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because the CS won't affect gameplay... - bio9205 - 2008-12-23
Devil Wrote:Maple in 3~5 years:
- Maple Equilibrium Pendant: (Yes, I choose my names well...) - 25k NX / 90 days
-- Level Req 0
-- Watt +100
-- Matt +500
-- All stats +100
-- Avoid +100
-- Accuracy +100
-- Wdef +500
-- Mdef +500
-- Speed +40
-- Jump +23
- 10x Exp Cards
- 10x Droprate Cards
- Platinum Meso Bags (100m mesos for 20k NX)
Really... this is not some wild fantasy, it's coming... one day...
It's all Nexon America is aiming for, a free to logon game, where you totally SUCK when you don't pay...
Oh, and offcourse, yeah you don't HAVE to buy it, so stfu if you don't want it... (sarcasm...)
Thats IF people are still stupid enought to get scammed by Nexon in 3~5 years
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - JakeAndBake - 2008-12-23
At least it's just 1. wait till Nexon charges for a +20 ring
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - kleptophobia - 2008-12-23
In defence of the complainers: The ring will totally mess up damage ranges. Now they'll have to have a "no NX items on clause". Or universally add that into their ranges, or it just is not fair. But I suppose MTS fixes this to an extent. I use NX, primarily for 2X but I get a cheap outfit usually too. I don't want to add another 3.3K NX just to keep up with other competitors. I don't know, maybe they will make a 100HP/MP ring, and then maybe I'll have to level more to fight certain bosses. I just don't like the opportunities they are creating...
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - JakeAndBake - 2008-12-23
God, now that they can add stats to CS items, they'll start selling Onyx Apples in the CS
or gold bags of apples, which can be edeemed for 10 apples
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - Johnnywup - 2008-12-24
Nexon has the right to change policy's at any time.
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - Erich - 2008-12-24
It was relesed in KMS too, for a grand price of 600 or 700nx. Nexon here is just trying to sap some exp.
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - Hazzy - 2008-12-24
erich336 Wrote:It was relesed in KMS too, for a grand price of 600 or 700nx. Nexon here is just trying to sap some exp.
They have a funky exchange rate, I think. and why does Nexon want to "sap some exp"?
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - MasPan - 2008-12-24
FelixTM Wrote:But COME ON people. Nexon's never going to make +47593485 stats rings, instant level-up's or CS hacks.
Pets ARE CS hacks. Auto loot, auto-pot, and room to add countless other features - if you remember, auto-pot used to be a hacker exclusive feature, and the multitude of pet items provide for a small-scale item vac (looting away from your character's location is a fairly significant thing, esp in boss runs).
And, as mentioned before, exp gacha provides level ups. And if 1 of each stat isn't a big deal, explain why Spiegelmann Necklaces went for up to 25m CLEAN to characters that couldn't get marbles...that +1 to each stat, esp x4, ESP to a STATless character, can make a HUGE difference. Build that up to, say, a 5 stat ring, and you get +20. I would DEFINITELY call that significant.
Still, I'm more pissed about Gach'able CWK items than this, but, alas, that is a rant for another day.
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - FelixTM - 2008-12-24
This thread is hilarious and pathetic at the same time.
MasPan Wrote:Pets ARE CS hacks. Auto loot, auto-pot, and room to add countless other features - if you remember, auto-pot used to be a hacker exclusive feature, and the multitude of pet items provide for a small-scale item vac (looting away from your character's location is a fairly significant thing, esp in boss runs).
And, as mentioned before, exp gacha provides level ups. And if 1 of each stat isn't a big deal, explain why Spiegelmann Necklaces went for up to 25m CLEAN to characters that couldn't get marbles...that +1 to each stat, esp x4, ESP to a STATless character, can make a HUGE difference. Build that up to, say, a 5 stat ring, and you get +20. I would DEFINITELY call that significant.
Still, I'm more pissed about Gach'able CWK items than this, but, alas, that is a rant for another day.
I KNEW someone was going to say this. KNEW IT. You all have become so predictable that it's sad. Pets are NOT "CS hacks." Goodness that is the most stupid argument I've heard, and it's been passed around many a time by people who love nothing but whining.
