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About Elemental wand - randompeep - 2008-08-26
He means better damage for half the MP.
Bishops already get all these supporting skills to aid themselves, too. AMs get, what, Medi? +20 MATK, oh I'm so scared! And yes, the staves did help AMs, but only a very little bit.
I'll compare the 163 staves with a Dragon Wand.
D. Wand- ~123
Ele. Staff- 181 (that was the only one I could find)
Thats about 3x Medi? Wow, big boost. If the elemental effect was added, you add a quarter of your MATK to your damage, plus that 3x Medi extra magic attack. and that was a bad staff, too.
However, Bishops can use these wands without penalty, making any advantage null and void.
edit: @Technolink: Yeah, AMP ups power, at 2x the mp. The NLC pots fill the mp gap, but for that much mp and time, Bishops do 2 Genesis spams, so there is still a damage gap. Yes, NL damage could be nerfed, but considering that Nexon handed them a 30 atk star, (albeit a hard to get one) I don't expect it to.
About Elemental wand - Kabanaw - 2008-08-26
Technolink Wrote:Cheap pots or elemental bonus.
Please pick. I for one say cheap pots because EVERYONE benefits. If they make this tMS everyone would have expensive pot prices.
C'mon, you already have AMP which makes up for the speed and 'weakness' of your summons vs bishop. Your pretty much on equal footing, don't get power hungry.
Now L7 formula needs some dex in it and we're all good!
For the love of god, stop saying that we shouldn't get elemental weapons because of NLC pots
Stop assuming that the only thing that these would be used for is training. Personally, if I had to choose, I would coose the lightning staff for bossing because training is already fast enough already -_-
About Elemental wand - godofturtles - 2008-08-26
LOL I'd like to know how many opinions would be different if these weapons did work. This dumb NLC pot arguement wouldn't even exist. Now the bishops instead of saying "HAHA IN YOUR FACE" are trying to be even more insulting by suggesting some reasons why we don't even deserve them. Wow, just wow, if its not one thing its another.
About Elemental wand - randompeep - 2008-08-26
It would be twice, if not more, the trouble if NLs should ever get weakened. ._.
About Elemental wand - Russt - 2008-08-26
Calvinist Wrote:The supporting class isnt stronger than AMs. Only they're full screen attack is more efficient than an AM because of the current maps available.And 99% of mages spam said full screen attack to train.
Calvinist Wrote:Once Arch Mages get better maps things will change, but it's not something to obsess over.135% stronger (more like 120% due to the base attack difference), 200% more expensive. Maybe when attacks were 50 MP a cast that was a good trade-off, but not 3500.
Calvinist Wrote:And I'll say it again - these staves have helped AMs regardless of there being a elemental bonus on it or not! AMs can now be much stronger than what they were before.Suppose, for some ludicrous reason, Nexon decided that everyone in the game would have a permanent +10% damage boost. Yay, AMs are stronger than they were before.
Strength is relative.
Calvinist Wrote:Finally, the same thing goes, if you wanted a character thats easily accepted into bossing/parties then a bishop would have been a wiser choice. Only one job of each class is usually dominant of getting chosen into parties.I wanna revise that a little...
"If you wanted a character that's easily accepted into bossing/parties, levels faster, is cheaper to maintain, and does everything in general better, then a bishop would have been a wiser choice."
That's pretty much how it stands right now.
About Elemental wand - Harrisonized - 2008-08-26
I think the reason everyone's pissed is that Nexon didn't announce that the elementals wouldn't have a bonus. If they had, then certain people wouldn't have spent $100s to gach one.
It's those people driving the anger, but then again, it's also their fault for not researching after the people who already gached one declared that it didn't work.
About Elemental wand - Stereo - 2008-08-26
Technolink Wrote:C'mon, you already have AMP which makes up for the speed and 'weakness' of your summons vs bishop. Your pretty much on equal footing, don't get power hungry.
Why should Arch Mages pay 2x MP to be on an equal footing?
That's not why they spent 30 SP in 3rd job either...
About Elemental wand - Cactuar - 2008-08-26
Wait just one god damn minute here people. Has anyone seen screen shots of this letter? Did the guy open up a ticket and hear this? Where was this first stated?
As far as I've seen, none of that has happened. So, why the hell are people whining about it? Fiel and Isaac both said that they have the data to do it.
Of course, I could completely eat my words if someone showed me a screen shot of this being said.
