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Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - Afrobean - 2012-02-15
SNAAAAKEE Wrote:I'm not a lawyer, but I can't imagine an NDA holding up in court since you're essentially signing away constitutional rights. If he did post what happened in the focus testing I doubt anything would come of it, still if he didn't feel comfortable letting us know I would understand.It's not a crime to break a non-disclosure agreement. It's a civil matter. A person who breaks a NDA wouldn't be rounded up by the police and thrown in jail, they'd be sued into the ground by lawyers of the party that made them sign the NDA.
And you can absolutely sign away Constitutional rights when private agreements come into the frame. For example, Freedom of Speech. You give it up when you visit this very forum. Why? Because it's a privately owned forum. Your Freedom of Speech is only protected by the government in the PUBLIC. In private mediums of communication, the owner can decide what's allowed and what is not.
Your slave analogy is also flawed. It is criminally illegal to own a person. It is not illegal at all to tell someone "don't repeat anything I'm about to tell you". A person can agree to either in a contract. One would be easy to get thrown out due to the criminal activity involved, the other would be upheld because it's completely not criminal at all.
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - GhostShip - 2012-02-15
I'd suggest taking a well written, in depth list of problems that need to be addressed. Make sure that it is simply written though. Even if it's just lowly employees with no real power there's a slight chance it could be given to someone with the power to do something about it. For the sake of the game, let's hope this isn't just a useless waste of time filled with morons pandering to Nexon in hopes of preferential treatment.
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - Flonne - 2012-02-15
MuscleWizard Wrote:Hey, if a PR rep is there, can you politely mention that their PR FTP's login info STILL hasn't been taken off that one businesswire article about dragon nest.
Not to mention that months after the fact, the login credentials are STILL valid.
This would be good to mention. Gain their trust, then SWOOP IN FOR THE KILL.
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - Heidi - 2012-02-15
How are they going to enforce the NDA? Somebody could easily anonymously leak stuff, and they wouldn't know who did it.
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - sverreerik - 2012-02-15
Could this be in relation to Maple Story 2?
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - iamflip - 2012-02-15
Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:On the phone, the person explained to me step by step about the whole NDA thing (even though I know exactly what 1 is), but the main reason she said was "if you see stuff in the offices and stuff, then you can't tell people those things"
This would be like future content and stuff, even though it'll most likely be KMS stuff that I already know about. If anyone remembers when a few photos of nexon went public at one time and I think it was showing off edelstein. That sort of stuff is what they want the NDA to protect.
That's good then. We can't wait to hear details about the meeting then. ^^
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - sverreerik - 2012-02-15
I am flip... from MapleTip Windia?!
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - Viaje - 2012-02-15
Afrobean Wrote:And you can absolutely sign away Constitutional rights when private agreements come into the frame. For example, Freedom of Speech. You give it up when you visit this very forum. Why? Because it's a privately owned forum. Your Freedom of Speech is only protected by the government in the PUBLIC. In private mediums of communication, the owner can decide what's allowed and what is not.It never ceases to piss me off when some idiot online spouts, "I can say whatever I want, wherever I want because I have Freedom of Speech."
sverreerik Wrote:Could this be in relation to Maple Story 2?And so it begins...
No, it's not likely to have any relation to Maplestory 2.
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - SNAAAAKEE - 2012-02-15
Afrobean Wrote:It's not a crime to break a non-disclosure agreement. It's a civil matter. A person who breaks a NDA wouldn't be rounded up by the police and thrown in jail, they'd be sued into the ground by lawyers of the party that made them sign the NDA.
And you can absolutely sign away Constitutional rights when private agreements come into the frame. For example, Freedom of Speech. You give it up when you visit this very forum. Why? Because it's a privately owned forum. Your Freedom of Speech is only protected by the government in the PUBLIC. In private mediums of communication, the owner can decide what's allowed and what is not.
Your slave analogy is also flawed. It is criminally illegal to own a person. It is not illegal at all to tell someone "don't repeat anything I'm about to tell you". A person can agree to either in a contract. One would be easy to get thrown out due to the criminal activity involved, the other would be upheld because it's completely not criminal at all.
Thank you for answering that for me instead of just insulting me, as I said before I didn't know for sure and am glad I got a clear answer from you.
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - Eos - 2012-02-15
Even a marketing department will pause and listen if you compare the quality of their game to the quality of other games in terms of stability, safety and trustworthiness.