The things pets do differ greatly from hacks. Auto-potting can still easily get you killed, it requires pots and planning and does nothing more than pot for you - godmoding frickin' protects you from all damage and makes pots and planning obsolete. Pets having the looting ability is no different than you looting, it's just simply having your pet do it for you - vaccing sucks every frickin' item on the map directly TO YOU. Don't compare helpful (but definitely not necessary) features created for this game to the pathetic little hacks of lazy fags.
The key thing in all of this is that Nexon created the things for the CS and intends for them to be used in their game. Hacks are made by people who'd rather cheat and ruin things for others. Stop trying to compare hacks to ANYTHING in the Cash Shop. That's just retarded. If Nexon wants to go and add an item that gives you godmode, then that's their decision. Would it be a terrible one? Yes. Have they made terrible decisions before? Yes. Not everything is going to go exactly as everyone wants. If you can't tolerate a decision they've made, either quit or find ways to enjoy the game despite it. It's that simple.
Oh, and that "EXP Gach" was a gosh dang frickin' joke. Stop even bringing that crap up. It was a HORRIBLE way to level and costed a CRAPTON to get any significant amount of exp. Now if each coupon gave an instant level, then that'd be pretty screwed up. But guess what? It didn't, and nothing like that is ever going to happen.
And to anyone that thinks they need to get these rings to get the ULTIMATE STAT RANGE in order to compete with everyone, I have nothing to say to you other than tone it the frick down. The reason this idiocy is even occurring is because of how seriously people take this game now. If you wanna increase your stats, get the ring. Be the ultimate stat whore. If you don't want to, then be happy with the things you do have. It's unbelievable how people make it their main focus to be better than others. Stop it, and just the enjoy the game...
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MAIN POINT:
CS benefits are there to make things easier for the player, if they so choose. That's the whole POINT of the Cash Shop. Not a SINGLE thing in the CS is necessary to play and enjoy this game. If you believe otherwise, you shouldn't still be playing MS. If you can't still find enjoyment in this game surrounded by NX users, then MS isn't the game for you - especially if you're too stupid/lazy to figure out how to use the MTS, if NX really matters to you.
The CS hasn't ruined this game. Heck, not even the terrible community has ruined this game. It's still great and easy to find enjoyment in. If you disagree with that, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING?
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - Management - 2008-12-24
Felix pretty much covered everything I've wanted to.
Nexon didn't lie when they said "CS won't affect gameplay." It doesn't affect gameplay. It's still the same, if you don't use the CS. Then again, CS does affect gameplay. Changing the look of your character affects your gameplay. Seeing SMegas on your screen affects your gameplay. Seeing somebody with some queer little animation floating around them affects your gameplay. If you honestly believe that the Cash Shop would have never affected gameplay, then you're stupid to have thought so.
If you don't want your gameplay altered, then don't buy CS items and shelter yourself from the rest of the community.
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - Splinter - 2008-12-24
Johnnywup Wrote:Nexon has the right to change policy's at any time.
Best point made in this thread. Nexon can do whatever they want whenever they want, if they want to give you +1 to all of you stats, they can. The reason is, they don't give a
about what you think, it's about the people who are willing to buy it. There's also the fact that a lot of things have happened over the course of MS' history =/. The thing I see wrong with the people who are talking about +20 stats for 3 months. What if you're a dexless NL with a dragon sleeve. You're ring is going to expire soon that day and you know it, but you don't feel like converting the time if you live elsewhere or you do not care! So, you're starting a horntail run that night and all of a sudden in the middle of the run, you're rings *4* disappear!! You're out 80dex and can no longer wear your items :O Now you can't HT =/ Now you have to spend 50k nx again to get the same thing.
Point - Would you really want to spend 3.3k nx x 4 every 3 months? *to dmg wh0res =p
I also have to agree with what everyone has said. Nexon can do anything now with the opportunity, and it is unfair to NX-less people.
But, It's your story
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - haha01haha01 - 2008-12-24
i STILL dont understand why people rant about a +1. ofcourse that nexon are unfair and cs affects gameplay, but why do you pay so much attention to 1 stat when there are exp gachapons and 2x cards. for me, 1 dex and 1 str is equal to about 1\5 att, which is about 1 more to my max damage. multiply it by the skill %, ill get +5 to my damage.
wooot, now ill be able to hit 15005 instead of 15000.... Not worth it.
also at above posts, why do people call everything a hack. zomg its auto looting, it must be a hack. zomg he jumps higher, must be hack. zomg he is teleporting, hax. zomg bishops can hit the whole screen, h4x.
