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Chaos Pinkbean And Resistance Revamp Coming?
Well, 2 inkwell diary posts were posted. One was a hint at the resistance revamp but then this was posted like an hour ago.....Chaos pinkbean? Thoughts?
imo, I think this will just be a boss that only the rich kids can kill. Probably not even the rich kids because pinkbean is already hard enough as it is. But hey, we are getting high levelish content right?
http://leafre.net/showthread.php?131...nk-of-Surprise
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inb4 the little pb is what we've been fighting so far
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>pink bean is hard
Hahahahahahahahaha
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Takebacker
>pink bean is hard
Hahahahahahahahaha
its only not hard to rich kids
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Liteness
its only not hard to rich kids
@ShadeCaro isn't rich by the general standard (damage cap) but him and his group of average funded players PB on a weekly basis. PB can and is duo'd even on a semi-daily basis by players like @Dark Link and @Green4Ever.
Pink bean is not hard.
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It's not hard if you spend thousands of dollars on equips like bleve
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@Takebacker;
Just because a boss can be defeated doesn't mean it isn't "difficult". Pink Bean's Damage Reflect adds a retarded difficulty/time restraint difficulty to it. With a 43 second cooldown and over 20 second duration you have a little time frame to attack it, solo that is. With groups it's a bit different especially with the time restraint added to Dark Bind/Magic Crash. All these bosses were difficult but tend to decrease in difficulty as time passes. Calling Pink Bean "easy" because you and a couple of your friends are capable to duo/kill it in a weekly basis is a retarded point because not every mapler is exactly like your friend.
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Interested to know what will drop from it. My guess is a 3rd tier potential ring/badge/heart.
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inb4 Chaos Empress & Chaos Akyrum!!
Really hoping they fix Wild Hunters.. Sonic Roar is still pretty bad it seems..
.. as well as Party Shield, the rates on that skill just seems horrible compared to Smokescreen for Shadowers..
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ShinkuDragon
inb4 the little pb is what we've been fighting so far
wasnt there a event where people could see A REALLY BIG pink bean... i think it was jms
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Locked
Just because a boss can be defeated doesn't mean it isn't "difficult".
I'm not saying it isn't difficult. I can't solo him (yet), so why would i be so adament about it's difficulty if i can't kill him in the easiest possible way without any help?
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Locked
Pink Bean's Damage Reflect adds a retarded difficulty/time restraint difficulty to it. With a 43 second cooldown and over 20 second duration you have a little time frame to attack it, solo that is.
Time restraint? Yes. Difficulty? No. Once you know how timers work (something you don't even need to fight him to understand) it's the easiest thing in the world to start/stop attacking on a dime. The existence of damage reflect is not something that adds difficulty in the way of avoiding death, but in increasing the force necessary to down him.
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Locked
With groups it's a bit different especially with the time restraint added to Dark Bind/Magic Crash.
The fact that the boss is considered a joke in a group setting is one of the points that prove that he isn't hard. When a boss's only remaining way of being seen as a challenge is when you're soloing, he can't be considered hard enough for a chaos version to be unnecessary.
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Locked
All these bosses were difficult but tend to decrease in difficulty as time passes.
Which is why a chaos version is a good idea.
What the hell happened to SP wanting high level content and new bosses? >_>
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Locked
Calling Pink Bean "easy" because you and a couple of your friends are capable to duo/kill it in a weekly basis is a retarded point because not every mapler is exactly like your friend.
I didn't say everyone was. They're called examples. Pink bean is not hard for the target audience it is catered to, whether you be strong enough to solo or weak enough to be in a group, he can be killed with little actual effort in either situation.
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I hope they add things to it to involve other classes like mages. I don't want this to just be a boss where some hacker just goes in and kills it. Or some high powered demonslayer goes in a solos it. I'd like Nexon to promote party bossing more. Those baby Beans should be killable by magic attacks only with around 40m HP per baby Bean, just like Akyrium's summons. They should add other obstacles to it too, make it as difficult as possible.
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Now that's something to look forward to!
Hope they change it's appearance unlike chaos zak/HT which is just the same monster with extra skills+hp :l
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Takebacker
I'm not saying it isn't difficult. I can't solo him (yet), so why would i be so adament about it's difficulty if i can't kill him in the easiest possible way without any help?
Verbatim: "Pink bean is not hard"
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Time restraint? Yes. Difficulty? No. Once you know how timers work (something you don't even need to fight him to understand) it's the easiest thing in the world to start/stop attacking on a dime. The existence of damage reflect is not something that adds difficulty in the way of avoiding death, but in increasing the force necessary to down him.
Just so you know, the DR on Pink Bean to my knowledge is broken to an extent. I don't believe the data states that those are the actual start/end times for DR so in order to find out you probably would have to fight it.
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The fact that the boss is considered a joke in a group setting is one of the points that prove that he isn't hard. When a boss's only remaining way of being seen as a challenge is when you're soloing, he can't be considered hard enough for a chaos version to be unnecessary.
