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[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - ShinkuDragon - 2011-06-16
StarCode10 Wrote:Von Leon
Level: 129
HP: 12,800,000
Physical Attack: 5000
Magical Attack: 2750
Knockback: 99,999,999
WDEF: 60%
MDEF: 57%
Avoid: 144
Accuracy: 225
Revive: Von Leon
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Boss
Is Von Leon really nerfed
i can kill that in 5 hits o.O but that "revive line"... maybe now we have to attack human VL so that he transforms?
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - Avith - 2011-06-16
Im sorry to ask but will quest ever be added here or will it be on the actual sever update?
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - White - 2011-06-16
Avith Wrote:Im sorry to ask but will quest ever be added here or will it be on the actual sever update?
It won't be added here because there will be no new quests when chaos comes out.
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - darkmonkey13 - 2011-06-16
White Wrote:It won't be added here because there will be no new quests when chaos comes out.
Lawlwhut?
Future hene/ereve?
Chaos events?
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - Viaje - 2011-06-16
darkmonkey13 Wrote:Agares Bloody HammerHey, champ, care to check the level on those things?
1H BW - Warriors only
Set: (#18) Agares Bloody Set
Req Level: 130
Agares Headsplitter
1H Axe - Warriors only
Set: (#18) Agares Bloody Set
Req Level: 130
hmmmmmmmmmmmm...........................
WHOA
ARE THOSE FAST 5 WEAPONS I SEE?
AND THEY AREN'T SWORDS?
OH MAH GAWD.
Yeah, pretty sure those say '130', not '140'.
Thanks for the effort; you can't fail without trying.
ShinkuDragon Wrote:the whole point of my post as to say that adding dex wasn't required, that was the only thing i was trying to show, wether stereo did it or not months ago is not relevant, unless you mean the post a few pages back, in which he did the math with his nightlord equipment, i just showed the amount of dex these equips added by themselves, he did all the switcheroo in his NL, i showed the numbers the equips give, it's different.The original point of the post is irrelevant; my original reply was focusing on a single line.
Not sure why this is even being discussed.
ShinkuDragon Wrote:about the "everything has attack" part, it's the simple fact that the more attack you have, the less effective it becomesWhich is equally true for %Primary, something that anyone equipping these would have in butt-tons.
But, Captain Strawman, 30 attack isn't the only thing you get; 30% Boss will be better for anyone who has the funds to get this set.
ShinkuDragon Wrote:about the illusion of more options, sorry but no, remember what i said about hybrid being the best way? yea, the reason it was the best way, is because there were less efficient ways that people still chose to follow, i.e. the pure spear, or pure polearm drk, those still exist, albeit mentally instead of skill-enforced, so even though they are worse options, they are still options maybe not for me or you, who like efficiency, but to someone else who simply, hey, doesn't like polearmsHey! Look! It's a paragraph of bullpomegranate!
Early game, yeah, people may screw around with different weapons, but Maplestory is a game of efficiency.
End-game, there is only one viable option: polearms.
No rational person in GMS is going to choose anything over the Purple Surfboard, regardless of looks.
ShinkuDragon Wrote:about the "i was aware DrK used spears, thanks for backing up my point" i wasn't, since BB, spears haven't been the way to go, but polearms, back then we used spears because it was the best, now we use poles because they are the best, your suggestion of "taking the poles away" was a nerf, nothing more.My point was that Spears were your primary weapon before Big Bang, so I don't get all the whining about "OH NO! POLARMS R OURZ! ARANS CANT HAV!"
ShinkuDragon Wrote:So your entire post is just going to be asserting what I've already said? Well, that certainly makes this easy.You still haven't shown that Dark Knights need a Fast Spear, making this comment meaningless.
this was regarding taking away all polearms, the only fast spear we would be left with, can't even get boss 30%, and as such, it's useless
ShinkuDragon Wrote:Aw. Poo baby and your one speed. Too bad that couldn't possibly be remedied by making other balance adjustments.And ya'll never had blindingly fast attacks before; that's not what the class is about. Seems like you're essentially whining about basic pillars of your class like they dropped out of no where. That'd be like me whining about not being top-tier damagers.
excuse me for not having blindingly fast attacks where a 1 speed difference isn't that big (or at least we didn't, here comes impale) and you nowhere in your post suggested to "remove poles and make spears faster" you just said "poles for the arans, take it from the drK's, end.
