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Lim Goon is done with maple. - LoveVictim - 2013-04-14
Killing the current end game boss is always a great moment to quit. A lot of my friends quit right after we killed Pink Bean here in Windia which was when damage cap was 200k, I wish I had followed them instead of staying attached/addicted.
Though now I do not see why I continue on, I don't even have fun in-game unless my friends are goofing off in BL. Some of the things to do in game is more work than fun. Majority of players are playing for meso and range which is dull to say the least.
But anyways, back to what he apparently said, yeah the gap is large but the game has been more business than content since Big Bang.
Nexon runs a treadmill business where they release content, e-mail all inactive players about their new content, those players come back and try it out for a few days, and then they see prices and remember why they had quit in the first place. Repeat this on every major patch. It will happen with Unlimited in a few months.
I don't think it would hurt Nexon one bit if they were to make a permanent reduction in their Cash Shop game changing item prices, specifically Super Cubes. Something around 40%. It would be like a re-balance of the in-game economy. I am sure players would buy even more NX because things are more affordable and their chances increased (with more cubes). Not sure why Nexon hasn't experimented it yet. They would bring back a lot of old players (and customers), their sales would likely increase, NX rate may even drop down. Well cubed items would be a lot more affordable in game.
Just having a one day sale every few months doesn't cut it. Most people won't buy NX until that specific sale is active, and some get tired of waiting and just tired of everything and leave.
They do that and implement full cash shop trade in game and things would be looking up.
Lim Goon is done with maple. - Abysseon - 2013-04-14
Curtiss Wrote:with someone who does have a fair bit of spotlight like limgoon quitting I can perhaps hope they'll learn something about structuring their bosses..
Given unlimited, I'm leaning more towards nexon to continue finding new ways of getting as much money as they can from the payer base until enough leave the game.
Then they will reveal a new update promising to have learned from past mistakes: Maplestory 2
Lim Goon is done with maple. - Curtiss - 2013-04-14
Abysseon Wrote:Given unlimited, I'm leaning more towards nexon getting as much money as they
can from the payer base until enough leave the game.
Then they will reveal a new update promising to have learned from past mistakes: Maplestory 2
I'M NOT BUYING THAT. Especially not as prices of every damned thing at SEA are too expensive anyway for me to bother and we get shafted in everything.
Lim Goon is done with maple. - KhainiWest - 2013-04-14
So instead of recognizing that one of the most successful maplestory players, decided to quit realizing how the game is simply a never-ending circle of nigh impossible bosses with the only solution is waiting for the next form of cube?
But yeah, let's judge him on the assumption that he suddenly just decided to throw 20 grand at the game and call it a night, let's not point out the fact that one of the few people who actually made it to the top, what people, mindlessly upgrade to strive for, just said "lol it sucks up here".
The real fools are the ones who are still caught in this endless loop of
>Max range
>New boss unbeatable
>New class/New upgrad system
>Boss is defeatable
>Back to beginning.
Lim Goon is done with maple. - valhala556 - 2013-04-14
i think people are done judging Limgoon on how much he spent. Anyway yeah im pretty suprised about this. Idk where this game is heading. I feel like im going to semi quit once unlimited hits. too stupid of an update.
Lim Goon is done with maple. - zantgx - 2013-04-14
its sad but the sooner people realize it the better
this game has no proper balance and its all pay to win
he is def. right about the gap between rich and poor when the majority of players are kids-teenagers VS young adults (18+ with jobs)
if you haven't noticed this game is power creeping http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_creep
Lim Goon is done with maple. - MorbidMagus - 2013-04-14
Sad to find out I wont get to enjoy his videos anymore. Congrats to him on reaching his goal and making it to the "top" beforehand. Can't say I blame him, as someone who constantly obsessed with upgrading equipment and being the best I could be even before potential I can completely understand his viewpoint. It's valid, regardless if he spend tons of money on Maple or not.
This game just isn't what it used to be, unfortunately, and the decline is starting to show.
Lim Goon is done with maple. - OrionTempest - 2013-04-19
Now if only people would stop being so competitive and trying to solo everything, this wouldn't be as much of a problem.
It's stuck-up, elitist jerks who take this as more than just a game that make this "gap" more obvious.
I'm personally fine with the current systems, as it's easy enough to be decent with enough time, effort, and friends. You can enjoy most of the game's content without paying a thing.
The people who make videos and solo everything, however, have made it so that people feel they're weak unless they can solo everything. Elitist brats who belittle and backstab everyone in order to get what they want, as well as refusing to interact with anyone "weaker" than them, doesn't help, though.
Lim Goon is done with maple. - byakugan - 2013-04-19
Jared Wrote:People commonly spend thousands of dollars on hobbies, collectibles, superfluous things in general.
