+- Southperry.net (https://www.southperry.net)
+-- Forum: Maplestory (https://www.southperry.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=15)
+--- Forum: Training Center (https://www.southperry.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=32)
+---- Forum: Magician (https://www.southperry.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=39)
+---- Thread: About Elemental wand (/showthread.php?tid=2773)
About Elemental wand - butterfλi - 2008-08-26
LOL
LOL
[size="4"]LOL[/size]
[size="5"]LOL[/size]
[size="6"]LOL[/size]
OWNED!!
The only thing that makes them worth it now is that the level 130 weapons are only unbalanced in matk. Level 130 lukless weapon with 14x matk.
About Elemental wand - Bribery - 2008-08-26
Chances are the first GM had no idea what he/she was talking about. Another possibility is that Nexon didn't want to admit their mistake. The Elemental bonus is in the data, it just hasn't been applied to the weapons for whatever reason. If they intended on keeping these weapons without the elemental properties then there would be no reason to have the bonuses in the data.
Ironically, these weapons in their current state are helping Bishops more than Arch Mages.
About Elemental wand - motomage - 2008-08-26
alot of you still dont seem to get the imbalance between bishop/mage and what these wepaons would have done -_____-
potion prices in global dont matter, the argument that because mages can afford to spam blizzard and meteor in global compared to how its even more broken in other versions compared to bishop is failed. Bishops in other versions can afford spamming genesis just because they dont have AMP, THANK GOD that nexon has cheap % based potions in global or the job would be trashed, as it has been in many other versions because of amp + potion cost. Even accounting the cheap MP in global, genesis and its lower potion cost/elemental advantage on currently released mobs still gives it a huge advantage over blizzard/meteor.
I've also heard the argument it dosent matter because mages have the new MA potions available in NLC, which is another lame argument considering how useful the potions are and how easy they are to acquire lol im going on 6 hours for my first fuel cell in hopes of getting 2 potions that add 1k MA for 5 seconds
As for price, this dosent help the matter at all, 145 ma lukless lvl 130 staff that everyone can use? bishops make up the majority of the magic community, if anything its going to inflate prices more. Theres a ton active bishops on every server loaded with money and willing to spend a ton for these weapons, good luck to mages who if they want the MA boost now have to compete with a much larger market for the weapons. Which wont even matter in the end, its not going to change the fact that bishops still have all the advantages and 20-30 MA gain wont change that
Having these weapons not give the proper elemental advantages breaks the mage/bishop balance even more and any hope that there was of mages getting some type of advantage in this game to fix the class post 4th job (unless nexon has something they're planning thats exclusive to global and coming, but i wouldn't be holding out for that)
Bishops already have everything people want for parties/bossing + an ultimate that takes half the cost, casts faster in a game where most of the popular maps are holy weak. These weapons were it, they were supposed to fix mages and give them something that gives us an advantage in at least attacking.
I keep hope in the fact though that nexon employees who reply via customer support inquires are often wrong and not informed, which is the feeling i get from his reply
About Elemental wand - LoyalOath - 2008-08-26
Ok it sucks that your elemental staffs/wands aren't working, and may never work but at least be happy that you have an ult. I don't know about other servers, but in windia I hardly ever see skeles full which is the only holy weak mob that a bishop actually has an advantage at, weakness wise, where a strong arch mage can still kill in 2 hits, even one, if they're a high enough level, where as most other classes are lucky if they can kill 1 in 2 hits. So it does indeed suck that you may not get elemental wands but your class is still good without them Bishops might be considered better but really there's always one section of a class that stands out as "better" than the others despite the fact that they're all good in their own ways.
About Elemental wand - butterfλi - 2008-08-26
LoyalOath Wrote:Ok it sucks that your elemental staffs/wands aren't working, and may never work but at least be happy that you have an ult. I don't know about other servers, but in windia I hardly ever see skeles full which is the only holy weak mob that a bishop actually has an advantage at, weakness wise, where a strong arch mage can still kill in 2 hits, even one, if they're a high enough level, where as most other classes are lucky if they can kill 1 in 2 hits. So it does indeed suck that you may not get elemental wands but your class is still good without them Bishops might be considered better but really there's always one section of a class that stands out as "better" than the others despite the fact that they're all good in their own ways.
You have to understand why these weapons are so important to archmages. They revolutionize not training for archmages, but bossing. They're still not as strong as NL with apples and sharp eyes so the NLs still hold their specialty of 1v1 damage. These weapons are not taking away the high 1v1 damage of heroes, BMs and NLs. They're not even equalizing the damage of archmages at bossing versus other jobs. It just makes them less suck at bosses.