And, no, I didn't say to make Spears faster. That'd be moronic; it's not what Dark Knights are about.
That said, you're a bit ignorant.
Newsflash, slugger:
Sacrifice, with a Normal (6) weapon is faster than both Intrepid Slash and Blast using a Fast (5) weapon. (Booster included to change speeds).
All I see is a greedy bastard who wants his class to have everything.
ShinkuDragon Wrote:Also, not all 1H BWs are Normal (6). And, yes, it is a moronic statement because you've shown that you missed the point entirely.It's funny how many people have said that I argue "just for the sake of arguing." What an asinine statement.
according to the ETL, which i checked before even making that comment, yes they are, or at least all of them excluding the "psb" duck tube, and pyrope, which is fast 5, and what point? the point where i am supposed to put words in your mouth? because you could have put some in mine and not argued about a lot of things both of us know, just for the sake of arguing
I made two statements which amounted to:
"Choosing to stick with five items of a 140 set instead of getting the sixth is moronic."
and
"Spearmen should, OMG, just use Spears."
Any other argument was caused by you straying from those original arguments; both of which were pretty damn simple.
That aside, I have no idea what the "ETL" is, but it's inaccurate, as was your statement.
ShinkuDragon Wrote:I've said plenty of times that I wish they made Palis use 1H axes/swords/BWs, Heroes use 2H axes/swords/BWs, and Dark Knights use spears. The entire purpose would be to ensure that all weapons had some worth/use. Axes and BWs could have their base attack/multipliers adjusted appropriately to make them on-par with swords.I see you're going to take the "let's put words in his head" route.
you know very well it wouldn't work, first week the best paladin weapon would be known, and it would be the only thing everybody would aim for, same for hero weapon. and nice, 3 kind of weapons for heroes/pally's, and dk's stuck to spears, where it would be even more forced what to use, just saying, have you seen the aran forums in basil? "should i use an arcglaive or X?" "arcglaive" no questions, no doubts, nothing. just one weapon, better than all the others.
No, I don't "know very well it wouldn't work." If I believed that, I'd be an idiot to suggest it as it would contradict my own views on the subject.
And what would be the best weapon for Heroes? And for Palis?
Pretty sure the Arcglaive is no longer the only option, but thanks for playing.
ShinkuDragon Wrote:i do agree spears could be better, but we also have a better option available, the polearms, if anything, instead of you and me exchanging blows on what should stay and what should leave, we should question why nexon is trying to bury spears, note: bury them, not fix it by deleting poles from our ability and saying "lolfixed" while leaving us with subpar weapons.It's cute the way you not-so-slyly try to tell people what they should be doing.
Nexon isn't trying to bury spears; they just have a terrible sense of balance.
They believe that giving spears a meaningless bit of extra attack makes up for a two speed difference.
"Subpar" is completely subjective and relative, btw. You'd only miss them because you've been spoiled.
ShinkuDragon Wrote:and about the 1h, my mistake, i mistook the 130 with the 140Yeah, strange the way Nexon stopped making Axes and BWs for new sets (the ones that aren't just recolors).
Maybe because they realized that, due to their current failed system of balancing, any new Axe or BW would either be redundant or inferior to their Sword counter-part.
Can't wait until the day when they just stop making Spears. Maybe then ya'll can peach about that.
ShinkuDragon Wrote:then again, was the "clouded mind" comment necessary? i swear, and i am telling you up front, what annoys me of you isn't that you insult people, but that you do on stuff i am sure even you don't believe, seriously? so because i said 140 means i couldn't have made a mistake and see a number wrong? if that's all it takes to have a clouded mind, i'd fear to see what you think a genius is.Oh, I was sure you were referring to the 130 BW. However, the "clouded mind" comment wasn't a response to that mistake, but to your responses in this conversation as a whole.
StarCode10 Wrote:Is Von Leon really nerfedHard to tell since that is a "new" monster.
It also summons "Pie monster"...