If the average perception of their game comes across as unsafe, risky, and unstable Marketing most definitely cares about that because their #1 is then to counter that perception anyway they can and look for ways to prove it false. If a focus group can make it clear to them that their continual portrayal of security as "All Your Fault" isn't flying there's a chance of them actually working on fixing it.
It's not a huge chance, but a focus group with a company like Nexon is like playing the lotto; odds of improvement are above zero, you could be the 1 in 10 billion (or no one can win this round).
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - Razmos - 2012-02-15
If indeed all the questions are about marketing and sales, then you could simply reply that you wouldn't buy anything connected to the game until its massive gaping flaws are fixed. If they have reason to believe that the problems are hurting their profits then they would do something about it.
I know some people do that anyway, but someone actually meeting a nexon representative face to face and saying it might be just what is needed. Especially if by some cosmic joke Nexon really doesn't understand a lot of the problems we are having with the game.
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - Leaves - 2012-02-15
Razmos Wrote:If indeed all the questions are about marketing and sales, then you could simply reply that you wouldn't buy anything connected to the game until its massive gaping flaws are fixed. If they have reason to believe that the problems are hurting their profits then they would do something about it.They most certainly do understand.
I know some people do that anyway, but someone actually meeting a nexon representative face to face and saying it might be just what is needed. Especially if by some cosmic joke Nexon really doesn't understand a lot of the problems we are having with the game.
I've said this before - everything that Nexon does (or does not do) has a reason behind it.
Bottom. Line. Profit.
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - Eos - 2012-02-15
Leaves Wrote:I've said this before - everything that Nexon does (or does not do) has a reason behind it.
Bottom. Line. Profit.
Then making it clear to them their behavior limits profit is in everyone's best interest.
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - Raul - 2012-02-15
Viaje Wrote:It never ceases to piss me off when some idiot online spouts, "I can say whatever I want, wherever I want because I have Freedom of Speech."
FIRE!
FIRE!
THERE'S A HUGE FIRE IN THIS THEATER!
QUICK, EVERYONE NEEDS TO LEAVE NOW!
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - Leaves - 2012-02-15
Eos Wrote:Then making it clear to them their behavior limits profit is in everyone's best interest.
Theoretically, yes.
But in reality, the OP will most likely not be able to achieve that. (See: marketing reps working for minimum wage)
Moreover, I am sure Nexon knows that their behavior does limit profit. That being said, they have decided that it does not limit their profit enough to actually warrant changing said behavior.
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - Eos - 2012-02-15
Leaves Wrote:Theoretically, yes.
But in reality, the OP will most likely not be able to achieve that. (See: marketing reps working for minimum wage)
Moreover, I am sure Nexon knows that their behavior does limit profit. That being said, they have decided that it does not limit their profit enough to actually warrant changing said behavior.
Your understanding of marketing reps is rather limited to be honest. Having actually been on the product advisory council for several real world companies and subjected to more market research and focus groups than most of you I can say most of the people I know who do internal market research for multi-million dollar companies are significantly higher placed and have greater say in product direction than you're giving them credit for. They're also far enough removed from their product to find user feedback about how crappy it is surprising because they live in a happy glowy world of perfect scenarios not reality and don't often know what happens when their product is used in suboptimal conditions or experiences external malevolence. It's a highly situational thing and unless you know more about how Nexon structures it's internal divisions than we do you're at best guessing based on how you've seen it done elsewhere, which is honestly not any more relevant than a coin toss.
Bringing it up costs nothing and may make a difference. Silence means status quo, period.
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - Alloy - 2012-02-15
Raul Wrote:FIRE!
FIRE!
THERE'S A HUGE FIRE IN THIS THEATER!
QUICK, EVERYONE NEEDS TO LEAVE NOW!
YOU CAN'T FORCE ME! I HAVE FREE WILL, AND I WILL DO AS I PLEASE.
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - Kaasoljoyyx - 2012-02-22
The real reason we signed that NDA: To prevent us from leaking how bad it really is
If you went, mega facepalms everywhere. The details 'might' get leaked somehow.
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - MasPan - 2012-02-22
Facepalms as in the people running it were ignorant/oblivious or facepalms as in other people in the group were trolling/making stupid demands/requests and wasting time?
Got accepted to Nexon focus group 2/21 <-- Note This Is In The Past - Shidoshi - 2012-02-22
I can't wait to hear from this, "how bad it really is" seems pretty vague. It could mean in relation to their internal security, how the focus group was carried over, the other people who were there, Nexon's idea of how the game's going, etc.
I'm waiting for that possible leak, lol.