KajitiSouls Wrote:Careful what you say. Them druids are mighty touchy and they may sue you for stealing their ideas of a Treant.

Besides, Maokai has a beard. Your argument is invalid.

Unleashing Wrote:Meh i don't see it, never had problems against her unless someone mass fed her earlygame when solo queueing.

GreyorGray Wrote:You just haven't encountered any good Eve's yet. Honestly a smart Eve will fk up your jungler, buy oracles for your invis / regular wards, stack mejai (easy stacks when it's such an easy task ganking with 50 second stealth..), basically starve your team of gold not just from you spending trying to counter her but the fact that you're too scared to leave the base of your turret.. Even at the base of your turret if she's 6 she wont hesitate to help gank you since as long as you die she gets out alive (ty ultimate).

Unleashing Wrote:If the enemy team has an eve that's ganking, get some invis wards then o.o.
That's what i do for jungling, i pop an invis ward at the blue spawn and if she tries to gank me i have mid and top/bottom ready to help me out since they stand there till creeps spawn. Gotten firstblood like that a ton of times.

Unleashing Wrote:As i said, i haven't had any problems with eve, why? Because i know how to counter an eve.
I'm a jungler always and i've never had a problem with eve.
Believe me i've met great eves, but she's weak and underpowered. Her earlygame is good, but her lategame sucks ass. She barely contributes to teamfights.

If the enemy team has an eve that's ganking, get some invis wards then o.o.
That's what i do for jungling, i pop an invis ward at the blue spawn and if she tries to gank me i have mid and top/bottom ready to help me out since they stand there till creeps spawn. Gotten firstblood like that a ton of times.

GreyorGray Wrote:You're playing bad Eve's.

1. When I said ganking while your jungling i'm not talking about specifically the level 1 gank on your blue buff. I'm speaking about anytime throughout the game that you are around cleaning your jungle. You do not drop an invis ward every buff you attempt to take and if you do, my point has just been proven she is forcing you to spend hundreds - thousands of gold just to counter her alone. Also if Eve is coming to gank you at blue alone then she's retarded the entire team should be part taking in counter jungle ganks at lvl 1.

2. Eve's late game is not weak. She assassinates carries / squishies in 1-3 hits (she is a nuke after all). Any damage she recieved is then replenished due to her ult. People say WW sucks in team fights too, is it true? hell the fk no he's an amazing team fighter if you know what you are doing.

3. Eve counters your counter with an oracles of her own, where's your counter then? It's feeding her back the gold she used on the oracles. Also you're forgetting her own team mates can buy invis wards as well and kill your wards.

There is a reason Riot is reworking stealth. They stated themselves she forces passive play and costs too much gold to counter compared to that of other champions.


EDIT : Wow hold up. Seriously you play on the EU servers and you talk like this about Eve? One of your top players in the EU mains her....... Smite/Revive combo started from "Soraka Bot" I believe his alias was.. Seriously you are very misinformed. I used to think Master Yi and Jax were by far the worst hero's in all of LoL because of how many users played him and fail at him. That is not the case, I've started to encounter more skilled players who actually know what they are doing and let me tell you both of them are amazing if used correctly.

Unleashing Wrote:There's a ton of eves in the EU but i've never had a problem with them.
Sorry but i'm from DotA, stealth comes from an item here and is seen as a "meh" thing for me.
I've never had problems with stealths. And sorry but if eve gets oracle, you just find her, gank her and that oracle is gone.
And i didnt call eve weak, i said she's no good in teamfights. Which she isn't she can gang but int he middle of a teamfight she's not doing much. Also mostly when i play we play an AOE team and i play as malphite rammus and amumu. Eve has never been a problem to me and never will be as it is, can be single matches where she gets uberfeed from a noob, but i can't help that and that doesnt prove that eve's skill.

Also i didnt just mean level 1 ganks, i always got red and or blue warded with an invis ward when playing vs evelyn in the first 15~20 mins. I'll also get oracle fast.

Phoenix Wright Wrote:People still build Eve AP?

./confused

GreyorGray Wrote:More so than ad. I actually prefer ap than ad because of the burst. ad is just dps really, both good but i rather burst on a squishy than continously hit them.

Phoenix Wright Wrote:The problem I find with AP is that it seems to partially rely on Mejai's and after that initial Ravage it's damage output is kind of balls, even with Lichbane, and that it kinda drifts off into not-as-goodness late game.

Built as AD, she scales much better and she's pretty much like a Master Yi with stealth and a stun, and the armor reduction plus the ridiculous attack speed(1.1 base at level 18 and 100% on her ult, iirc) plus the Triforce procs = rapid, endless pain to any squishy you decide pick on. Throw in a Black Cleaver and you get to do true damage or more to any squishy carry (71 armor reduction + 15 in armor penetration runes = 86 armor negated). That's enough to easily bring most DPS/Casters below 0 armor, even moreso if you get extra armor penetration.

madanthony Wrote:Played a practice game with Corki. Madgusta. Any one have thoughts on AP vs AD on him? Leaning AD, but both seem viable and I'll probably get down builds for both.