There can be a difference. From most hobbies, there's always something left behind after you quit them. If your hobby is something that requires studying, you're left with the knowledge about it (this one applies to all of them actually), If it is related to phisical work, your body will always remember how to perform them to some extent and you can gain physical strengthening (or injuries), but in MS and videogames in general, the moment you quit, the moment all the time and everything you've spent goes to waste. There are exceptions of course, but unless Limgoon sells all his items/account for real money before quitting, this can be applied or not to him.
Lim Goon is done with maple. - SaptaZapta - 2013-04-19
byakugan Wrote:There can be a difference. From most hobbies, there's always something left behind after you quit them. If your hobby is something that requires studying, you're left with the knowledge about it (this one applies to all of them actually), If it is related to phisical work, your body will always remember how to perform them to some extent and you can gain physical strengthening (or injuries), but in MS and videogames in general, the moment you quit, the moment all the time and everything you've spent goes to waste. There are exceptions of course, but unless Limgoon sells all his items/account for real money before quitting, this can be applied or not to him.
You buy a ticket to a ball game, or movie, or show, or museum, or amusement park, or cruise around the world. You enjoy it for an hour or a day or a week, and then it ends and you have nothing but memories and maybe photos. Rarely, a new friend.
Some people spend hundreds or thousands following their favorite team around the country, or going to the Olympics, or buying a season pass to the opera, or whatever entertainment they enjoy. And they are still left with nothing but memories when it's over.
A few people are rich enough to pay millions for top-billed artists to play a private concert for them. And when it's over, yeah, same thing.
I really don't see how it's anyone's business how other people spend their entertainment budget and/or spare time (as long as they're doing it within the law etc).
Lim Goon is done with maple. - Jared - 2013-04-19
byakugan Wrote:There can be a difference. From most hobbies, there's always something left behind after you quit them. If your hobby is something that requires studying, you're left with the knowledge about it (this one applies to all of them actually), If it is related to phisical work, your body will always remember how to perform them to some extent and you can gain physical strengthening (or injuries), but in MS and videogames in general, the moment you quit, the moment all the time and everything you've spent goes to waste. There are exceptions of course, but unless Limgoon sells all his items/account for real money before quitting, this can be applied or not to him.
Discounting experiences gained is flawed logic. To use myself as an example, I give a substantial amount of credence to the time I've played this game in the various skills I've acquired through learning to be a better player. People who organize boss runs and manage guilds effectively are more common to have good time-management skills, for example. If you're skilled at making enormous amounts of money in game beyond scamming and hacking, you more than likely have a basic understanding of economics to an extent.
Another great benefit that most people don't acknowledge that I personally swear by is the community aspect. Sure, this doesn't apply to anyone, but spending so much time online chatting with others has in many ways influenced my ability to write effectively. There're plenty of folks who could care less, but whether we realize it or not, there are many academically-oriented skills that can be strengthened by playing a game like this.
Focusing simply on the fact that items and equipment attained are ephemeral is missing the point--there's far more to be gained from playing online games realistically than what is only tangible when in-game.
Lim Goon is done with maple. - Jamesie - 2013-04-19
Proxied Wrote:Really? I also share this belief. The gap is EXTREMELY bad, and only gets worse as the game progresses, but am I going to disadvantage myself? No. I know it's unfair, very unfair. I don't like to exist in this game in an unfair manner, but that's what it has turned in to. Most people in a position of high stats in this game also share the same belief. It's just what happens.The simple answer: it's hypocritical.
He profits off of being able to kill bosses that most players can't solo reliably. You don't want to disadvantage yourself? The disadvantage is the 10k-ranged person who can't solo Zakum in time. The disadvantage is not the person with a 999k range who wants to shave a second off of their Zakum time. When you spend thousands of dollars (or have someone else spend money on your behalf) just to shave two seconds off of a really comfortable Pink Bean time, that's not a disadvantage. That's excess. Honestly, I would just categorize that complaint under the people who complain the game is too easy and then proceed to not even try to make it hard.
You're right, there's a gap between the rich and poor. There's really no way to deny it. It's just hypocritical and tacky to complain about it when you profit off of it.
Lim Goon is done with maple. - Jared - 2013-04-19
Jamesie Wrote:The simple answer: it's hypocritical.
He profits off of being able to kill bosses that most players can't solo reliably. You don't want to disadvantage yourself? The disadvantage is the 10k-ranged person who can't solo Zakum in time. The disadvantage is not the person with a 999k range who wants to shave a second off of their Zakum time. When you spend thousands of dollars (or have someone else spend money on your behalf) just to shave two seconds off of a really comfortable Pink Bean time, that's not a disadvantage. That's excess. Honestly, I would just categorize that complaint under the people who complain the game is too easy and then proceed to not even try to make it hard.
