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Americans don't want an atheist president - ImagineAll - 2011-11-09
Eos put it best, so I'll just leave this here:
Eos Wrote:Everything creates fanatics.
Fanaticism can latch onto any concept, whether it's food, a game, a scientific concept or, yes, a religion.
Americans don't want an atheist president - Flonne - 2011-11-09
CrazyForDex Wrote:Religion is imbedded in much the United States pretty deeply, where people actually believe it over science and modern thought. We really live in a confused sad world. Also, I'm not saying that people have to believe in science, as everyone should have a choice of what they want to believe, but they should still be open to new ideas and should evaluate them themselves, rather than just taking the stance of "my religion is the answer, you are full of shi't."Well, yeah, I agree with that. People just can't accept that they are wrong on anything; they refuse to even research the opposing viewpoint because they feel that that somehow undercuts or even invalidates their faith in whatever it is they believe. If they really believed it so strongly they would be willing to test that against the opposing view.
And if they were smart, they would be willing to change their view accordingly and become an actual individual with an individual outlook on life, not a rank and file member of a generic "group".
Americans don't want an atheist president - Satellite - 2011-11-09
Corn Wrote:Considering they have about 2% more religious people than us?
What?
KhainiWest Wrote:Lol sattelite, it's a shame you don't realize how the IRON KNEE loves your balls. You spread more ridiculous slander than any bible thumper I know.All I did was linking a study here, maybe I expressed my worldview too much for some people. Am I really everything you described? You make it seem like you're a "wannabe know-it-all" yourself. If you really don't care about atheists then why does it seem like your blood is boiling over a bit?
I guess I should generalize Atheists just like sattelite. Ya know, entitled, inconsiderate, anti-social, and wannabe know it alls.
What's a Sattelite? I've never heard of that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite
I'll admit my grammar flaw in the first post. I meant to say "the atheists" "the christians", which means, not everyone but only some.
Americans don't want an atheist president - Loose - 2011-11-09
I agree with the Americans. I don't want a President that does not believe in God and is persuaded by devil's tongue.
Thanks.
Americans don't want an atheist president - 0^2 - 2011-11-09
I wouldn't honestly care what race, religion, gender, age, etc. someone is as the president,
as it's not like any combination of the former will be superior to another when nearly
anyone can be corrupted and try to play their misdeeds off as being "Good for the nation".
*WARNING OBVIOUS STATEMENT APPROACHING*
Although more realisticly they were only in it for the personal gain all along.
Americans don't want an atheist president - Nikkey - 2011-11-09
Satellite Wrote:Why do the atheists attack on christians (at forums etc) you ask?You mean the antitheists, not the atheists. The antitheists attack all religions though.
Americans don't want an atheist president - KhainiWest - 2011-11-09
Satellite Wrote:What?
All I did was linking a study here, maybe I expressed my worldview too much for some people. Am I really everything you described? You make it seem like you're a "wannabe know-it-all" yourself. If you really don't care about atheists then why does it seem like your blood is boiling over a bit?
It's your demeanor that you believe everyone who does believe in some sort of faith is inferior to you. That is presented in your last, once again, inconsiderate commentary, or should I quote it for you to hold your hand? I'm agnostic, what the hell does it matter to me your religion when the underlining belief I have is I don't give a pomegranate whether there is or not.
Satellite Wrote:What's a Sattelite? I've never heard of that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite
So you turn to two inferior arguments, a spelling error and a "I'm innocent, only posting article!!". It's to the point, satellite, that although it would be innocent for me to post it, however with your clear position on the subject, with several past events, only creates an obvious intention.
Satellite Wrote:I'll admit my grammar flaw in the first post. I meant to say "the atheists" "the christians", which means, not everyone but only some.
How about "Lol US". Also adding "the" doesn't simplify the generalization...I mean seriously, it's like you're begging for attention.
Americans don't want an atheist president - Panacea - 2011-11-09
If you meant "some" you should have said so in the first place.
Threads always turn to pomegranate.
Americans don't want an atheist president - Satellite - 2011-11-09
KhainiWest Wrote:Also adding "the" doesn't simplify the generalization."The" makes it "certain atheists", therefore not generalization.
Americans don't want an atheist president - Kabanaw - 2011-11-09
Satellite Wrote:"The" makes it "certain atheists", therefore not generalization.
That just raises the question, what athiests? You provide half of what you need to do to make it specific. If you rephrased it to "The athiests that attack religion on forums do what they do because etc" then it wouldn't be a generalization.
Americans don't want an atheist president - KhainiWest - 2011-11-09
Satellite Wrote:Why do the atheists attack on christians (at forums etc) you ask? Because the christians hate everyone who isn't a christian, and it seems especially atheists.
The ect specifies, "the" does not. Whether it is there or not, it still generalizes atheists and christians, you also don't know the context of why they don't want an Atheist president.
Satellite Wrote:Why justify rational decisions with an ancient fairylaw? Lol at you US.
So after trying to victimize yourself as the poor misunderstood Atheist, explain that clearly spiteful statement.
