgur.com/6qbl8.jpg

Additional Info
- Using Quintuple Blow
- Only 20% Ignore DEF from Quintuple Blow.
- Level 0 Ambition
- Assumes Battle Mastery's bonus damage is already calculated into range (Don't remember if it is or not)
- No Buffs or Character Cards

Math (Never sure if I do Ignore DEF calculations right, so someone check me, please)
4574 * 1.4 = 6404 (6403.6)
6099 * 1.4 = 8539 (8538.6)
Min Damage with 20% DEF Ignore (Going below this proves 20% DEF Ignore DOES NOT work)
6404 * (1 - .7 * (1 - .2)) = 6404 * (1 - .7 * (.8)) = 6404 * (1 - .56) = 6404 * .44 = 2818 (2817.76)
Max Damage without 20% DEF Ignore (Going above this proves 20% DEF Ignore DOES work)
8539 * (1 - .7) = 8539 * .3 = 2562 (2561.7)

Observed Damage

http://i.imgur.com/SKoDL.jpg

Observed 2114 Damage hit, which is less than 2818, the inherent Ignore DEF in the skill doesn't appear to work.

There, like 10 minutes of work. I would love to see what you achieved in 3 hours.

Least Ambition still works!

so bam's don't ignore def with quintuple blow but ambition works, good deal.

when i have time i'll check impale i guess.

Hm

I suppose I'll test out Marksmanship and Snipe later.

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Originally Posted by SaptaZapta

OK, fine.

Here's my range and all my sources of Ignore Def:

It adds up to 98%: 40% from Combat Mastery (passive, not skill-dependent), 10% Ambition, 30% Leafre Set, 18% Nebulite.

I am not using any character cards that give damage, as those are known to display misleadingly in damage range.

I went to Azwan Hell Mode and used normal attack on the monsters, without any buffs. Normal attack should hit exactly the displayed damage range (excepting character card buffs).
Assuming the mobs there have 70% PDRate, my actual damage done should be:
If Ambition does work and I truly have 98% ignore def: 39178.9 ~ 55969
If Ambition doesn't work and I only have 88% ignore def: 36397 ~ 51995.6

From this it follows that if I score even one hit above 52k, Ambition does work.
And if I score even one hit below 39k, something does not work (not necessarily Ambition, could be Nebulite, or something else - but it needs looking further into).


Case closed.

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well i will double check my ambition maybe my skill ignore def doenst work mess up with my ambition ignore def too

atm thank for helping out i will try to bring my prove later

i knew battlemage skill ignore isnt working and thank for helping out i will bring my problem soon

Spoiler

http://i48.tinypic.com/2u9lt82.jpg

not using char card or any buff

ok there the proof i got ...... i have 65% weapon ignore + 15% nebulite + 15% code using mu lung set +10% ambition + 0 % skill it doesnt matter cuz we already know my skill ignore doenst work

im using Finsing blow with 180% dmg with 30% ignore since ignore isnt working let say it 0%

that is a total of 105% and that shoudl be able to ignore everything

30356-40475 is my range

if i got 100% ignore then my dmg shouldnt decrease at all

Battlemastery is already added to and show the range

30356 is my min dmg x 180% from my skill finishing blow= 54,640 (54,640.8)

if i hit anything below than 54k dmg it mean my ambition is not working and i dont have 100% ignore with even 105% ignore i did the math i only have 95% if my ambition isnt working

and here the ss that i hit under 54.6k

Spoiler

http://i50.tinypic.com/33bekc0.jpg

and this prove my skill ignore and my ambition ignore isnt working at all.... but when i change my codex to leafre set (30%) i never hit under 54.6k and that is a total of 120% ignore i got at that time

is this good enough prove for you guy?

Try using regular attacks instead of Finishing Blow and see if you get the same results. Also try getting someone else to corroborate your damages, because we know sometimes displayed damage is not actual damage (e.g. 999,999 mage glitch). I think this second part should apply to both @SaptaZapta; and @Question;, at their convenience of course. This is interesting. I might mess around on my Shadower later tonight if I have a block of time to spare.

Please forgive my ignorance about BaMs, but is finishing blow a skill you can spam, or do you have to use some charge-up skill in between?

I suppose it's possible that Ambition's "Ignore Def" only ignores weapon def, but not magic def.

Unfortunately I can't use my bishop to test this theory because Arcane Aim changes his damage all the time. He also only has level 18 Ambition. If anyone has a mage with high Ambition and no Arcane Aim (or knows how to account for it), I'd be happy to see their results.

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Please forgive my ignorance about BaMs, but is finishing blow a skill you can spam, or do you have to use some charge-up skill in between?

I suppose it's possible that Ambition's "Ignore Def" only ignores weapon def, but not magic def.