Likely an event summon.
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - Satellite - 2011-06-16
Viaje Wrote:What level 140 Fast (5) weapon that isn't a sword is your clouded mind envisioning?
Looks like someone else has a "clouded mind"
Quote:Lionheart Partisan
[SIZE="4"]Polearm[/SIZE] - Warriors only
Set: (#25) Lionheart Set
[SIZE="4"]Req Level: 140[/SIZE]
Req STR: 420
Req DEX: 170
STR: +35
DEX: +20
Weapon Attack: +122
Accuracy: +100
Charm EXP: +100
Equip tradeblock
Platinum Scissors of Karma
[SIZE="4"]Fast(5)[/SIZE]
8 slots
Thanks for the effort; you can't fail without trying.
140lvl Axes/BW
don't seem to be in the data yet (?), but I have a good feeling that they will be Fast(5) too, as the 130lvl ones are.Also guys, use PMs or save the drama for your mama.
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - hadriel - 2011-06-16
I am very sure more than one person is less than pleased with the way such arguments go. Use the PMs and stop flooding these threads.
Hadriel
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - Viaje - 2011-06-16
Satellite Wrote:Looks like someone else has a "clouded mind"Hey, kiddo! Time to introduce you to how a conversation works!
"Lionheart Partisan
Polearm - Warriors only
Set: (#25) Lionheart Set
Req Level: 140
Req STR: 420
Req DEX: 170
STR: +35
DEX: +20
Weapon Attack: +122
Accuracy: +100
Charm EXP: +100
Equip tradeblock
Platinum Scissors of Karma
Fast(5)
8 slots"
ShinkuDragon Wrote:heck, if i lost polearms and you lost swords, you'd still be able to go for the level 140 fast 5 weapon, i would be stuck with a sky ski, or a level 140 slow weapon, not cool man, not cool.>ShinkuDragon pointing out that there is a high-level Fast (5) 1H weapon that my class (Paladin) could use (though he mistakenly takes it to be a 140 weapon).
Viaje Wrote:What level 140 Fast (5) weapon that isn't a sword is your clouded mind envisioning?>Me pointing out that there isn't a 140 Fast (5) weapon usable by Paladins that isn't a sword.
So you pointing to the Polearm is entirely pineappleing stupid, pointless, and entirely out of the context to which you were responding.
Congratulations on being utterly pineappleing useless.
Satellite Wrote:140lvl Axes/BWThey won't be anything because they won't exist.
You know, much like the Von Leon Axes and BWs don't exist.
The only reason there are 130 Axes and BWs is because they're simply recolours of the Reverse/Timeless versions.
Satellite Wrote:Also guys, use PMs or save the drama for your mama.Nothing more fun than a hypocrite who stomps in, attempts to insult someone, then stomps off as they say "play nice".
hadriel Wrote:I am very sure more than one person is less than pleased with the way such arguments go. Use the PMs and stop flooding these threads.I'm sorry for disrupting the conversation you weren't having.
Hadriel
Do you do anything other than telling people to stop talking in public in ways that may upset your delicate composure?
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - Satellite - 2011-06-16
You say that I'm insulting, when you are calling everyone "kiddo", "hypocrite", "pineappleing stupid", "useless" etc. etc.
Well THAT is hypocritical.
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - ShinkuDragon - 2011-06-16
hadriel Wrote:I am very sure more than one person is less than pleased with the way such arguments go. Use the PMs and stop flooding these threads.
Hadriel
as aggressive as these sounds, in the end it's an argument, i am not calling his mother out or something, we are discussing about the sets and spears/polearms now, i'll cut this down a lot:
and i agree with satellite, i honestly don't care about your way of speaking, but honestly, it gets boring to see the same pattern every time
>insult/snarky remark adressing the quoted person
>stuff that should be discussed
>another snarky remark
>repeat on next quote
>No rational person in GMS is going to choose anything over the Purple Surfboard, regardless of looks.
em´phazis on rational, didn't i say "some people?" if you can explain to me how rational people went for pure polearm before BB, i'll hand this comment to you.