As I mentioned before, just because it is a joke to certain group settings does not mean it's a joke to other groups. This concept is not difficult to grasp, as you are and never will be the majority of maple players.
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What the hell happened to SP wanting high level content and new bosses? >_>
This isn't high level content, this is rehashed useless content that is barely original. It's taking an old idea and expanding on its difficulty by adding a gimmick to it. If you want an example of this, just look at Chaos Zakum/Chaos Horntail and how they turned out.
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I didn't say everyone was. They're called examples. Pink bean is not hard for the target audience it is catered to, whether you be strong enough to solo or weak enough to be in a group, he can be killed with little actual effort in either situation.
Mentioned this twice. You're really adamant about generalising with little proof or data. You and your friends != all of maple.
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This is the big summer patch? A gimmicky boss and Resistance "revamps" (again) before finishing the rest of the adventurers, or the Pirate Legend, or the rest of the Cygnus Instructors?
Wow.
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I wonder what the Wheel of Revamp will land on next month?
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Locked
Just because a boss can be defeated doesn't mean it isn't "difficult".
Exactly. It's like saying Cygnus isn't difficult.
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oh boy am i going to have fun toying with all of you~
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ChronosXIII
This is the big summer patch? A gimmicky boss and Resistance "revamps" (again) before finishing the rest of the adventurers, or the Pirate Legend, or the rest of the Cygnus Instructors?
Wow.
This isn't an ENTIRE summer patch. Most likely pinkbean/resistance revamps will hit KMST next week and be out the week after. The "big" summer patch is probably in july which is probably those new classes that were in the data.
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Locked
Verbatim: "Pink bean is not hard"
Not the same as saying he's easy. Since when was it cut and dry one or the other? We both agree there is a level of difficulty, your perception of it is merely exaggerated compared to mine.
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Locked
Just so you know, the DR on Pink Bean to my knowledge is broken to an extent. I don't believe the data states that those are the actual start/end times for DR so in order to find out you probably would have to fight it.
Didn't know that, but it matters little. Whether you find out the times from someone or fight him yourself, you aren't going to charge in and just attack expecting to tank every hit including DR. You're going to patiently follow those timers whether they're exact or not and attack him when he is casting an animation if you think he's close to DRing. Something you also don't need to actually fight him to understand.
I'm not saying you can kill PB with no prior experience. (or maybe people can? who knows) I'm saying understanding the mechanics and strategy to the fight and still come out successful isn't hard.
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Locked
As I mentioned before, just because it is a joke to certain group settings does not mean it's a joke to other groups. This concept is not difficult to grasp, as you are and never will be the majority of maple players.
1) I didn't say "I" in that quote. I never said i was the majority, i never said funded players are the majority. I did say, however, that the majority of players are capable of beating him in a group setting because crash and bind exist, a point you yourself brought up.
2) Just because they don't consider him a joke doesn't mean is in fact not a joke. People exaggerate difficulty when they are intimidated by something they've never attempted. If the people who consider him on the same level as empress actually went and finished a run, they wouldn't see him in the same light they did before.
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Locked
This isn't high level content, this is rehashed useless content that is barely original. It's taking an old idea and expanding on its difficulty by adding a gimmick to it. If you want an example of this, just look at Chaos Zakum/Chaos Horntail and how they turned out.
You inferred the wrong usage of "new". It's different.
Chaos zak/HT turned out fine. They added two bosses for two completely different groups of players, something this game desperately needs. Variety in bossing. Or do you think high levels don't in fact need something different to do?
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Locked
Mentioned this twice. You're really adamant about generalising with little proof or data. You and your friends != all of maple.
Yeah that's what i get for replying on a mobile phone.
You're really adamant about disagreeing with me because you think i have no perspective. :/
When did i say me and my friends = all of maple? I remember saying players (who happen to be friends, minus green4ever, i don't know him, just his accomplishments he posts here) of wildly different power levels are capable of killing pink bean. Am i wrong in stating that this is what they do? Do you need more examples or something? Sorry i'm in a small server, certainly couldn't compare to windia, a pinnacle server for the bossing elite. You must see pink bean messages all the time. Or is he too hard for that to happen? Either way, pink bean is a lot easier than he was before big bang, and Nexon finally realizes this. Whether you agree with me or not i don't really care, but CPB will be released regardless of whether the sea parts and we actually agree on this.
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Takebacker
Not the same as saying he's easy. Since when was it cut and dry one or the other? We both agree there is a level of difficulty, your perception of it is merely exaggerated compared to mine.
It isn't exaggerated. I'm just saying just because it's easy to some doesn't mean it's easy to everyone. This is my main point that I am trying to convey over here.
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I'm saying understanding the mechanics and strategy to the fight and still come out successful isn't hard.
How do you define hard in this category? What if it takes a person multiple attempts before understanding how to do it correctly?
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1) I didn't say "I" in that quote. I never said i was the majority, i never said funded players are the majority. I did say, however, that the majority of players are capable of beating him in a group setting because crash and bind exist, a point you yourself brought up.