Unfortunately I can't use my bishop to test this theory because Arcane Aim changes his damage all the time. He also only has level 18 Ambition. If anyone has a mage with high Ambition and no Arcane Aim (or knows how to account for it), I'd be happy to see their results.


49) Character Card bugs:
- My S Rank Cannon Master card doesn't work. Whenever I die I lose 9% Exp, when I should be losing 5%.
- When in Party play areas (LHC, SDH), and in mostly in party quests to, my S rank Evan card heals my MP even when I didn't even touch the monster.

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Do you know that Ambition also has effect that reduce exp by 5% when you died at max level -what level is ur ambition on ur CS?
if it has any ambition maybe we can test the exp dead rate loss on ambition too to see if that work or not

finishing blow is a spam i think cuz it like chain lightning attack or like evan illusion so i think it is a spam

Is this result shown anywhere else besides Hell Mode Aswan?

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Is this result shown anywhere else besides Hell Mode Aswan?

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alll the mob in hell mode azwan is 70% pdr everything even tower and altar and super mob

it the best way to test your dmg ... testing on low pdr % is harder and take much longer to find the answer

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Originally Posted by SaptaZapta

Please forgive my ignorance about BaMs, but is finishing blow a skill you can spam, or do you have to use some charge-up skill in between?

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Originally Posted by Fiel

The Finisher
Description: Inflicts damage on enemies in front of you by firing a ray of light in the shape of a saw wheel. Can only be used after a Blow type skill. Deals more damage when used alongside a high level Blow type skill.

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Blow is Quad Blow et al.

Never mind, it is indeed just the 4th job blow skill. Hits six times, so it was called Finishing instead of Hextuple.

The Finisher and Finishing blow is not the same they are 2 diff skill

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Originally Posted by SaptaZapta

OK, fine.

Here's my range and all my sources of Ignore Def:

It adds up to 98%: 40% from Combat Mastery (passive, not skill-dependent), 10% Ambition, 30% Leafre Set, 18% Nebulite.

I am not using any character cards that give damage, as those are known to display misleadingly in damage range.

I went to Azwan Hell Mode and used normal attack on the monsters, without any buffs. Normal attack should hit exactly the displayed damage range (excepting character card buffs).
Assuming the mobs there have 70% PDRate, my actual damage done should be:
If Ambition does work and I truly have 98% ignore def: 39178.9 ~ 55969
If Ambition doesn't work and I only have 88% ignore def: 36397 ~ 51995.6

From this it follows that if I score even one hit above 52k, Ambition does work.
And if I score even one hit below 39k, something does not work (not necessarily Ambition, could be Nebulite, or something else - but it needs looking further into).


Case closed.

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hmm i still believe that if u get 10% more ignore u would hit even more dmg

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/Jw9v9.png

98% ignore without ambition on illusion, 100%+ otherwise

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/SUL8h.png

Evans crit x1.5

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/a2rGy.jpg

55746 min range

55746 x 106% total damage x 380% illusion x 150% amp x 150% crit = 505226 minimum on crits

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/gef3M.jpg

Min crit illusion = 500393
500393 < 505226
Ambition ignore % is not being applied.

Also my Blaze hits the same on all mobs. It's 113% ignore without ambition applied.


Also I don't have any range modifiers from char cards since they modify range without actually changing damage dealt.

So it's a mage bug I'm assuming.

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The Finisher and Finishing blow is not the same they are 2 diff skill



hmm i still believe that if u get 10% more ignore u would hit even more dmg

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You are a brick wall.
It doesn't hit more damage. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by Bomber

You are a brick wall.
It doesn't hit more damage. Get over it.

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first of all even if her amibition is working it only 98% and it does hit more dmg u nub

2nd of all i still think that her range say if ambition is working then she should hit some 55k i havnt seem that
what about the min dmg?

maybe ambition is only half work? like it only 5% not 10% who knew?

so Far we prove that battlemage blow ignore def on 3 and 4th job is broken
we also prove that it seem to be mage ambition is also broken but there could be more

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Originally Posted by Question

first of all even if her amibition is working it only 98% and it does hit more dmg u nub

2nd of all i still think that her range say if ambition is working then she should hit some 55k i havnt seem that
what about the min dmg?

maybe ambition is only half work? like it only 5% not 10% who knew?

so Far we prove that battlemage blow ignore def on 3 and 4th job is broken
we also prove that it seem to be mage ambition is also broken but there could be more

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hitting your maximum is incredibly hard, you know of bell's curve right? so we only check to hit for the range that proves or disproves something.

i checked a good while ago the ambition bonus and it was working fine too. dunno where that thread went though.