About Elemental wand - randompeep - 2008-08-26
Well I have nothing on the ticket, but lol to the "Fiel (of another forum)" thing on the Leprechaun glitch.
We're really getting around if "southperry.net" is not allowed on Nexon forums.
(ok maybe not, but still)
About Elemental wand - Russt - 2008-08-26
Cactuar Wrote:Wait just one god damn minute here people. Has anyone seen screen shots of this letter? Did the guy open up a ticket and hear this? Where was this first stated?
As far as I've seen, none of that has happened. So, why the hell are people whining about it? Fiel and Isaac both said that they have the data to do it.
Of course, I could completely eat my words if someone showed me a screen shot of this being said.
Stolen off a lolbasil thread
![[Image: gggms.jpg]](http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t304/arkangel421/gggms.jpg)
About Elemental wand - IsaacGS - 2008-08-26
Russt Wrote:stolen from basil? because I place so very much trust in their accuracy. :/Stolen off a lolbasil thread
Why doesn't someone here submit their own ticket? I'd be much more willing to trust that.
Still, the elemental amplifiers are in the weapon data, the names purely indicate that they have some attribute, and they really don't serve a purpose without it.
What's really going on, in my eyes, is that they are simply forgetting to enable the server (or would it be the .exe? I'm not sure.) to understand how the element amp works on weapons. That is to say, It's not intentionally disabled but rather disabled by mistake from a failure to adjust how weapon data is read.
About Elemental wand - Cactuar - 2008-08-26
Russt Wrote:Stolen off a lolbasil thread
It's missing the ads to the left.
Well, since they have an SS of that, I have an SS of a GM admitting that they are meso sellers and it's okay. Let me get it for you!
About Elemental wand - Russt - 2008-08-26
-shrug-
I've heard several accounts of this and not just on Basil. This thread, for one.
Edit: Which ads to the left? I just went to the Nexon website and the left side looks exactly the same as in the pic if you scroll down some.
About Elemental wand - randompeep - 2008-08-26
Just logged a ticket. Please wait.
BTW, how do you make a pic of a website? I need to know how to post the tic up. Otherwise, it's up as a text file.
About Elemental wand - Russt - 2008-08-26
Print Screen, open MS Paint, paste.
About Elemental wand - randompeep - 2008-08-26
kthnx. ^_^ [/nubtalk]
About Elemental wand - Hazzy - 2008-08-26
Technolink Wrote:C'mon, you already have AMP which makes up for the speed and 'weakness' of your summons vs bishop. Your pretty much on equal footing, don't get power hungry.
A third increase in your damage for double the price?
Would you pay twice your current rent for only a third more space? <_<
About Elemental wand - Blankout - 2008-08-26
Russt Wrote:Print Screen, open MS Paint, paste.
Or you can download a screenshot program, so all you have to do is press a button and the screenshot will be taken and saved.
About Elemental wand - Stereo - 2008-08-26
IsaacGS Wrote:What's really going on, in my eyes, is that they are simply forgetting to enable the server (or would it be the .exe? I'm not sure.) to understand how the element amp works on weapons. That is to say, It's not intentionally disabled but rather disabled by mistake from a failure to adjust how weapon data is read.
More likely they didn't know it had the extra properties in the data, I mean they also forgot to include a hitbox in the KB animations of almost every monster in the Haunted Woods, as well Extra D's data is messed up and it's probably cause they copy-pasted badly. As far as I recall, there are at least 2 items where the stats are typoed and they haven't fixed those either (green jester is missing mdef, and Dark Lucida is missing a fame requirement, because the properties are spelled wrong)
-> http://www.southperry.net/database/Character/Coat/01041124.img/index.html
regPOP should be reqPOP
-> http://www.southperry.net/database/Character/Cap/01002036.img/index.html
incMMD should be incMDD
I can see why people would expect them to work the same as other versions though, I mean they're even named Elemental.
About Elemental wand - Cactuar - 2008-08-26
Russt Wrote:-shrug-
I've heard several accounts of this and not just on Basil. This thread, for one.
Edit: Which ads to the left? I just went to the Nexon website and the left side looks exactly the same as in the pic if you scroll down some.
Err, I meant to the right.
Anyway, here's the SS I promised:
lolstolenfrommyself
![[Image: gmsaysgx3.jpg]](http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1282/gmsaysgx3.jpg)
I apologize, it was a rather long reply. That GM used way too much white space.
Edit: BBS tags, I'm terrible with them.