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Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - Eos - 2011-12-29
Haseo Wrote:What age are you guys allowed to vote at again? Is it compulsory?
U.S. citizens can vote in the first election after they reach 18, and no, it's optional. Voting is a privilege not an obligation. For some idiotic reason.
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - Mute - 2011-12-29
Panacea Wrote:Sigh.
What's happening to our country?
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - Haseo - 2011-12-29
Eos Wrote:U.S. citizens can vote in the first election after they reach 18, and no, it's optional. Voting is a privilege not an obligation. For some idiotic reason.
Heh, we're not allowed to vote until we're 21. Chill out, it's not that bad if the Republicans try to knock the voting age back a little.
You could always suggest making people who don't vote lose their vote. That's what happens here, it's very effective at making things obligations.
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - Eos - 2011-12-29
Haseo Wrote:Chill out, it's not that bad if the Republicans try to knock the voting age back a little.
They're not trying to knock the age back, that would be universal. They're making it harder for a select set of people which is discriminatory.
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - Haseo - 2011-12-29
Aren't most youngsters students anyway? o_0
I'll go check it out.
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - KhainiWest - 2011-12-29
I'm not really familiar with the concept but aren't they essentially doing what the military does for people overseas? Like have stations for "out of state" voters?
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - Eos - 2011-12-29
Haseo Wrote:Aren't most youngsters students anyway? o_0
I'll go check it out.
Most is not all, and again, this only screws with the ones who are out of state.
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - Sarah - 2011-12-29
Eos Wrote:U.S. citizens can vote in the first election after they reach 18, and no, it's optional. Voting is a privilege not an obligation. For some idiotic reason.Seriously? You deal with idiots constantly and would STILL want obligatory voting? General populous are sheep and vote for the most recognizable names. If they feel like Obama isn't doing a good job then they'll go for the next most recognizable names which would be...
Ron Paul
Michelle Bachmann
and not running but...
Donald Trump
Sarah Palin
It's a damn good thing that it's not an obligation or both our countries would've gone down in flames long ago.
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - Eos - 2011-12-29
Sarah Wrote:Seriously? You deal with idiots constantly and would STILL want obligatory voting?
No no, you have to work with my delusion. In my world where voting is compulsory you're also grilled for hours on the actual policies of each candidate for weeks prior to voting, the candidates have to keep campaign promises and there are no Kardashians.
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - Corazon - 2011-12-29
Eos Wrote:Christian's aren't Zionist either.
Satanists would be Abrahamic, and even more technically, Christian, as well; they've just picked the opposition within that theology.
tldr; Same theology, different deity.
That's not what the Christians/Jews say!
Their theory is that we're just a sh`itty bunch of pagan jerks who deserve to be burned at the stake (not so much modern Christians; Jews appear to be a different story though).
Nevertheless.... voting is something we have a right to do. However, we can choose to not invoke that right, and nobody could tell us otherwise.
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - KhainiWest - 2011-12-29
Eos Wrote:No no, you have to work with my delusion. In my world where voting is compulsory you're also grilled for hours on the actual policies of each candidate for weeks prior to voting, the candidates have to keep campaign promises and there are no Kardashians.
That's the most irrational thing I've heard from you ever. Seriously? Personal responsibility? Did your world manage to find the holy grail too?
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - Corn - 2011-12-29
KhainiWest Wrote:That's the most irrational thing I've heard from you ever. Seriously? Personal responsibility? Did your world manage to find the holy grail too?
He did say "delusion."
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - KhainiWest - 2011-12-29
Corn Wrote:He did say "delusion."
I know, I'm just bandwagoning the mockery.
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - SaptaZapta - 2011-12-29
Corazon Wrote:That's not what the Christians/Jews say!
Their theory is that we're just a sh`itty bunch of pagan jerks who deserve to be burned at the stake (not so much modern Christians; Jews appear to be a different story though).
Nevertheless.... voting is something we have a right to do. However, we can choose to not invoke that right, and nobody could tell us otherwise.
Jews don't believe anyone deserves to be burned at any stake, or otherwise executed for his religion or lack thereof.
Orthodox Judaism is a weird kind of elitist/racist religion, which does not really concern itself with what gentiles believe. If you worship Satan, Christ, Vishnu, Thor - it's all the same, and is unworthy of attention. Obviously, if you actually hurt someone (murder, steal, etc) you are subject to punishment. But then so is a dog that bites a person.
Jews are not required, by their faith, to convert others to Judaism or to eradicate unbelievers. Quite the opposite: anyone trying to convert to Judaism must prove themselves worthy through grueling testing.
On the other hand, anyone born to a Jewish mother who strays from the faith, must be "returned to the fold" by pretty much any means (Although even in this case, burning at the stake is not an option. Dead people can't repent).
I don't know where you're getting your ideas about Judaism, but I strongly suggest you do a bit of research. It's unhealthy to hate so much with so little basis in fact.