2) Just because they don't consider him a joke doesn't mean is in fact not a joke. People exaggerate difficulty when they are intimidated by something they've never attempted. If the people who consider him on the same level as empress actually went and finished a run, they wouldn't see him in the same light they did before.
I consider Pink Bean more difficult than Empress. Why? Because there is a lower time frame to attack it and it's hard for everyone to follow directions in comparison. If someone messes up with the statues, we're all going to die from seduce and 1/1 because people don't know what to do. If we manage to get to Pink Bean, there is a shorter time frame to attack than Empress. Empress' fight seems much more calming to me than Pink Bean. There aren't full map attacks that bother me or status effects that are retarded. Although the seal on Empress fights is unfair.
Where is the majority of players that can kill this so easily? Why is it that I don't see Pink Bean defeat messages more commonly than Horntail if this were the case? Why don't I see a large abundance of these things if the majority of the players can do it?
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You inferred the wrong usage of "new". It's different.
Chaos zak/HT turned out fine. They added two bosses for two completely different groups of players, something this game desperately needs. Variety in bossing. Or do you think high levels don't in fact need something different to do?
I don't think Chaos Zak and HT turned out "just fine". Chaos Zakum can be solo'd and so can Chaos Horntail. Chaos Horntail is glitched, it has no meaning of even existing because the chance of someone bypassing that glitch for drops is close to zero. Bosses in MapleStory are almost lacklustre because they offer little incentive to do in a group. Which is probably why the question above of which the supposed majority you are defending against don't do Pink Bean. There is no incentive to. The bosses of MapleStory suck.
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When did i say me and my friends = all of maple? I remember saying players (who happen to be friends, minus green4ever, i don't know him, just his accomplishments he posts here) of wildly different power levels are capable of killing pink bean. Am i wrong in stating that this is what they do? Do you need more examples or something? Sorry i'm in a small server, certainly couldn't compare to windia, a pinnacle server for the bossing elite. You must see pink bean messages all the time. Or is he too hard for that to happen? Either way, pink bean is a lot easier than he was before big bang, and Nexon finally realizes this. Whether you agree with me or not i don't really care, but CPB will be released regardless of whether the sea parts and we actually agree on this.
Almost everything mentioned here has been answered above, don't wanna repeat myself.
For the sake of it, the last thing I want to say is that in order for "high level content" to be pleasing it has to be have an incentive. It has to be difficult and it has to be completed in a group setting. If a person can solo the boss then it is useless to me. Chaos Pink Bean would not be defined to me as "new content", it'd be rehashed content. If I gave you a game and later added a patch with the same exact elements but with a higher difficulty, I wouldn't consider this a new game/content, just a new difficulty setting. If this supposed Chaos Pink Bean does exist and it provides the means of attracting groups of people together to bring it down and lasts that way then it's good high level content.
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Would be interested to see what it would drop.
Abyss and Fearless items and/or recipes perhaps? :glitter:
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ScottPilgrim
It's not hard if you spend thousands of dollars on equips like bleve
I don't spend "thousands of dollars on equips," buddy.
It's called merchanting and bossing for funds. It's quite simple. Many people on this forum do it.
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Green4Ever
It's called merchanting and bossing for funds. It's quite simple. Many people on this forum do it.
yep, I have a very low NX budget so I boss for mesos.
NX and money =/= everything we have.
anyway
you'll just have to poke me and find out c;
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Locked
It isn't exaggerated. I'm just saying just because it's easy to some doesn't mean it's easy to everyone. This is my main point that I am trying to convey over here.
And i agree with that. What i don't agree with is the idea that PB isn't possible to be killed by any character above, say, 180 or so. Everyone in the level range PB is meant for is capable of seeing pink bean die, and in that sense, PB is not hard anymore.
Empress is on a different level because not every 190+ is capable of the same feat, because the damage output required to take her down limits the amount of soloers by an outrageous amount compared to pink bean. You NEED a group, and not every group is capable of killing her either. Any group can take down pink bean on the other hand.
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Locked
How do you define hard in this category? What if it takes a person multiple attempts before understanding how to do it correctly?
You mean if someone just went straight in and had no idea what to expect at all? I doubt anyone does that, but would that make it hard? No, not really.
What i meant was that you can do research on pink bean outside the fight (like anyone would) and the tricks won't need any experience to win. There's really only 3 things you need to know. Stay out of range of the hawks, go out of range of ariel when she's wep def upped so you won't get hit, and/or only attack pink bean when you know he won't cast DR for X seconds or when he's casting a spell. Pretty simple conditions.
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Locked
I consider Pink Bean more difficult than Empress. Why? Because there is a lower time frame to attack it and it's hard for everyone to follow directions in comparison. If someone messes up with the statues, we're all going to die from seduce and 1/1 because people don't know what to do. If we manage to get to Pink Bean, there is a shorter time frame to attack than Empress. Empress' fight seems much more calming to me than Pink Bean. There aren't full map attacks that bother me or status effects that are retarded. Although the seal on Empress fights is unfair.