Americans don't want an atheist president - Satellite - 2011-11-09
KhainiWest Wrote:So after trying to victimize yourself as the poor misunderstood Atheist, explain that clearly spiteful statement.I don't consider the belief that religion should be kept outside politics an attack against religious people. I think many religious people agree on that as well.
Americans don't want an atheist president - Sardines - 2011-11-09
Satellite Wrote:I don't consider the belief that religion should be kept outside politics an attack against religious people. I think many religious people agree on that as well.
Depends on which type of people you are talking about. :3
Americans don't want an atheist president - KhainiWest - 2011-11-09
Satellite Wrote:I don't consider the belief that religion should be kept outside politics an attack against religious people. I think many religious people agree on that as well.
I wonder if you're aware that religion shaped our modern day society by creating essentially regulations to keep order within our early society? Whether or not you believe religion shouldn't be a factor, it is somewhat a judgement of character in today's society. Whether it's justified I won't argue, however that is not what you said in those statements presented previously to you and frankly are avoiding the point.
Americans don't want an atheist president - heronz - 2011-11-09
Satellite Wrote:I don't consider the belief that religion should be kept outside politics an attack against religious people. I think many religious people agree on that as well.
i don't believe he understand the word "clearly" still. comprehension aside, this statement still does not explain why there is so much ill will towards this particular political stance. if it is an unwise political position, one would comment the pros and cons unbiased to warrant merit. Otherwise, its simply an opinion and when pushed into someones face, an message of hate and not change.
Americans don't want an atheist president - SaptaZapta - 2011-11-09
KhainiWest Wrote:I wonder if you're aware that religion shaped our modern day society by creating essentially regulations to keep order within our early society? Whether or not you believe religion shouldn't be a factor, it is somewhat a judgement of character in today's society. Whether it's justified I won't argue, however that is not what you said in those statements presented previously to you and frankly are avoiding the point.
I wonder whether you realize that "regulations to keep order within society" predate religion of any kind? In fact, they even predate humanity. All animals appear to have a "moral code", which is instinctive. Evolution created basic morality, not religion.
Americans don't want an atheist president - KhainiWest - 2011-11-09
SaptaZapta Wrote:I wonder whether you realize that "regulations to keep order within society" predate religion of any kind? In fact, they even predate humanity. All animals appear to have a "moral code", which is instinctive. Evolution created basic morality, not religion.
Religion enforced it because I would dare say that justice wasn't so just back then. Not that such "commandments" are as useful in today's society but, I would say there were far less consequences for your actions. So you believed a correct judgement would be done by an all knowing being.
Americans don't want an atheist president - Sardines - 2011-11-09
SaptaZapta Wrote:All animals appear to have a "moral code", which is instinctive.
Explain. I didn't know there was a study that animals considered the right and wrong of their actions. It has been my impression that animals are primarily concerned with survival and fecundity, the two in tandem.
SaptaZapta Wrote:Evolution created basic morality, not religion.
Explain. How does natural selection acting on a series of mutation, synapsis, ect. lead to a notion of basic morality.
Americans don't want an atheist president - heronz - 2011-11-09
SaptaZapta Wrote:Evolution created basic morality, not religion.
i would argue this. Ignoring that the theory of evolution mainly deals with biodiversity and not social conduct, some of our highest moral standards go against nature practice of natural selection. for example a common behavior found is cannibalism, to name a few: black widows, praying mantis, roaches, sharks, lions, hamsters. if we were all lead by the same morals standard to survive and propagate, the logical conduct would be to rape, murder, cannibalize, euthanasia, and follow polygamy.
Americans don't want an atheist president - SaptaZapta - 2011-11-09
SaptaZapta Wrote:All animals appear to have a "moral code", which is instinctive. Evolution created basic morality, not religion.
Sardines Wrote:Explain.
Some common examples:
- Animals do not, in general, kill their own kind, except in very specialized circumstances. With some species you see a specific "surrender" behavior which allows the loser to retreat instead of being killed.
- In higher species, mothers protect their young. Herd or pack animals protect the young collectively.
- Animals that compete tend to "fight fair". Peacocks try to impress mates with their tail feather display, and weaver birds do it with the nests they build, but you don't see peacocks tearing each other's tails out, or weaver birds breaking each other's nest.
Now, you might say, "Of course they would! a species that doesn't protect its young isn't going to last very long unless they spawn a *lot* of offspring".
Yes. That's evolution. Traits that contribute to survival, persist.
Oddly enough, many of the same "regulations for keeping order in society" that benefit human societies and make them prosper, do the same for animal societies. And so evolution selected for animals that adhered to such rules instinctively. Instinctively, meaning they don't "consider the right or wrong" of their actions, just as they don't consider the odds when deciding whether to fight or run. They do "the right thing" instinctively or they get weeded out of the gene pool.
By the time humans came around, they had, built-in, the same innate morality as apes do. They didn't need any gods to tell them Thou Shalt Not Kill or even Thou Shalt Not Steal. Look all over the world: native peoples in all the remotest corners all have the same basic codex: respect each other's lives and property, help each other and especially protect the young or weak. There are exceptions and variations, but basically it's all the same. And, according to Christianity at least, all their gods are man-made fakeries.