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - Exidous - 2011-12-29
Cactuar Wrote:You mean aside from it effectively being a poll tax (illegal as mentioned earlier), preventing people who go to out-of-state colleges from being able to vote unless they have excess cash for transport and voter fraud not really being a problem in the US?My state offers free state ID cards to any resident. If a state (one of which has not been named in this thread) doesn't offer some free means of voting then yes, it could be construed as a poll tax. But I have yet to hear how that's actually the case anywhere. Meat and potatoes is still: how dare you inconvenience the braindead stoned college students who aren't registered - or eligible to be registered - to vote in the state anyway.
Nothing. I mean, yeah I guess if you ignore all of the reasons this is bad then you have a point. :///
If you can't require identification, how do you prevent voter fraud? Say there is no voter fraud? There are no people starving in Ukraine?
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - KhainiWest - 2011-12-29
Exidous Wrote:My state offers free state ID cards to any resident. If a state (one of which has not been named in this thread) doesn't offer some free means of voting then yes, it could be construed as a poll tax. But I have yet to hear how that's actually the case anywhere. Meat and potatoes is still: how dare you inconvenience the braindead stoned college students who aren't registered - or eligible to be registered - to vote in the state anyway.
If you can't require identification, how do you prevent voter fraud? Say there is no voter fraud? There are no people starving in Ukraine?
And what state is that? Each "State ID" has different levels of identification, for example in my state, Maryland, in order to prove residency is if you have a drivers license. I would assume, based on froznlite's input that states aren't that much different in that regard. A drivers license roughly costs between $30-$150 depending on the state.
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - Exidous - 2011-12-29
It's a package deal, if you want to require a particular thing to vote, you probably have to provide it for free to avoid a court calling it a poll tax. Obviously if it requires a "state issued ID" then a state issued ID card (that's not a drivers license) is fine.
So if there are states that are saying you have to have this thing to vote that costs money, it'll probably be struck down. But in and of itself, requiring people to register to vote is not an undue burden on the right to vote. If it is, we're a banana republic already.
Do you have any objections left? Or can I go back to accusing most of you of being pro voter fraud that helps your candidate?
EDIT: Remember the part I was talking about from the original post was disallowing out of state drivers licenses as being valid identification. How much it costs to get a drivers license is irrelevant to this because it may not be the kind of ID that's considered valid anyway.
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - Satellite - 2011-12-29
Corazon Wrote:Actually, I can tell you what's going on with the Repugnicans.As someone with many Jewish friends, I found this post quite offensive.
The Jews have become the very people that oppressed them in WWII. Whenever ANYONE calls them out in any way, shape, or form, they pull the Holocaust shield out and use it to cry "Anti-Semite".
How is this relevant, you ask? Simple: The Repugnicans are a Jewish-owned organization. You'd be hard pressed to find a non-Jewish, non-Christian Republican working in the government, let alone the higher echelons. Their Jewish masters are now demanding that only those that are White, God-fearing, Rich, Straight, and "Mentally sound" be allowed to "vote" (i.e. screw around until they overthrow the Constitution and place a King in the White House).
In other words, the Republicans in office atm are, in fact, true redneck racists. To avoid detection of this fact, they use black men as scapegoats (Cain), and run a false campaign based on propaganda.
A lot of this is exaggerated, probably false, and just my views and opinions on the matter. But Madoka have mercy if what I said is actually true.
For me, if I were an US citizen, I wouldn't vote Republicans simply because I think religion should be seperated from the state/politics. Unfortunately that's not the only thing wrong with Republicans in my opinion. Racistic opinions, homophobia and many other things in republicans, especially tea party, reminds me of a nationalist Finnish party True Finns (or "The Finns"). It disgusts me how so many Finns in the internet love the party. Most of them know nothing about politics and True Finns give them the simple and easy answers for almost every problem, yay for populism. Good part is that most of them are too young to vote anyways.
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - KhainiWest - 2011-12-29
Exidous Wrote:It's a package deal, if you want to require a particular thing to vote, you probably have to provide it for free to avoid a court calling it a poll tax. Obviously if it requires a "state issued ID" then a state issued ID card (that's not a drivers license) is fine.
So if there are states that are saying you have to have this thing to vote that costs money, it'll probably be struck down. But in and of itself, requiring people to register to vote is not an undue burden on the right to vote. If it is, we're a banana republic already.
Do you have any objections left? Or can I go back to accusing most of you of being pro voter fraud that helps your candidate?
EDIT: Remember the part I was talking about from the original post was disallowing out of state drivers licenses as being valid identification. How much it costs to get a drivers license is irrelevant to this because it may not be the kind of ID that's considered valid anyway.
Requirments Wrote:Student ID (apparently few school IDs meet the law's ID requirements) n Tribal ID card
n Following government-issued photo IDs:
- Unexpired driver's license
- Non-driver's ID issued by motor vehicle department
- U.S. passport
- U.S. Military photo ID
- U.S. naturalization documents bearing photo
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/drivers/driver-fees.htm#identification
HMMMMMM. Hey that's winsconsin requirment's who are under this law. See how each state is different, each with different requirements?
Guess it's not so obvious, but ya know, that's the difference between understanding and pretending.
Restricting democracy: Republicans trying to prevent college-age students from voting - Eos - 2011-12-29
KhainiWest Wrote:Did your world manage to find the holy grail too?
Yes. And George Bush Junior's Brain, Obama's Spine, and Carrot-Top's Funniness.