Fair enough. The hawks are unforgiving, but the conditions to screw the entire run over is really really simple to understand. Cross this line and we all die. That in itself isn't difficult, the difficulty is making sure the group is competent enough to understand that, which isn't a problem with the boss itself but with people.
The thing that bothers me about empress is just pot cooldown. Often you're given a choice between use an all cure and have 30 seconds to stand there with enough HP where a hit will kill you, or using a potion and being left standing there not being able to attack because of seal/potential lock. That's why pink bean is better. He'll status you a lot, but at least you can get rid of it easily enough.
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Locked
Where is the majority of players that can kill this so easily? Why is it that I don't see Pink Bean defeat messages more commonly than Horntail if this were the case? Why don't I see a large abundance of these things if the majority of the players can do it?
1) The majority would still need to be in a group.
2) The pre-quests are a B'ITCH.
3) There is no profit, only achievement, maybe a little experience, and/or fun.
You know why people don't do it, you answered it below. People doing/not doing it wasn't my point. My point was that they are capable of it.
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Locked
I don't think Chaos Zak and HT turned out "just fine". Chaos Zakum can be solo'd and so can Chaos Horntail. Chaos Horntail is glitched, it has no meaning of even existing because the chance of someone bypassing that glitch for drops is close to zero. Bosses in MapleStory are almost lacklustre because they offer little incentive to do in a group. Which is probably why the question above of which the supposed majority you are defending against don't do Pink Bean. There is no incentive to. The bosses of MapleStory suck.
Exactly. One more reason chaos pink bean is welcome in my book. It's another boss.
Also i disagree on chaos horntail. I went on a run a few weeks ago and didn't expect any splits but i ended up getting 144m. A number that rivaled what PB used to give in splits when he dropped MW 30. Being the only boss capable of still giving that kind of money is incentive to me.
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Locked
For the sake of it, the last thing I want to say is that in order for "high level content" to be pleasing it has to be have an incentive. It has to be difficult and it has to be completed in a group setting. If a person can solo the boss then it is useless to me. Chaos Pink Bean would not be defined to me as "new content", it'd be rehashed content. If I gave you a game and later added a patch with the same exact elements but with a higher difficulty, I wouldn't consider this a new game/content, just a new difficulty setting. If this supposed Chaos Pink Bean does exist and it provides the means of attracting groups of people together to bring it down and lasts that way then it's good high level content.
I agree. I just really hope CPB fulfills that.
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PeePeeAyeDeeKay
inb4 Chaos Empress & Chaos Akyrum!!
jMS already has Crazy "Chaos" Akyrum. :P
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Aggravate
jMS already has Crazy "Chaos" Akyrum. :P
Von Leon too :P
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inb4 abyss & fearless weapons we all have been waiting for.
Too bad empress weapons are 100x easier to obtain AND better. I would still like the new fearless cape, earrings, and pendant. Sounds like it could be promising.
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Mario
This isn't an ENTIRE summer patch. Most likely pinkbean/resistance revamps will hit KMST next week and be out the week after. The "big" summer patch is probably in july which is probably those new classes that were in the data.
Oh yeah, I forgot all about those 3? job IDs.
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Takebacker
>pink bean is hard
Hahahahahahahahaha
Can you solo?
No.
It's all easy when you get a DS in the map and spam bind, right?
Right.
>Pink bean IS hard.
Yes sir it certainly pineappleing is.
Glad more party bossing is being implemented.
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I want to see a boss with unique game mechanics; physically dodging attacks or the like. Bossing all works off values and timing. The more damage you have, the easier it is to kill, the more avoid, hp, def or status resistance you have, the easier it is to avoid death. It doesn't take skill, it takes cubing like hell until you get amazing stats, since timing DR is so easy it's a moot point.
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Whut
I want to see a boss with unique game mechanics; physically dodging attacks or the like. Bossing all works off values and timing. The more damage you have, the easier it is to kill, the more avoid, hp, def or status resistance you have, the easier it is to avoid death. It doesn't take skill, it takes cubing like hell until you get amazing stats, since timing DR is so easy it's a moot point.
I would like to see a Zelda role playing type character that takes on your appearance when facing it (or if in a party, 1 of the people that enter the map).
I'd like to see it use the same skills the user uses at the same rate as well.
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I've never been a big fan of "Chaos" bosses, but it would make sense for nexon to release a chaos pink bean looking at that note. It's "new" content, but to me it's not new its just a re released boss. Resistance is exciting though.
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DamageCalc
Can you solo?
No.
Lol. Yeah i certainly can solo. What the f'uck do you know?
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DamageCalc
It's all easy when you get a DS in the map and spam bind, right?
Right.
Bind can't be spammed, you filthy casual.
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DamageCalc
>Pink bean IS hard.
Yes sir it certainly pineappleing is.
Yeah ok.
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DamageCalc
Glad more party bossing is being implemented.
Agreed.
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So much elitism in this thread.