Imagine how many bandits would be pissed if the str shields (dragon khanjars) didn't give any weapon bonus. 18atk is worth a lot to them. 125% boost in damage is a lot to archmages.
About Elemental wand - Silence - 2008-08-26
saved up all that meso for nothing =(
About Elemental wand - Tikey - 2008-08-26
Wow, gg Nexon. This seriously makes me want to quit. The only reason why I wanted the elemental bonus was so I can solo bosses faster without the ungodly costs of perfect scrolling or leveling. Now I probably won't ever get to see this.
Taking 3-4 hours just to solo Zakum's arms is not fun.
About Elemental wand - Molly - 2008-08-26
i see harrison posted my GM response from SW....ty.
i've sent in a response to that GMs vague reply imploring gMS to implement the elemental attributes. The FP and IL community need this weapon to stave off class extinction. 25% additional damage with corresponding element is wonderful, but nothing compared to damage dealt by other classes. So have no fear of us ever becoming a bossing powerhouse.
We are ismply overlooked for most things and finally this weapon comes made JUST FOR US-and it's broken. How many more lolmage can Nexon pull before the remaining mages up and quit? I think any mage will tell you we love our shiny skills, our wonderful wand and staff toys and really needed this boost to the community. I'm so disheartened at this point.
Merchanters and meso selling guilds in windia are snapping these things up to the tune of 2bil each. The only solace at this point if it remains unchanged, is the fact that all those people will be screwed all that money for a regular wand. Be it lukless or not, the MA boost isn't worth the price at all.
About Elemental wand - wobbufet - 2008-08-26
Rayquaza2233 Wrote:Well, they give (gave?) 1.25x to the primary element, 1.1x to the secondary, and 0.75x to everything else. Holy is an element.
What are you trying to say?
About Elemental wand - Fiel - 2008-08-26
I don't believe that the elemental wands give a direct multiplier to damage. I'm pretty sure it gives a direct multiplier to Magic Attack. The identifier for the multiplier in the WZ files is "incRMAI". In this case, it stands for "Increase Magic Attack Ice". Any magician should know that a 1.25 multiplier to Magic Attack is far, far better than a 1.25 multiplier to damage.
About Elemental wand - Stereo - 2008-08-26
Molly Wrote:We are ismply overlooked for most things and finally this weapon comes made JUST FOR US-and it's broken. How many more lolmage can Nexon pull before the remaining mages up and quit? I think any mage will tell you we love our shiny skills, our wonderful wand and staff toys and really needed this boost to the community. I'm so disheartened at this point.
Really, there has never been a lack of Magicians. They used to be consistently about 40% of the population (over 3 classes). That's actually risen - over 50% of the top 1000 are Magicians, and it's still 41% of the top 10,000.
About Elemental wand - Haiku - 2008-08-26
I agree with butterfli, with those wands AMs could have had standing chance to solo bosses like the other classes do with reasonable time (and maybe being more welcome at HT?). It's understandable for a Bishop to not be as effective at soloing bosses, because they have other skills that are more suited to supporting the attackers like heal & res. Nowhere in the description of Arch Mage does it list supporting as a function, nor are they capable of doing that; they needed that damage boost for single-target DPS. Given the difference between MA and WA, they obviously don't stand a chance at competing with BMs, NLs, and Heroes.. and they don't have useful or necessary party skills like DKs.. and there are even people who complain that CL causes lag/DC (which is BS; it's no worse than the ~10+ or so NLs, BMs, and Heroes spamming away at TT+SP, Hurricane, & Brandish <_<).
Stereo is correct about the vastness of the Magician population, but just how many of them are Priests/Bishops? Especially out of levels 16x+ when the costs really start to hurt? Hell, that's probably a question better left unanswered. It should be taken into account though that a lot of those players have quit and it's more than likely not the Bishops that have the highest quitrate of the three subclasses. If Bishops had a crappy 4th job, I betcha the prices on all things INT would drop by a more than considerable amount. They were a good class with reasonable balance before Genesis, but with it they're just plain broken.
-~- - -~-
As for "who cares if Bishops are better than you"? Obviously AMs care. Considering they're a class that is meant to attack and unable to support, while a Bishop can run around doing both better than any other class. They can even train for free by selling leech services without their %/hour suffering due to HS with money left to spare to work on equips w/ the lower MP costs (they're the most desirable class for this in the eyes of the leecher as well & don't have to charge as much for it to be profittable). Add to that that they're welcome at the majority of bosses for even more income. Nope, not done yet, with Invi & ER training is even cheaper & there's a significantly lower risk of 1hko due to a badly timed ultimate cast. They're just plain broken, there's just no denying it. No one has any hope of being "better" than them, so y'might as well just not compare the other classes to them.