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - Magus - 2008-12-24
FelixTM Wrote:CS benefits are there to make things easier for the player, if they so choose. That's the whole POINT of the Cash Shop.I'm pretty sure the whole point of the Cash Shop is for Nexon to make their money. Considering how it's a free game, they need funding from some source.
FelixTM Wrote:The CS hasn't ruined this game. Heck, not even the terrible community has ruined this game. It's still great and easy to find enjoyment in. If you disagree with that, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING?I think this is just plain ignorant.
People have the right not to like something that you like.
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - FelixTM - 2008-12-24
Magus Wrote:I'm pretty sure the whole point of the Cash Shop is for Nexon to make their money. Considering how it's a free game, they need funding from some source.
I think this is just plain ignorant.
People have the right not to like something that you like.
Well duh, it's not like they just do it because they love their players. I'm not talking about that, though, and it has little relevance, anyways. We all know Nexon loves money.
And I think you either misread or just misunderstood what I said.
> It's still great and easy to find enjoyment in.
That's referring to the game. It's still a great game and easy to find enjoyment in.
> If you disagree with that, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING?
That's referring to the previous statement. If you disagree that this game is still great and easy to find enjoyment in, why are you still playing?
That's a simple, common sense statement - not a proclamation that everyone has to like what I like.
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - Magus - 2008-12-24
FelixTM Wrote:That's a simple, common sense statement - not a proclamation that everyone has to like what I like.Seemed rather ambiguous to me.
Then again, that may be because I've had to take a lot of your comments with a grain of salt.
In any case:
I feel that this is just the beginning of items like this, but honestly how could you not see it coming?
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - Kaasoljoyyx - 2008-12-24
Magus Wrote:Seemed rather ambiguous to me.
Then again, that may be because I've had to take a lot of your comments with a grain of salt.
In any case:
I feel that this is just the beginning of items like this, but honestly how could you not see it coming?
Again, how does it affect you if someone else uses it and you don't. If any advantage someone has over you bothers you, I wonder how you actually survive in MS. Probably train solo in some random map away from everyone in seclusion.
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - Chompy - 2008-12-24
JakeAndBake Wrote:God, now that they can add stats to CS items, they'll start selling Onyx Apples in the CS
or gold bags of apples, which can be edeemed for 10 apples
Well an APQ ring is really the same thing.
But yes.
They give an advantage to users that pay them.
Which allows them to actually KEEP the game.
Really the MTS system is very generous.
It'd be lame if like 90% of CS was NX only.
But really only like 1% is NX only (which I am fine with).
As long as there aren't GIANT banners and annoying ads I am fine.
Like Avatar Smegas I don't like.
Alot.
Magus Wrote:Seemed rather ambiguous to me.
Then again, that may be because I've had to take a lot of your comments with a grain of salt.
In any case:
I feel that this is just the beginning of items like this, but honestly how could you not see it coming?
As long as it is not NX only it will be EASILY justified.
And if 1 out of 50 things are NX only... well boohoo.
Now I just wish that Nexon would just use all this new and future income to improve the game.
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - Magus - 2008-12-24
Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:Again, how does it affect you if someone else uses it and you don't. If any advantage someone has over you bothers you, I wonder how you actually survive in MS. Probably train solo in some random map away from everyone in seclusion.What?
How does me saying that my think that there will be more items like this warrant that kind of response? Seems you're assuming a bit much.
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - MasPan - 2008-12-24
FelixTM Wrote:This thread is hilarious and pathetic at the same time.
I KNEW someone was going to say this. KNEW IT. You all have become so predictable that it's sad. Pets are NOT "CS hacks." Goodness that is the most stupid argument I've heard, and it's been passed around many a time by people who love nothing but whining.
The things pets do differ greatly from hacks. Auto-potting can still easily get you killed, it requires pots and planning and does nothing more than pot for you - godmoding frickin' protects you from all damage and makes pots and planning obsolete. Pets having the looting ability is no different than you looting, it's just simply having your pet do it for you - vaccing sucks every frickin' item on the map directly TO YOU. Don't compare helpful (but definitely not necessary) features created for this game to the pathetic little hacks of lazy fags.