Can we just agree to disagree in the case that some things are easy for some people while they may be hard for others?
I mean really, you're getting agitated over a pink beanie baby.
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DamageCalc
It's all easy when you get a DS in the map and spam bind, right?
Right.
>Pink bean IS hard.
Yes sir it certainly pineappleing is.
PB timers: 43sec DR timer, 20sec duration. pomegranate'S HARD, SON!
Then again, this is the player base of Maple we're talking about. The same player base that can't read numbers and can't even count correctly.
I've had so many people kill themselves on DR, because they can't read numbers :|
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Dark Link
PB timers: 43sec DR timer, 20sec duration. pomegranate'S HARD, SON!
Then again, this is the player base of Maple we're talking about. The same player base that can't read numbers and can't even count correctly.
I've had so many people kill themselves on DR, because they can't read numbers :|
preety sure it's 30 second DR.
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Takebacker
>pink bean is hard
Hahahahahahahahaha
Why don't you just accept what you said here and stop trying to add extreme amounts of logic to defend yourself from looking wrong?. Damm, we all make mistakes, it's no big deal, accept it and move on... You niggahs derailing this thread after 2 pages :f3:
Considering the "Chaos" brought HT to a bit of a harder level than Pink Bean, we can only expect Chaos PB to be harder than Cygnus.
Now please don't let the reward be yet another set of recoloured timeless...
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Pink Bean is easy, it's killing it within the time limit that's the problem.
Timing DR just takes practice and learning how to control the statues is cakewalk.
*when soloing, that is.
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LoveVictim
I hope they add things to it to involve other classes like mages. I don't want this to just be a boss where some hacker just goes in and kills it. Or some high powered demonslayer goes in a solos it. I'd like Nexon to promote party bossing more. Those baby Beans should be killable by magic attacks only with around 40m HP per baby Bean, just like Akyrium's summons. They should add other obstacles to it too, make it as difficult as possible.
even if they involve magic attacks to be the requirements, phantoms can just solo it =P
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ShinkuDragon
preety sure it's 30 second DR.
Is it?
I've always read it was 43 and so far it seems to hold true since PB always casts DR at the 43sec mark upon the animation being finished.
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Dark Link
Is it?
I've always read it was 43 and so far it seems to hold true since PB always casts DR at the 43sec mark upon the animation being finished.
It is 43.
@ShinkuDragon; is wrong.
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Dark Link
Is it?
I've always read it was 43 and so far it seems to hold true since PB always casts DR at the 43sec mark upon the animation being finished.
i mean 30 second DR duration, 43 sec CD.
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Mario
This isn't an ENTIRE summer patch. Most likely pinkbean/resistance revamps will hit KMST next week and be out the week after. The "big" summer patch is probably in july which is probably those new classes that were in the data.
New classes? Already not interested in the "big summer patch".
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Pink bean is not hard with a large group of well-organized friends or guildmates.
Pink bean can be a challenge to people who've never done it, or if it's done within a small group
In my opinion, anyways :f3:
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Isn't that how bosses / "difficulty" works? It's really hard and annoying until you figure out the timers and how the boss works, then it slowly gets easier and easier over time once you grasp everything.
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Lol. Yeah i certainly can solo. What the f'uck do you know?
Ok, after 59 minutes and 30 wheels. Safe to assume that's "Hard".
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Bind can't be spammed, you filthy casual.
I knew that already. It's called a cool down/restriction on bind/crash order. You knew what I meant and you use it regardless, that or crashing it. Do you not? Thought so.
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Pink bean is not hard with a large group of well-organized friends or guildmates.
Pink bean can be a challenge to people who've never done it, or if it's done within a small group
In my opinion, anyways.
Wow, I did not know this.
I wonder if this applies to every pineappleing boss in the history of every MMO?!
Don't let the others find out!
Hence the discussion of a why a Chaos Pink Bean would actually be a challenge, regardless of group size.
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Originally Posted by
DamageCalc
Ok, after 59 minutes and 30 wheels. Safe to assume that's "Hard".
Either the person is just bad or they're just stupid, if they have no regard for timers and willingly throw 30 wheels at a boss.
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I knew that already. It's called a cool down/restriction on bind/crash order. You knew what I meant and you use it regardless, that or crashing it. Do you not? Thought so.
It's funny how you're basing a fight's difficulty around Bind / Crash. It's not hard to figure out the timers once you run a few times.
ITT: People arguing about there being "skill" in this game.
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Re: Chaos Pinkbean And Resistance Revamp Coming?
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Originally Posted by
DamageCalc
Ok, after 59 minutes and 30 wheels. Safe to assume that's "Hard".
I lol'd. Hard.
I don't use wheels. For anything.
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Originally Posted by
DamageCalc
I knew that already. It's called a cool down/restriction on bind/crash order. You knew what I meant and you use it regardless, that or crashing it. Do you not? Thought so.
I knew what you meant and used it regardless because i really don't care about your opinion on pretty much anything.
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Re: Chaos Pinkbean And Resistance Revamp Coming?