You're right, there's a gap between the rich and poor. There's really no way to deny it. It's just hypocritical and tacky to complain about it when you profit off of it.
Is it hypocritical to complain about worldwide poverty levels when someone works for a corporation like Wal-Mart or something? How about any number of people who use Apple devices (or any number of products) produced under poor work conditions overseas, yet when asked would say the labor situation over there is deplorable? Such a point is entirely moot and more or less inhibits objectivity.
Hypocrisy is determined by the perspective of the person using the term, as is the definition of excess.
Formula 1 drivers often are noted complaining about the politics and various transgressions within their sport, however they still make millions upon millions of dollars doing it. As much as being altruistic is fine and good, it's also unsubstantiated when not combined with realistic understanding.
Lim Goon is done with maple. - Proxied - 2013-04-19
Jamesie Wrote:The simple answer: it's hypocritical.
He profits off of being able to kill bosses that most players can't solo reliably. You don't want to disadvantage yourself? The disadvantage is the 10k-ranged person who can't solo Zakum in time. The disadvantage is not the person with a 999k range who wants to shave a second off of their Zakum time. When you spend thousands of dollars (or have someone else spend money on your behalf) just to shave two seconds off of a really comfortable Pink Bean time, that's not a disadvantage. That's excess. Honestly, I would just categorize that complaint under the people who complain the game is too easy and then proceed to not even try to make it hard.
You're right, there's a gap between the rich and poor. There's really no way to deny it. It's just hypocritical and tacky to complain about it when you profit off of it.
I don't see what's wrong with wanting the higher damage aspect of the game to be funner and reachable for everyone while having fun with it myself. I can't provide others with this myself because it is extremely impossible for ME to do anything about it. (Nor could someone like lim goon) The company could do something about it on a much larger scale, but that clearly isn't going to happen, so I do indeed have an issue with there being such a gap regardless of how much money I do or don't make off of it. Would this harm my profit if other people could do the same things as me? Absolutely. I don't really care about this. I would much rather value the community as a whole over my profit as a single player. However, I won't disadvantage myself by not making any profit while I'm currently able to achieve what "unfunded" for lack of a better word people can't(which is what I mean by disadvantaging myself. I wouldn't want to stop making profits to be able to voice my opinion of the problem that there is when it comes to the unfunded-funded gap without it being looked down upon and called hypocritical and whatever just because I'm currently making money off there being such a gap).
You can think it's hypocritical and tacky all you want, but this is my personal belief, and it's not going to change. Although I definitely wouldn't go as far as quitting the game over this issue lol
Lim Goon is done with maple. - MountLag - 2013-04-19
You can be on top of a broken system and still complain about how broken it is. Nothing hypocritical about that.
Lim Goon is done with maple. - hadriel - 2013-04-20
You can be amongst the world's richest, and
Hadriel
Lim Goon is done with maple. - DarkNightSyndrome - 2013-04-21
hadriel Wrote:You can be amongst the world's richest, andcomplain aboutbemoan poverty.
Hadriel
Yes you can, but that would be hypocritical, which means proper alignment of Limgoon's case to the rich-poor concept is:
You can be amongst the world's richest, and bemoan about the unfair systems of the world (taxes and whatsoever, you name it, plenty of those.)
Lim Goon is done with maple. - Stereo - 2013-04-21
DarkNightSyndrome Wrote:Yes you can, but that would be hypocritical, which means proper alignment of Limgoon's case to the rich-poor concept is:
You can be amongst the world's richest, and bemoan about the unfair systems of the world (taxes and whatsoever, you name it, plenty of those.)
No, hypocritical means claiming you're a good person for doing something you don't. It's not hypocritical to complain that MS is unbalanced. It would be hypocritical to say that you're legit when you aren't, and that legit players are the best. Or that duping is bad, while having a bunch of duped items on your account.
Lim Goon is done with maple. - Alloy - 2013-04-21
Stereo Wrote:No, hypocritical means claiming you're a good person for doing something you don't. It's not hypocritical to complain that MS is unbalanced. It would be hypocritical to say that you're legit when you aren't, and that legit players are the best. Or that duping is bad, while having a bunch of duped items on your account.
If you go deeper, you could agree that spending thousands on a videogame with that problem only helps the developers of said game to go on further on said path.
Then, it'd be hypocritical to complain about a problem you help produce.
Lim Goon is done with maple. - JoeTang - 2013-04-21
Alloy Wrote:If you go deeper, you could agree that spending thousands on a videogame with that problem only helps the developers of said game to go on further on said path.
Then, it'd be hypocritical to complain about a problem you help produce.
I hate taxes. I pay taxes. I am a hypocrite.