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Death to the Bishops - Satellite - 2010-06-20
I doubt supporting role at bosses is going to save Bishop class.
Most people are gonna quit Bishop.
Why?
1. DK
are really important at bosses because of HB and they also can deal decent dmg. Is there alot of DK? No.2. 3rd job skills wont get bishop anywhere, Nexon can't boost damage of shining ray because it would lead into Priest being overpowered 3rd job class.
3. 4th job skills... BB is useless skill because of a cooldown, dmg and other stuff. Angel Ray hits one monster.
Okay now we know that Bishops can't solo effectively and boss runs are not gonna save the class. How about supporters role in a training party?
1. EXP... It's horrible and even worse with this new 80:20 party formula. Soloing even as bad as it is, is still better than party.
2. HS mules leech no EXP and you have full control over them.
Now question is... Who wants to play a class that unlike DK
has no future outside bosses?
Death to the Bishops - Duelman - 2010-06-20
God damnit I think we are doomed to train with heal again :/
Death to the Bishops - DeanNim - 2010-06-20
Tikey Wrote:Dang, that person has some sick control.
Ive been watching his video since forever. His controls and samage is awesome. I like f/p ams because it was the second mage i created and idk why but i just like it better then I/Ls even before F/Ps were made stronger.
Death to the Bishops - holyforest - 2010-06-20
Satellite Wrote:I doubt supporting role at bosses is going to save Bishop class.
Most people are gonna quit Bishop.
Why?
1. DK
2. 3rd job skills wont get bishop anywhere, Nexon can't boost damage of shining ray because it would lead into Priest being overpowered 3rd job class.
3. 4th job skills... BB is useless skill because of a cooldown, dmg and other stuff. Angel Ray hits one monster.
Okay now we know that Bishops can't solo effectively and boss runs are not gonna save the class. How about supporters role in a training party?
1. EXP... It's horrible and even worse with this new 80:20 party formula. Soloing even as bad as it is, is still better than party.
2. HS mules leech no EXP and you have full control over them.
Now question is... Who wants to play a class that unlike DK
Nexon would not make a class untrainable...I'm just going to leave that with you.
Death to the Bishops - Dusk - 2010-06-20
Cyanne Wrote:The other video that person made with the F/P balance patch changes was really amazing too. Reminded me of jumpcasting explosion at gigantic vikings off ledges when misting there, that was really fun. The new explosion speed letting you hit multiple lanes at time temple is amazing. Really made me want to play my old F/P AM again.
Here's the direct link to it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arjUBfmk_IA
It'd be cool if angel ray worked like fire arrow and shining ray had a larger range and could be casted while jumping.
That video makes me want to make an F/P. I didn't know Explosion's range was improved by that much. If they fix mages so that they're not completely terrible at bossing, I will definitely be interested in playing one.
Death to the Bishops - Bribery - 2010-06-20
Cyanne Wrote:The other video that person made with the F/P balance patch changes was really amazing too. Reminded me of jumpcasting explosion at gigantic vikings off ledges when misting there, that was really fun. The new explosion speed letting you hit multiple lanes at time temple is amazing. Really made me want to play my old F/P AM again.
Here's the direct link to it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arjUBfmk_IA
It'd be cool if angel ray worked like fire arrow and shining ray had a larger range and could be casted while jumping.
I've always admired that guy for his training methods. That video was amazing. However, his neutral damage is very low so I have to wonder how fast that sort of method would be at other training spots. I hope videos of Arch Mages/Bishops training with these updates surface eventually.
Death to the Bishops - shouri - 2010-06-20
Satellite Wrote:I doubt supporting role at bosses is going to save Bishop class.
Most people are gonna quit Bishop.
Why?
1. DK
2. 3rd job skills wont get bishop anywhere, Nexon can't boost damage of shining ray because it would lead into Priest being overpowered 3rd job class.
3. 4th job skills... BB is useless skill because of a cooldown, dmg and other stuff. Angel Ray hits one monster.
Okay now we ASSUME that Bishops can't solo effectively and boss runs are not gonna save the class. How about supporters role in a training party?
This is really bad assumption based very few premises 0.o Also, Big Bang doesn't have a cooldown, it has a charge up. You can cast Big Bang without having to wait for any period of time.