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Originally Posted by
DamageCalc
Ok, after 59 minutes and 30 wheels. Safe to assume that's "Hard".
I knew that already. It's called a cool down/restriction on bind/crash order. You knew what I meant and you use it regardless, that or crashing it. Do you not? Thought so.
Wow, I did not know this.
I wonder if this applies to every pineappleing boss in the history of every MMO?!
Don't let the others find out!
Hence the discussion of a why a Chaos Pink Bean would actually be a challenge, regardless of group size.
You can take that dildo out of your ass y'know :f3:
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None of the bosses in MapleStory were ever hard, nor will they ever be if you ask me.
Damage reflect adds a false difficulty, you just need to learn not to stand around like an idiot holding down one key. Which is what almost every boss requires you to do.
Until the day comes where a boss in MS requires you to do actual tasks to defeat it aside from just standing in front of it, holding a key down for a few moments and then stopping if it casts reflect, all bosses on MapleStory will continue to be easy.
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http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=27802
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Originally Posted by Satellite
That was my idea Nexon...:chin:
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But, the monster doesn't change in any shape or form :(
Regardless, I hope Chaos PB has the epic space background that CZAK and CHT have.
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Originally Posted by
Dark Link
But, the monster doesn't change in any shape or form :(
Regardless, I hope Chaos PB has the epic space background that CZAK and CHT have.
Or at least a badass mustache.
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Originally Posted by
Kizo
Or at least a badass mustache.
Don't forget the tophat and :monocle:
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Originally Posted by
Link
Don't forget the tophat and :monocle:
Like a sir...
http://oi45.tinypic.com/fkzaza.jpg
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Re: Chaos Pinkbean And Resistance Revamp Coming?
Here is the average Mapler:
Perfect weapon? No.
Illegitimate gear with tons of attack? No
80% or more main stat? No.
HP Washed? No.
Max traits? No.
Can this player beat boss X solo or in a party of equals? If yes, the boss is easy, if no, the boss is hard.
Of course there are degrees to this, but in the end it would be retarded to base it on the tiny fraction of players that are illegitimate or throw money at the game. There must be bosses for the entire spectrum, but the norm kind of have to be based on some version of average.
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Originally Posted by
CarrionCrow
Here is the average Mapler:
Perfect weapon? No.
Illegitimate gear with tons of attack? No
80% or more main stat? No.
HP Washed? No.
Max traits? No.
Can this player beat boss X solo or in a party of equals? If yes, the boss is easy, if no, the boss is hard.
Of course there are degrees to this, but in the end it would be retarded to base it on the tiny fraction of players that are illegitimate or throw money at the game. There must be bosses for the entire spectrum, but the norm kind of have to be based on some version of average.
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Originally Posted by
yo72
If you make easy bosses which you can 1shot, why spend money cubing?
That was hadly a valid conclusion of the post though.
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Originally Posted by
yo72
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Originally Posted by
MrTouchnGo
and this was a strawman argument.. how?
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Originally Posted by
Locked
and this was a strawman argument.. how?
Defeating a boss does not at all mean that you must kill it in one hit. He's countering an argument that hasn't been made.
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Originally Posted by
MrTouchnGo
Defeating a boss does not at all mean that you must kill it in one hit.
That isn't a strawman argument. Perhaps you meant slippery slope which causes an overexaggeration or presumption.
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There really cant' be a chaos pink bean. All of the other chaos bosses added something that the normal boss doesn't do for example seduce and zombie in chaos zak. Normal pink bean already does just about every single stats effect in this game what else is there? What are they gonna do add potential lock and a pot cooldown.
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Originally Posted by
The Great One
There really cant' be a chaos pink bean. All of the other chaos bosses added something that the normal boss doesn't do for example seduce and zombie in chaos zak. Normal pink bean already does just about every single stats effect in this game what else is there? What are they gonna do add potential lock and a pot cooldown.
Or make something new? Shocker, I know.
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Originally Posted by
Takebacker
I lol'd. Hard.
I don't use wheels. For anything.
knuckle-breaking brofist.
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Re: Chaos Pinkbean And Resistance Revamp Coming?
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Originally Posted by
The Great One
There really cant' be a chaos pink bean. All of the other chaos bosses added something that the normal boss doesn't do for example seduce and zombie in chaos zak. Normal pink bean already does just about every single stats effect in this game what else is there? What are they gonna do add potential lock and a pot cooldown.
Woah now, you clearly forgot the more hp, groundbreaking! Oh and it does more damage! That or it spams DR like crazy.
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Originally Posted by
Pink Bean
you'll just have to poke me and find out c;
*poke*
GIMME ITEMS!!
*poke poke poke*
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Chaos PB will be like this:
Still 6 phases, but each phase you fight EVERY statue, all with 2.1bil HP each, and they ALL have status effects and DR.
Phase 6 = fighting PB + all 5 statues = Stuff flying everywhere!
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hmmm new effect huh.....how about an attack that lowers your hp by 1/2 for x seconds :D
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Yay! More fake difficulty!