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Originally Posted by ShinkuDragon

hitting your maximum is incredibly hard, you know of bell's curve right? so we only check to hit for the range that proves or disproves something.

i checked a good while ago the ambition bonus and it was working fine too. dunno where that thread went though.

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not really if u keep attacking for 5min u can get like 99% acc right

if your ambition is working i would like to see it out can you show me your ? maybe we can narrow it down to where is the oringal problem? maybe it is mage ambition isnt working

like i said to be sure
we need more proof having one proof it show it working and 2 proof show isnt working not good enough we need more

and im one person i cant solve this problem on my own i already show my i wish you guy can lent more hand so we can figure out what really is going on

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Originally Posted by Question

not really if u keep attacking for 5min u can get like 99% acc right

if your ambition is working i would like to see it out can you show me your ? maybe we can narrow it down to where is the oringal problem? maybe it is mage ambition isnt working

like i said to be sure
we need more proof having one proof it show it working and 2 proof show isnt working not good enough we need more

and im one person i cant solve this problem on my own i already show my i wish you guy can lent more hand so we can figure out what really is going on

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No.
I am satisfied that my Ambition works fully. I am not going to waste my time, potions, and disk space working to disprove your wild conjecture. Why would Ambition work only halfway?
In about two months my Combat Mastery should have 10% more Ignore Def, until then I have no way of "get 10% more and you'll hit more damage".

This time, you do the work. Take a video of yourself fighting for five minutes. Go over it hit by hit and write down the exact range of observed damage. Compare that range to your nominal range, and then you tell us whether Ambition works halfway or only 2/7 of the way.

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Originally Posted by Aflac

Try using regular attacks instead of Finishing Blow and see if you get the same results. Also try getting someone else to corroborate your damages, because we know sometimes displayed damage is not actual damage (e.g. 999,999 mage glitch). I think this second part should apply to both @SaptaZapta; and @Question;, at their convenience of course. This is interesting. I might mess around on my Shadower later tonight if I have a block of time to spare.

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reg attack? like normal ? LOL? you dont understand mage....

reg attack on magic is weapon attack dmg... reg attack mage can attack super magic def up

reg attack has no effect of boost tell the diff.... meaning the range it is show for my class is magic attack range
there no range to show for physical attack....

meaning all the magic attack boost only give dmg to magic attack range not weapon attack and estaff has some weapon attack that dmg is only given to weapon dmg range...

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No.
I am satisfied that my Ambition works fully. I am not going to waste my time, potions, and disk space working to disprove your wild conjecture. Why would Ambition work only halfway?
In about two months my Combat Mastery should have 10% more Ignore Def, until then I have no way of "get 10% more and you'll hit more damage".

This time, you do the work. Take a video of yourself fighting for five minutes. Go over it hit by hit and write down the exact range of observed damage. Compare that range to your nominal range, and then you tell us whether Ambition works halfway or only 2/7 of the way.

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ambition may probably work on reg attack but it might not work on skill attack... if u 100% believe it work im ok but as for mage it seem to be a problem

I have a strong possibility that ambition may only work on weapon attack skill but not magic attack skill

Someone once told me that ignore pdr does not stack. I will show you what I mean.

Let's say I am fighting PB, which has 70% PDR, right?

Well if I go and attack it since I have 112% ignore.

30% from my bow
21% nebulite
6% Ambition
30% leafre set
25% from marksmanship

Alright so out of that 30% and 30% are the highest ignores I have so what someone told me it does is this:

70%-30% = 49% - 30% =34.3 - 25% = 25.725 = 20.32275 - 6% = 19.013385%

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Originally Posted by DJGaga

Someone once told me that ignore pdr does not stack. I will show you what I mean.

Let's say I am fighting PB, which has 70% PDR, right?

Well if I go and attack it since I have 112% ignore.

30% from my bow
21% nebulite
6% Ambition
30% leafre set
25% from marksmanship

Alright so out of that 30% and 30% are the highest ignores I have so what someone told me it does is this:

70%-30% = 49% - 30% =34.3 - 25% = 25.725 = 20.32275 - 6% = 19.013385%

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no they do stack but 100% is max this is fault if this is true then u cant never hit the same dmg on all mob

Is there any proof it is true?

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Originally Posted by DJGaga

Is there any proof it is true?

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No.

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Originally Posted by Question

first of all even if her amibition is working it only 98% and it does hit more dmg u nub

2nd of all i still think that her range say if ambition is working then she should hit some 55k i havnt seem that
what about the min dmg?

maybe ambition is only half work? like it only 5% not 10% who knew?

so Far we prove that battlemage blow ignore def on 3 and 4th job is broken
we also prove that it seem to be mage ambition is also broken but there could be more

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Gee.
Thanks for insulting me and not making sense at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Bomber

You are a brick wall. It doesn't hit more damage. Get over it.