>That aside, I have no idea what the "ETL" is, but it's inaccurate, as was your statement.
mystake, meant southperry's database, if it's wrong, then report it to eos and you can also tell me how it's wrong instead of just saying it is.
>You still haven't shown that Dark Knights need a Fast Spear, making this comment meaningless.
needed? no, wanted? yes. your idea? take drk's only fast speed weapons away. leave them with slow spears
>Newsflash, slugger:
Sacrifice, with a Normal (6) weapon is faster than both Intrepid Slash and Blast using a Fast (5) weapon. (Booster included to change speeds).
newsflash! it has the crappiest range, and only hits once, whereas a hero ignores chunks of PDR and hits 3 times, with 200% on top of their 1.6 boost to damage. which is for single target (which is all sacrifice has the option of having)
>My point was that Spears were your primary weapon before Big Bang, so I don't get all the whining about "OH NO! POLARMS R OURZ! ARANS CANT HAV!"
they were at ENDGAME, at midgame, the primary weapon was a polearm, omg, a dk/drk using both possible types of weapons availavble to him depending on the situation!
>Pretty sure the Arcglaive is no longer the only option, but thanks for playing.
if you remove all the spear, the top definite weapon would be the PSB (as of current), if you remove the poles, the top definite weapon would be the vip, then the sky would take the lead on chaos
>Which is equally true for %Primary, something that anyone equipping these would have in butt-tons.
But, Captain Strawman, 30 attack isn't the only thing you get; 30% Boss will be better for anyone who has the funds to get this set.
as i said countless times, anyone that has the funds to get this set, will hit 999k with sacrifice, always, people already do it and they don't have w.attk on every equip.
>The original point of the post is irrelevant; my original reply was focusing on a single line.
Not sure why this is even being discussed.
my answer:
The original point of the post is irrelevant; my original reply was focusing on a single line (that you can get the whole dex from the equips).
Not sure why this is even being discussed.
>It's cute the way you not-so-slyly try to tell people what they should be doing.
nexon doesn't even know what it should be doing, lol
>Nexon isn't trying to bury spears; they just have a terrible sense of balance.
They believe that giving spears a meaningless bit of extra attack makes up for a two speed difference.
same as above
"Subpar" is completely subjective and relative, btw. You'd only miss them because you've been spoiled.
it's been 6 years man, i wouldn't consider that "spoiled" more like a defining trait of the class itself
>Yeah, strange the way Nexon stopped making Axes and BWs for new sets (the ones that aren't just recolors).
Maybe because they realized that, due to their current failed system of balancing, any new Axe or BW would either be redundant or inferior to their Sword counter-part.
they would be slow very probably.
anyways, i don't know if you want to drop it off or not, i don't have the stamina khainiwest has for putting up with long walls of text.
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - JoeTang - 2011-06-16
Does being banned from a thread result in an inability to read the thread or only post in it?
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - Blades4hire - 2011-06-16
Question for Fiel that I don't think anyone has answered yet
Do boss damage and total damage on multiple lines of a weapon or on multiple weapons(dagger and katara) now stack?
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - Zienth - 2011-06-16
StarCode10 Wrote:Von Leon
Level: 129
HP: 12,800,000
Physical Attack: 5000
Magical Attack: 2750
Knockback: 99,999,999
WDEF: 60%
MDEF: 57%
Avoid: 144
Accuracy: 225
Revive: Von Leon
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Is Von Leon really nerfed
That Von Leon in question is the one NexonKR showcased during G-Star 2010.
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - Takebacker - 2011-06-16
Blades4hire Wrote:Question for Fiel that I don't think anyone has answered yet
Do boss damage and total damage on multiple lines of a weapon or on multiple weapons(dagger and katara) now stack?
Can't find through data and cubes aren't available in tespia, so we have no way of knowing.
