thegreatone Wrote:Those weren't the only things they were fighting for. It still isn't equal affirmative action or not its not even close to being equal. Racism is built into institutions its no longer that white guy on the street yelling the n-word, I'd much rather have that in place of what we have now.
It's not about you all owing us anything its giving us the same damn oppertuinites you all are afforded for sitting on your ass and having white skin. which sadly probably wont ever happen.

KhainiWest Wrote:Then please tell me what, you were fighting for because I assure you, it isn't the right to be lazy. And sir, you may want to change your view point to what your parents fed you out of spite of past history, because this whole, white=lazy thing you keep spouting out is complete bull sh`it.

American's treated you like sh`it, like they treated the irish, the italians, the scottish, the oriental, and every other culture because we didn't consider you citizens. It was different with African Americans I'm aware, however, the "oppurtunites" notice the U not the E, you're speaking of, are of people who worked for their oppurtunities. That's why we were so against communism because your work is worthless, it amounts to nothing.

So before you simply state "because you're white everything was handed to you", maybe you should consult my family who worked their ass off harder than you, mind you, while minorities beg for pity checks, which believe you me, only enables the lazy attitude.

And I'm sorry sir but you saying "we demand the same oppurtunities you received for being white" seems quite goddam ignorant, and quite goddam demanding for some imaginary debt we owe you, especially from some false reality that you believed existed. Sorry to bust your bubble but everyone suffered the great depression, and everyone is suffering this recession.

The Great One Wrote:Sigh, here we go again lets get one thing straight chances are my parents worded a lot harder then yours so unless you know me personally or my family I'll have to ask you to shut the pineapple up.

The Great One Wrote:We were against Communism simply because the extra effort didn't amount to anything different from the lazy person there's a difference between that not getting the chance to put in the effort. You have to put in effort to get where you want to be we have to put in effort to get to where you started from then even more effort to get to the same goal your after.

The Great One Wrote:I bet your one of those guys who didn't get in the school you wanted and blamed affirmative action for your own lazy ass or you just didn't put in as much effort as the other people who applied. Really getting quite sick of your personal attacks grow up buddy and stop assuming things about people over the internet. So let this be the last time I freaking speak to you.

Thegreatone Wrote:They were fighting for equality, equality does not just mean voting rights just look at public schools in this country and compare them if you call that equality then your an idiot.

Thegreatone Wrote:@below the wealthy white men are the ones who made the institutions they way they are today your not at fault but by being in those institutions you receive said benefits.

Thegreatone Wrote:I have nothing against white people nor am I holding a grudge for events that happened in the past. Like I said before I would much rather it be a bunch of racist white people calling me the n-word while I'm attending the same school as them learning on an equal footing because then I could just laugh at them and keep no learning and doing what I gotta do. Instead the way the damn intuitions are built pineapple people over

The Great One Wrote:my parents

Flonne Wrote:Yes, your parents. Your PARENTS. Not -YOU-. See the difference? Your parents, if they did indeed work hard through life, have the right to complain about this pomegranate. You do not, because you have much and more than what they had. They may consider that a victory, and indeed it is, but the fact of the matter remains that BECAUSE they were able to gain you these benefits, you have no right to complain for more as you are already in the upper echelon when it comes to privilege, whether you want to admit it or not. When your parents were your age, they did not, but now, you do. Stop complaining about having things better than most others and just eat your damn cake.

UCB Chancello Wrote:Last week an incident occurred that was contrary to the Principles of Community we espouse as a campus <http://www.berkeley.edu/about/principles.shtml>. The Berkeley College Republicans (an ASUC sponsored organization) publicized an "Increase Diversity Bake Sale" that prices baked goods according to a person's ethnicity, race, or gender. This event has moved the campus community into dialogue, because it was hurtful or offensive to many of its members.

Illustrating the breadth of the offense taken, last night the ASUC Senate unanimously passed a resolution condemning the methodology used by BCR and urging respectful conduct by all student organizations. The administration firmly endorses those sentiments. It is our sincere hope that the strong reactions generated by the proposed bake sale provide a vivid lesson that issues of race, ethnicity, and gender are far from resolved, and very much a part of lived experience here and now.

The Principles of Community are not about political positions. They require a consciousness of the potential effect of words or deeds on others: a positive intent not to hurt, offend, or denigrate others while expressing a reasoned position. Regardless what policies or practices one advocates, careful consideration is needed on how to express those opinions. The issue is not whether one thinks an action is satirical or inoffensive, the issue is whether community members will be intentionally - or unintentionally - hurt or demeaned by that action. The same applies to the way we interact with each other, whether academically, professionally, or socially.

If we, as a community, do not live with these expectations, then our Principles of Community (which the community authored) are just words on a page. The administration can urge, but not mandate, a person to behave with civility. We can express our disappointment or condemnation when respectfulness is abused. It is the community who must hold each other accountable for behaviors that do not reflect our communal values.

Forbearance and consciousness of how one's actions may affect others should always be a strong consideration. We celebrate the exchange of ideas through the freedoms we share as a nation, but intelligent debate is based on mutual respect. Freedom of speech is not properly exercised without taking responsibility for its impact. Taking that responsibility does not negate the freedom, it brings an enhanced humanity to it.

Sincerely,


Robert Birgeneau, Chancellor
Gibor Basri, Vice Chancellor - Equity & Inclusion
Harry LeGrande, Vice Chancellor - Student Affairs

Worthyness Wrote:I figured since I was a UCB student I'd let everyone know what they just sent us regarding the incident. Take with it what you will. Apparently Free speech and protest are now offensive to people because it had to do with race.

Rick Wrote:In other news, millions of students a year are rejected from scholarships purely because their skin is white.

Baklava Wrote:I'm not surprised at all that something this half-assed comes out of UC Berkeley.

Trying to make a point by trying to make people mad is probably...the worst thing you could attempt. "These bees are on my property, I will shake their hive to prove a point" This is basically the same thing, only simplified.

The Great One Wrote:I'm gonna guess your white the opportunities you are talking about have been handed to you from day one. You might not think of it as much but they were there. In the same token minorities have had it backwards getting the few opportunities now.