IImaplers Wrote:But that doesn't seem to have to do anything with the gap between the rich and poor. Also, I'd argue that someone who can fund themselves to max damage without spending any real money may have it a lot easier than someone who does so by actually spending a significant amount of real money. When you can become godly without spending a dime, without contributing nothing to help the company distributing the game, what right do you have to complain about things being unfair in the game when your entire success was based upon 'not-pay-to-win'? It's analogous to a player taking steroids in baseball, getting paid millions without anyone suspecting it, and then complaining about steroids being illegal. I find it hypocritical, just as someone eluded to earlier in the thread.

Curtiss Wrote:But the thing is time does equal money or else a lot less people would be trying to sell NX for mesos. Besides, I'm saying limgoon isn't hypocritical on the basis* that he worked hard for his damage and then complained that there's a gap since regardless of damage he's certainly put in way more time than some rich person buying godly gear off the bat when said rich person did not originally work just to buy Maple equips.

Additionally, that he got most of his funds from mesos doesn't mean he necessarily got it all without spending some real money here and there.

*Mind you, I don't know how exact this is but I would take the word of a KMS player over my own on this matter.

Curtiss Wrote:I don't know why you keep saying 'word it as I wish' as if that's something that matters in this argument. I'm just saying that Limgoon is not advocating anything or preaching a virtue in his quitting speech so by the definition of what constitutes a hypocrite he can say those things, hate it and quit without being one since he's acting consistently with what he says: Maple Story sucks, the gap is too big, I'm now at the part where I might not get any further so I might as well quit when I've beaten the toughest boss. The italics denote what I make of his words, he's basically at the point where he thinks he's going to have to actually spend a couple hundred bucks if the new boss is out and he's finally at the point where the hardest boss is down and going further might compromise his ideology so he checks out.

CarrionCrow Wrote:Hurr durr. From the original post:

"here's the blogpost saying he hates the gap between the rich and the poor.
http://blog.naver.com/PostList.nhn?f...&currentPage=7

"Maple is created without thought", or something along those lines."

If that is not his reasons, you'd have to take it with the creator of the thread.

Alloy Wrote:And I'm saying that if you give nexon money for being injust, they'll just be more injust. Being the giver Limgoon or whoever.

Curtiss Wrote:I'm going to tell my 17 year old self to feel guilty for all the screw-ups with MapleSEA now because I didn't realize my female Archer would look bald with the level 35 hat and I had to fix it. That's the last post I'm making in this topic because apparently now Limgoon's hypocritical if he quit while spending real money or he's fake if he quit even though he funded himself with mesos, and that's ridiculous because while a lot of players may have spent enough to make Maple the game it is now, there's no chicken before the egg hatches.

That's the last I have to say since I originally came back to post just to address the point about hypocrisy so please do not quote or mention me.

Alloy Wrote:I'm quoting you because I think you misunderstood my point entirely. Also I'm not going offensively, so you shouldn't go defensively.

What I'm just saying is that if you go out of the just price for the game is when their ego grows too much. Personally, I don't see this game worth a cent at its current state, because it makes me feel like about to quit at every moment. And so, I didn't spend a cent YET. If I see change in the proper direction, I could end up paying what I consider. Some people like it more, and spend a bit on it, that's respectable (like your case right here it seems). Spending around 20$ on a game is the average nowadays, even 60$ on some cases for some people.

But if you make the developers see you happily spent 500 dollars on a game like this, they'll keep raising the bar, no doubt.

Just don't think this is personal. I'm not calling names, and if I assumed Lim Goon payed them so much, is because this game is broken as it is, and it's practically impossible to reach that cap without spending copious ammounts of money.

And if you don't read this, it's ok with me too.

Jared Wrote:Your point is easily made and appreciated--I think most people would agree with you--but the problem is that the logic used as its basis is flawed.

There are a few things to consider when delving into the rabbit hole of that post, principle among which, I think, is the fault in making a handful of wealthy players the precipice for the developer's action. What you've stated is undeniably true, in that seeing positive financial gain influences the content and direction of it, but frankly I think you've given Nexon as a corporation and development house too much credit. The core values and goals aren't as much a result as they are the seed--they examine profit models based in microtransactions and use the ones that stick. A handful of players shoveling out tons of money isn't secure enough--a burst gain, at most--and, as such, it's the adoption of the wide audience that really determines the success of these strategies.

I really do see your point and how it's valid, but insinuating Nexon's myopic enough to focus their attention like that... I don't know, it just doesn't seem like it works to me. Nexon screws up the game, but they tend to carefully straddle the line between game-breaking and just unfair. I personally view it as their financial strategy--push the model to the limits of acceptance, redact what needs to be redacted, modify what works slightly, and continually incentivize the wider audience with elements that encourage power creep. This is that "raising the bar" issue you brought up, and it's a very real problem, though I think culpability lies with the mass audience that most times doesn't know what's being pulled over their eyes.

I mean, look at the game's general audience and age range. That's why the game's become what it has.

Alloy Wrote:I have to fully agree with that, but at the same time, I stand by my point because we, as a consumer base, only have the choice of how much we spend to impact on said treatment. Yes, they went the wrong way, and can get away with it, because the same 10% of the people will still spend ridiculous ammounts of money. Until it goes too far at least.

SaptaZapta Wrote:They're not getting away with it. Their profits are going down. Hell, their revenue is going down, as of the last financial report I saw. The 10% or 1% of the people are spending increasingly ridiculous amounts, but overall customer spending is less. Hopefully it will make them change direction.

Maigun Wrote:I think it's really cool that one of the most funded, strongest and popular Maplers is the one acknowledging the fact that Nexon really puts in no thought when it comes to the unfunded community, or just the game in general.

Jigsaw Wrote:Yeah but it doesn't fit with his past actions: why did he spend a MASSIVE amount of real money to get where he is if he really felt that way? Did he just wake up one day and suddenly saw MapleStory for what it really was? Or has he always known, and found it easier to shut his eyes to the problem and spend money, hoping one day the game will get better?

Mazz Wrote:Why are you assuming he spent a massive amount of real money? Did you read the thread?

Jigsaw Wrote:If you mean the previous posts, no. Time or money: it doesn't matter. They're both precious commodities.

Jigsaw Wrote:If you mean the previous posts, no. Time or money: it doesn't matter. They're both precious commodities.

Curtiss Wrote:Hey there, I used to make the same assumption about limgoon too since it seemed impossible that he was able to achieve maximum range without investing much money, but as your premise hinges on him spending real money like water it does matter since your point isn't valid even if he used some time, given that he likely still invested a lot less time than we'd think he needed to.