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look who started this ?

Jesus Christ, stop nitpicking stuff just to prove a point. All I ever see is "Well maybe X", "What if Y", "Could be Z".

Start providing actual proof / evidence, instead of nitpicking.

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look who started this ?

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Being called a "Brick Wall" is an insult? I don't even...

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Originally Posted by Dark Link

Jesus Christ, stop nitpicking stuff just to prove a point. All I ever see is "Well maybe X", "What if Y", "Could be Z".

Start providing actual proof / evidence, instead of nitpicking.



Being called a "Brick Wall" is an insult? I don't even...

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to me Yes i feel insult

anyway the whole proof and evidence is in the thread ... you didnt read it all did you?
and you know i cant prove anymore cuz i already done my proof and show it in this thread and there also couple more people have prove that my information is right that battlemage ignore def is broken and mage ambition doesnt work at all and now you guy must prove me wrong

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Originally Posted by Question

to me Yes i feel insult

anyway the whole proof and evidence is in the thread ... you didnt read it all did you?
and you know i cant prove anymore cuz i already done my proof and show it in this thread and there also couple more people have prove that my information is right that battlemage ignore def is broken and mage ambition doesnt work at all and now you guy must prove me wrong

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We have to prove you wrong because you posted a thread?

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to me Yes i feel insult

anyway the whole proof and evidence is in the thread ... you didnt read it all did you?
and you know i cant prove anymore cuz i already done my proof and show it in this thread and there also couple more people have prove that my information is right that battlemage ignore def is broken and mage ambition doesnt work at all and now you guy must prove me wrong

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Of course I read it all. You claimed Ambition was broken. People proved you wrong.
You claimed Ambition is only "Half Working" and/or it "doesn't work with attack skills".
Now you're claiming Mage Ambition is broken.

How about providing SCREENSHOTS? People asked for those, yet you keep sidestepping it. You're making others do your work for you.

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Originally Posted by Dark Link

Of course I read it all. You claimed Ambition was broken. People proved you wrong.
You claimed Ambition is only "Half Working" and/or it "doesn't work with attack skills".
Now you're claiming Mage Ambition is broken.

How about providing SCREENSHOTS? People asked for those, yet you keep sidestepping it. You're making others do your work for you.

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One ppl prove me wrong......
One ppl Prove me Right ... also
I prove that ambition is broken too

that half working idea was a guess i didnt claimed that i said it Maybe

Yes now i claim it is a mage ambition problem since the person who prove me wrong is a weapon class
the person prove me right is a mage class and i also prove that ambition is broken is also mage class

Question is, surprisingly, right for once. It seems mages have a bug with ignore PDR though that's really all that is known, we don't know what source is actually bugged since everyone seems to have everything.

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Originally Posted by DJGaga

Someone once told me that ignore pdr does not stack. I will show you what I mean.

Let's say I am fighting PB, which has 70% PDR, right?

Well if I go and attack it since I have 112% ignore.

30% from my bow
21% nebulite
6% Ambition
30% leafre set
25% from marksmanship

Alright so out of that 30% and 30% are the highest ignores I have so what someone told me it does is this:

70%-30% = 49% - 30% =34.3 - 25% = 25.725 = 20.32275 - 6% = 19.013385%

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Ignore def % is additive. If you have that much ignore, you can test it on Azwan hell mode mobs (70% pdr) to confirm that your damage isn't getting reduced. My Blaze is hitting the same on those and orange mushrooms, so it appears that it's additive for me.

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Originally Posted by Locked

Question is, surprisingly, right for once. It seems mages have a bug with ignore PDR though that's really all that is known, we don't know what source is actually bugged since everyone seems to have everything.

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although i'm sure you already know, others could use the clarification.


it seems ambition's PDR ignore is only PDR, not MDR too, and that the quintuple blow and such skills of the BaM also don't have any MDR ignore

Another test, this time with ambition only.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/smYKp.jpg

No defense ignore except 8.5% ambition.
Dragon Thrust crits for 200% skill x 150% amp x 150% min&max crit = 450%

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                Min                Max
Range                95081                100085
Damage                427864.5        450382.5
Ignore = 0%        128359.35        135114.75
Ignore = 8.5%        153817.2878        161912.5088

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I use DMG*(1-DEF*(1-MDR)) for my spreadsheet. DEF = 70% and MDR = 0% or 8.5%

Since the ranges don't overlap at all, we only need 1 data point. 13XXXX hits mean that ambition is not being applied and 15XXXX hits means ambition is being applied.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/NcxJY.jpg

Well looks like I have 0% ignore.

So Evan skills properly ignore PDR/MDR, but Battle Mage skills don't?