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - Blades4hire - 2011-06-16
Takebacker Wrote:Can't find through data and cubes aren't available in tespia, so we have no way of knowing.
oh, darn
i found this cheap claw with 40% boss damage and i was going to buy it and resell post chaos for profit
not gonna take the risk now xD
also, did anyone notice this?:
Blood Blossom Katara
Katara - Thieves only
Req Level: 130
Req DEX: 160
Req LUK: 400
DEX: +5
LUK: +5
Weapon Attack: +60
Equip tradeblock
Faster(3)
7 slots
Timesplitter Katara
Katara - Thieves only
Req Level: 130
Req DEX: 160
Req LUK: 400
DEX: +5
LUK: +5
Weapon Attack: +60
Equip tradeblock
Faster(3)
7 slots
7 SLOTS
as if kataras arent hard enough to get high attack on already
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - Takebacker - 2011-06-16
That isn't even a risk. It's the closest thing to a sure thing there is.
One slot isn't a big deal when you have two items you can get 30 boss on...
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - SaptaZapta - 2011-06-16
Blades4hire Wrote:Question for Fiel that I don't think anyone has answered yet
Do boss damage and total damage on multiple lines of a weapon or on multiple weapons(dagger and katara) now stack?
As far as I know, they already stack in GMS.
Person in my alliance has a knuckle with two 30% boss lines, and she swears she does 60% more damage on bosses than on regular mobs.
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - Locked - 2011-06-16
SaptaZapta Wrote:As far as I know, they already stack in GMS.
Person in my alliance has a knuckle with two 30% boss lines, and she swears she does 60% more damage on bosses than on regular mobs.
I have a 30% boss dagger and a 30% boss katara. I'll test for you after the SC to get this whole dilemma finished with once and for all.
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - iRyahn - 2011-06-16
Has anyone else noticed ALL the 130 weapons are recolored versions of either timeless weapons or other various weapons? Sorry if it's been talked about before but.. here's some comparisons lol.
polearm
![[Image: Timeless_Diesra.png]](http://www.maplewiki.net/images/8/8f/Timeless_Diesra.png)
![[Image: 01442117.png]](http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/patch/character/01442117.png)
spear
![[Image: 01432087.png]](http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/patch/character/01432087.png)
![[Image: Timeless_Alchupiz.png]](http://www.maplewiki.net/images/b/b4/Timeless_Alchupiz.png)
dagger
![[Image: basilmarket_com-item-3705-1.gif]](http://static.basilmarket.com/item/basilmarket_com-item-3705-1.gif)
![[Image: 01332131.png]](http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/patch/character/01332131.png)
wand
![[Image: wand-timeless-enril-tier.png?w=35&h=35]](http://ayumilovemaple.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/wand-timeless-enril-tier.png?w=35&h=35)
![[Image: 01372085.png]](http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/patch/character/01372085.png)
knuckle
![[Image: Maplestory_Timeless_Knuckle.png]](http://images.wikia.com/maplestory/images/0/0f/Maplestory_Timeless_Knuckle.png)
![[Image: 01482085.png]](http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/patch/character/01482085.png)
bow
![[Image: Archer_Timeless_Bow.png]](http://images.wikia.com/maplestory/images/d/da/Archer_Timeless_Bow.png)
![[Image: 01452112.png]](http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/patch/character/01452112.png)
2 handed axe
![[Image: basilmarket_com-item-3700-1.gif]](http://static.basilmarket.com/item/basilmarket_com-item-3700-1.gif)
![[Image: 01412066.png]](http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/patch/character/01412066.png)
gun
![[Image: gun-timeless-blindness.png]](http://ayumilovemaple.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/gun-timeless-blindness.png)
![[Image: 01492086.png]](http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/patch/character/01492086.png)
claw
![[Image: claw-timeless-rampion.png]](http://ayumilovemaple.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/claw-timeless-rampion.png)
![[Image: 01472123.png]](http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/patch/character/01472123.png)
1 handed axe
![[Image: 1-handed-axe-timeless-budishu.png]](http://ayumilovemaple.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/1-handed-axe-timeless-budishu.png)
![[Image: 01312066.png]](http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/patch/character/01312066.png)
Real creative nexon..
[GMST] [0.99] Chaos - Spongyy - 2011-06-16
SaptaZapta Wrote:As far as I know, they already stack in GMS.
Person in my alliance has a knuckle with two 30% boss lines, and she swears she does 60% more damage on bosses than on regular mobs.
Pretty sure that 30% boss on dagger and katara don't stack in GMS based on personal experience (recubed my katara recently to 30% boss and noticed no effect).