The key thing in all of this is that Nexon created the things for the CS and intends for them to be used in their game. Hacks are made by people who'd rather cheat and ruin things for others. Stop trying to compare hacks to ANYTHING in the Cash Shop. That's just retarded. If Nexon wants to go and add an item that gives you godmode, then that's their decision. Would it be a terrible one? Yes. Have they made terrible decisions before? Yes. Not everything is going to go exactly as everyone wants. If you can't tolerate a decision they've made, either quit or find ways to enjoy the game despite it. It's that simple.
Oh, and that "EXP Gach" was a gosh dang frickin' joke. Stop even bringing that crap up. It was a HORRIBLE way to level and costed a CRAPTON to get any significant amount of exp. Now if each coupon gave an instant level, then that'd be pretty screwed up. But guess what? It didn't, and nothing like that is ever going to happen.
And to anyone that thinks they need to get these rings to get the ULTIMATE STAT RANGE in order to compete with everyone, I have nothing to say to you other than tone it the frick down. The reason this idiocy is even occurring is because of how seriously people take this game now. If you wanna increase your stats, get the ring. Be the ultimate stat whore. If you don't want to, then be happy with the things you do have. It's unbelievable how people make it their main focus to be better than others. Stop it, and just the enjoy the game...
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MAIN POINT:
CS benefits are there to make things easier for the player, if they so choose. That's the whole POINT of the Cash Shop. Not a SINGLE thing in the CS is necessary to play and enjoy this game. If you believe otherwise, you shouldn't still be playing MS. If you can't still find enjoyment in this game surrounded by NX users, then MS isn't the game for you - especially if you're too stupid/lazy to figure out how to use the MTS, if NX really matters to you.
The CS hasn't ruined this game. Heck, not even the terrible community has ruined this game. It's still great and easy to find enjoyment in. If you disagree with that, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING?
What I meant in my rant was that a lot of the more "useful" items in the CS were inspired by early hacks, either in an attempt to curb hacking, or to prevent hackers from having a huge edge over normal players, NOT that those items were themselves hacks. Basically, that they give similar advantages to what those hacks did. Auto-pot worked in exactly the same way - automatically use X potion when HP is below Z. If you didn't have pots, it wouldn't work. Seeing as there is no MP Godmode, to my knowledge anyway, auto-pot for mana is still necessary for hackers.
For vac being compared to pet loots, I meant in that players can loot items a considerable distance from their character. For lower HP, ranged characters, this can be the difference between profiting at a training spot or dying attempting to loot that multi-million meso item. Item vacs work on the same basic principle - they save time and nab items out of reach of the player.
Finally, people can disagree with a decision without thinking that it ruins everything else for them - I despise 2x experience, but instead of quitting or letting it ruin the game for me, I simply ignore rankings (esp when I realized that there are still PG hackers on them) and train at my own pace. I HATE , absolutely HATE that Nexon decided to put CWK weapons into Gachapon - essentially a slap in my face for the 2 months I put into making my Arcglaive. Did I quit? No, I just, after some initial bitching on my part, toughed it up and moved on. I'll do the same with this, provided that Nexon doesn't take this as a foot in the door to really mess up the balance of the game.
because the CS won't affect gameplay... - Scaeva - 2008-12-24
To the people saying that it won't affect your gameplay if you don't buy it, too bad, but you're wrong. The current 10 year old NX wh0re community we have feeds Nexon America loads of money, more than they need to keep the game alive for another couple of years, and since they want more and more money, they'll keep adding more "game breaking" items to the CS.
More of those items will mean more powerfull characters, which means that NXless will be KSed by some 10 year old that steals his moms credit card a lot more. If you had a hard time training already with all those KSers and hackers we have now, think of what could happen if every NX user would be able to deal 1.5 times the damage that is considered "godly" right now? All the NXless with their "avarage" damage will live in a hell, and they will probably quit, leaving only the immature people.
Sure, you can use the MTS, but not everyone is that smart that they can make loads of mesos and NX of the MTS. Also, I have put lots of items in the MTS(scrolls, with some very good ones too), but I only made ~10k so far. That took me 2 months. Assuming those items will cost 25k or something like that, it would take me 5 months of MTSing to get 3 months of slightly better damage, since a full set of whatever they give stats will cost 10 times as much.
Really, Nexon America has already messed this once so great game up, but if they go on like this, nothing will be left. I'm happy I still have LaTale if I quit Maple.
EDIT: Other reason MTS isn't the solution for NXless people: NX cash cards and bought cash is INSTANT. MTS requires you to wait before you get your cash, if you manage to sell something. It also requires mesos to really use the MTS.