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Originally Posted by
Raph589
Yay! More fake difficulty!
ok ok I GOT IT!, a flying PB that drops nukes, moving platforms for melees :f3:
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Originally Posted by
Liteness
ok ok I GOT IT!, a flying PB that drops nukes, moving platforms for melees :f3:
Wait, I got it,
C.haos PB
C.ube PB
Dont worry guys solved
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Lol this reminded me to the All Cure potions, they are all cure potions but every boss have a new status that can't be cured with them....
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Originally Posted by
Dark Link
Chaos PB will be like this:
Still 6 phases, but each phase you fight EVERY statue, all with 2.1bil HP each, and they ALL have status effects and DR.
Phase 6 = fighting PB + all 5 statues = Stuff flying everywhere!
Cause it makes sense to kill every statue 5 times, and then the final test is to kill the statues again, BUT WITH Pink Bean.
Yes, of course.
If anything, just have it be able to SED when pinned left.
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guys guys guys.
chaos PB
all statues are seduce Owl statues!
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Originally Posted by
ShinkuDragon
guys guys guys.
chaos PB
all statues are seduce Owl statues!
And Pink Bean itself is an owl statue. that moves around.
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Originally Posted by
DamageCalc
Cause it makes sense to kill every statue 5 times, and then the final test is to kill the statues again, BUT WITH Pink Bean.
Yes, of course.
If anything, just have it be able to SED when pinned left.
Yeah because nexon had enough foresight to determine pink bean needed an "achilles heel*", which would be a specific type of placement...right?
Tell me whats the difference between horntail and chaos horntail?
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You three keep this up and you're going to get banned from the thread. You know who you are.
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Re: Chaos Pinkbean And Resistance Revamp Coming?
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Originally Posted by
DamageCalc
Cause it makes sense to kill every statue 5 times, and then the final test is to kill the statues again, BUT WITH Pink Bean.
Yes, of course.
If anything, just have it be able to SED when pinned left.
You wanted a hard boss and now you don't. Make up your mind, son.
Just making PB Seduce regardless of the direction he's facing doesn't make the fight any harder if the only other difference is more HP.
At least having all 5 statues active throughout the entire fight from start to finish at least makes things a lot more hectic.
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Originally Posted by
ShinkuDragon
guys guys guys.
chaos PB
all statues are seduce Owl statues!
brb 6 Demon Slayers.
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Originally Posted by
Dark Link
At least having all 5 statues active throughout the entire fight from start to finish at least makes things a lot more hectic.
With more stats and everything? The hawk statues alone would put a massive dent in a lot of strategies, but then you have 1/1 and statuses from noblemen on top of super KB stunning rocks of death and beams from any point on the map except the corners? That's insane lol. I'm betting ariel will damage reflect, too.
Chances are the only way that boss would be taken down is if we had someone distracting PB while the rest of the group takes down statues one by one as usual.
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Pink bean that constantly damage reflects.
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Chaos pink bean in the middle of the fight, and invulnerable until you finish all statue phases.
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Originally Posted by
Bomber
Chaos pink bean in the middle of the fight, and invulnerable until you finish all statue phases.
And it moves. And everything near it is invulnerable. Just because.
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Re: Chaos Pinkbean And Resistance Revamp Coming?
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Originally Posted by
Dark Link
You wanted a hard boss and now you don't. Make up your mind, son.
Just making PB Seduce regardless of the direction he's facing doesn't make the fight any harder if the only other difference is more HP.
At least having all 5 statues active throughout the entire fight from start to finish at least makes things a lot more hectic.
brb 6 Demon Slayers.
i think even with 80% status resistance, 5 statues spamming 30 second seduces would mess you up so hard. time to get them resistance potions
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Originally Posted by
ShinkuDragon
i think even with 80% status resistance, 5 statues spamming 30 second seduces would mess you up so hard. time to get them resistance potions
Then we gotta go hardcore! 5 Level 200 Demon Slayers in the character deck for +20% Resistance!
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Originally Posted by
Raul
And it moves. And everything near it is invulnerable. Just because.
plus it heals 100M hp to anything 400 px around it in ticks, and teles like VL to people randomly.
he's not invulnerable, just under perma DR until the statues go down.
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Originally Posted by
Dark Link
Then we gotta go hardcore! 5 Level 200 Demon Slayers in the character deck for +20% Resistance!
max is two remember?
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Re: Chaos Pinkbean And Resistance Revamp Coming?
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Originally Posted by
ShinkuDragon
max is two remember?
Oh it is? Drat, secret tech plan is ruined.
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Originally Posted by
ResistGreen
Pink bean that constantly damage reflects.
so basically copy empress' buggy data
DR spam, trollheal.. with potion cooldowns, and potential lock
now for what I would want..
hmmmm
stop breaking my stuff
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Re: Chaos Pinkbean And Resistance Revamp Coming?
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Originally Posted by
Dark Link
Oh it is? Drat, secret tech plan is ruined.