1. EXP... It's horrible and even worse with this new 80:20 party formula. Soloing even as bad as it is, is still better than party.
2. HS mules leech no EXP and you have full control over them.
Now question is... Who wants to play a class that unlike DK
Once again, horrible assumption. While it seems that way, you've yet to see if any bishops actually are able to train decently. While it does indeed seem bad for them, you make it sounds as if there's some sort of absolute proof that this is the case.
Death to the Bishops - Bribery - 2010-06-21
Kinda depressing:
[video=youtube;8pJlrk3RIwI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJlrk3RIwI[/video]
Posted by Pride in another thread.
The criticals are nice and all but Shining Ray being their main attack doesn't do them any justice. It needs a range and speed boost badly.
I was hoping to see Teleport Mastery but I didn't notice it at all during the video.
Death to the Bishops - holyforest - 2010-06-21
Bribery Wrote:Kinda depressing:
[video=youtube;8pJlrk3RIwI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJlrk3RIwI[/video]
Posted by Pride in another thread.
The criticals are nice and all but Shining Ray being their main attack doesn't do them any justice. It needs a range and speed boost badly.
I was hoping to see Teleport Mastery but I didn't notice it at all during the video.
It's there, I saw it. He wasn't even using Angel Ray, which is going to be even more strong than HA.
Death to the Bishops - Joe.2 - 2010-06-21
holyforest Wrote:It's there, I saw it. He wasn't even using Angel Ray, which is going to be even more strong than HA.
What worries me more than that shitty damage is the misses.
Death to the Bishops - Cactuar - 2010-06-21
Looks like they screwed up the damn MACC formula. I mean, seriously screwed up. Gotta agree with them needing more damage, though, but maybe dragon'd be useful?
Death to the Bishops - Bribery - 2010-06-21
Angel Ray won't exactly speed up his training since Shining Ray outdamages it on 2+ monsters. I hope maxed Bahamut makes up for it.
If Bishops are going to train that slow, they should at least give us some sort of "Advanced" Holy Symbol in 4th job so that parties have a reason to choose a Bishop over a HS mule.
Death to the Bishops - Five Second Pose - 2010-06-21
Bribery Wrote:I was hoping to see Teleport Mastery but I didn't notice it at all during the video.
All the stuns were from Teleport Mastery.
Death to the Bishops - Bribery - 2010-06-21
Rayquaza2233 Wrote:All the stuns were from Teleport Mastery.
Oh I didn't even notice the stuns the first time xD
Death to the Bishops - shouri - 2010-06-21
Oi that's horrid. Would this be reason for bishops to go for big bang right after bahamut?
Death to the Bishops - LegendGospel - 2010-06-21
Bishops look just boring now. ZOMG WAIT we get Big Bang at 4th job? pomegranate news, so we're gonna be like other mages except without 4th job mob skills, we're stuck to a slow 3rd job mobbing skill, which still has that horrible animation.
I'm kinda glad by Bishop is 158 now. If we get no further balancing, I'm gonna quit him and use him only for boss runs to make money, which is the only thing he's gonna be good for. Any melee job will train faster at Skeles, and they would prefer a HS mule over me since I'll take ages to kill. Solo play? I don't feel like it, never felt like it with Genesis, can't feel like it now.
Guess I could still level at Zakum arms if I need skill points. Bishops just went from the fastest leveling class to the slowest leveling class.
Death to the Bishops - shouri - 2010-06-21
Go look at the "massive boost" thread~
AR now hits 4. SR got buffed and so did bahamut.
Death to the Bishops - LegendGospel - 2010-06-21
Disregard that, I came.
Bishops = fun. I'll play mine till my fingers fall off.
Death to the Bishops - shouri - 2010-06-21
LegendGospel Wrote:Disregard that, I came.
Bishops = fun. I'll play mine till my fingers fall off.
They just need to buff AR's cruddy 120% range to 180, mayhaps 200?
Death to the Bishops - holyforest - 2010-06-21
I'm glad they gave Bishops the power to attack freely by moving around the map. Now all those lazy people who want to stand in one spot and train will actually have to use more buttons on their keyboard.