Level 100 Willpower should do the trick, and it'll only take at least six months! :f2:
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Re: Chaos Pinkbean And Resistance Revamp Coming?
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Originally Posted by
Sorien
Level 100 Willpower should do the trick, and it'll only take at least six months! :f2:
It's a matter of days if you have the patience, and money, I guess, to continuously learn, level, forget, and relearn mining, which gives willpower EXP for leveling and doesn't count toward the daily cap.
I don't. My Demon Slayer has like 80 willpower, and I stopped there, because really, 96% status resistance is enough.
Post-Justice, it'll drop to 76% though, with the nerf to Black Hearted-Strength.
It's a pity we don't have any of those 30% status resistance potions, at least, not many people make them.
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Na this Chaos PB will have brand new status attacks. One of them will make your attacks heal him and another will make you fly up to top of the map for 15 seconds. Watch it happen.
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Originally Posted by
Sorien
Level 100 Willpower should do the trick, and it'll only take at least six months! :f2:
Level 100 willpower can easily be achieved in days.
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Originally Posted by
CarrionCrow
Level 100 willpower can easily be achieved in days.
Yeah, just takes a lot of mesos.
Another way to chop some time is to get to 490 or so willpower, then finish Sabitrama's quest in old Maple, netting you an extra 300 willpower.
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Potential lock alone is enough to make me rage quit a boss lmao... If they make it so its like GMS' Von Leon where it's got no predictable skill use or patterns or cooldowns then this boss will.. be hell.
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Originally Posted by
CarrionCrow
Level 100 willpower can easily be achieved in days.
Oh, you're right, I forgot that Mining gave a ton of Willpower exp whenever the player leveled it up.
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I already have level 100 Willpower anyways, but the resistance gets nerfed from 80% -> 60%. Once the character deck gets released I'll have 84% resistance due to having a level 200 DS.
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Re: Chaos Pinkbean And Resistance Revamp Coming?
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Originally Posted by
Green4Ever
I don't spend "thousands of dollars on equips," buddy.
It's called merchanting and bossing for funds. It's quite simple. Many people on this forum do it.
Let's say I have about 100 million mesos, and 90% primary stat gear. But I'm not going to merchant for funds because I don't want to go anywhere near the FM in the next decade or so. Also, "you should just merchant for funds" isn't a valid answer to getting rich, cause the more people do it, the less rich each one gets.
What boss can I earn NX from?
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Originally Posted by
Stereo
What boss can I earn NX from?
None.
The helmets from Zakum/Chaos Zakum require 3k/4k NX to transfer and complete the sale. That itself requires NX to "merchant" and has a very small profit margin. Horntail will become next to useless within the few days when Nexon's all mighty fix crashes the Horntail market. Chaos Horntail is hard to get into and organize to perfection, so it isn't counted although if available has a somewhat decent profit margin. Pink Bean is a joke. The recipes range from 500k-2m and the rock of time doesn't sell. Akyrum doesn't sell for anything either.
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Originally Posted by
Stereo
Let's say I have about 100 million mesos, and 90% primary stat gear. But I'm not going to merchant for funds because I don't want to go anywhere near the FM in the next decade or so. Also, "you should just merchant for funds" isn't a valid answer to getting rich, cause the more people do it, the less rich each one gets.
What boss can I earn NX from?
Doesn't hilla drop a pet? I think thats the closet we can ever get to NX from bosses :/...
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Originally Posted by
fodjgngf
Doesn't hilla drop a pet? I think thats the closet we can ever get to NX from bosses :/...
Untradeable without cash trade.
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Originally Posted by
Locked
None.
The helmets from Zakum/Chaos Zakum require 3k/4k NX to transfer and complete the sale. That itself requires NX to "merchant" and has a very small profit margin. Horntail will become next to useless within the few days when Nexon's all mighty fix crashes the Horntail market. Chaos Horntail is hard to get into and organize to perfection, so it isn't counted although if available has a somewhat decent profit margin. Pink Bean is a joke. The recipes range from 500k-2m and the rock of time doesn't sell. Akyrum doesn't sell for anything either.
CHT is the only boss in existence whose drops are still profitable enough to satisfy runners. Assuming the horntail fix won't apply to CHT, the pendants will still sell for max (at least in khaini).
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Re: Chaos Pinkbean And Resistance Revamp Coming?
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Originally Posted by
Stereo
Let's say I have about 100 million mesos, and 90% primary stat gear. But I'm not going to merchant for funds because I don't want to go anywhere near the FM in the next decade or so. Also, "you should just merchant for funds" isn't a valid answer to getting rich, cause the more people do it, the less rich each one gets.
What boss can I earn NX from?
I never said anyone should merchant for funds. I said that's what I do.
I don't give a pineapple about what other people do for funds.
I make about 200-400m per Pink Bean run (off the Weapons/Armor and MMB alone) and the RoT I get from Pink Bean and Arkarium I turn into Timeless Weapons and sell those for 100-200m depending on weapon and stats.