That being said.. AMs were given a skill that was supposed to make them stronger (AMP) with a negative side effect (MP cost) and a skill that was supposed to make them faster. Bishops don't have these skills, the least an AM could expect is that they would still be stronger and faster even if the MP cost was outrageous. Instead, they are neither of the above and still the MP cost is outrageous. Elemental weapons in training were supposed to help even out the damage and the cost, and potentially make other skills worth using for training AND bossing (Paralyze and Chain Lightning @ new areas anyone?). While it's worth noting that Global has the best pots available for the spamming of ults, that doesn't change the other uses for the elemental weapons (bossing, training effectively with other skills, etc).
Personally I wanted them so I could have a hope of using CL to train. I'm quite fond of the skill, and wouldn't mind if they made the wands/staves nonfunctioning with all 3 ultimates. Honestly, that sounds like the best way to me. :/
About Elemental wand - Cyanne - 2008-08-26
^Ultimates should never have been introduced into the game if bishops got a skill that gives them exp rates equivalent to other classes and archmages got stronger bossing abilities.
Stereo Wrote:Really, there has never been a lack of Magicians. They used to be consistently about 40% of the population (over 3 classes). That's actually risen - over 50% of the top 1000 are Magicians, and it's still 41% of the top 10,000.
Too bad over 75% of the magicians you're talking about are bishops, lol. She's referring to elemental mages and archmages specifically, not all magicians.
About Elemental wand - Kabanaw - 2008-08-26
Who cares ifr our pots are cheaper so we can train with ults? The class that benefits the most from this is already bishops. Without the elemental weapons, AMs do crap dmg at bosses. Let's say an AM has a 163 ice stave, and is being compared to a bishop using a dragon staff. The bishop would be doing 670X1.5=1005 base dmg to skeles, while the AM would be doing 570 X 1.6 =912. With the elemental stave, the AM does a little less than 100 less base dmg to skeles, instead of over 200. And with the boost in dmg from the high amount of MA on the staff, maybe the damage would be almost comparable.
Basically all Nexon is doing by putting in 'elemental' wands/staves is getting tons of people to gacha for something they didn't expect. I mean, seriously, even someone who didn't even know that the existed would think that they had something to do with elements.
About Elemental wand - Calvinist - 2008-08-26
I dont think the fact they dont have elemental bonuses is that bad. They still give a lot of magic attack at high levels which is something Arch Mage's can enjoy. Arch mages are better at damaging bosses than bishops. These new wands only help them more. It's good! These staves have not changed anything in the game that wasn't there before. Only made the magician class overall stronger...which is good!
About Elemental wand - Kabanaw - 2008-08-26
Calvinist Wrote:I dont think the fact they dont have elemental bonuses is that bad. They still give a lot of magic attack at high levels which is something Arch Mage's can enjoy. Arch mages are better at damaging bosses than bishops. These new wands only help them more. It's good! These staves have not changed anything in the game that wasn't there before. Only made the magician class overall stronger...which is good!
No.
It's not good because these were not intended to just be high level weapons. They were made to be a fix to the broken state of Arch Mages. And besides, who cares if Arch Mages do better damage at bosses? Bishops aren't even an attacking class, so they still get invited to parties all the time.
And Elemental Weapon prices will go through the roof now because now all magicians can use them, while before only about 25% could.
About Elemental wand - Calvinist - 2008-08-26
Kabanaw Wrote:No.
It's not good because these were not intended to just be high level weapons. They were made to be a fix to the broken state of Arch Mages. And besides, who cares if Arch Mages do better damage at bosses? Bishops aren't even an attacking class, so they still get invited to parties all the time.
And Elemental Weapon prices will go through the roof now because now all magicians can use them, while before only about 25% could.
Of course they are intended to be high level weapons! High levels can use them especially lukless ones. They make all classes magician incredibly stronger than what they were before. And from what I read here, about all Arch Mages do care about doing more damage at bosses. If you wanted to be a class for parties you shouldnt have made a mage to begin with. This is all obvious.
About Elemental wand - Kabanaw - 2008-08-26
Calvinist Wrote:Of course they are intended to be high level weapons! High levels can use them especially lukless ones. They make all classes magician incredibly stronger than what they were before. And from what I read here, about all Arch Mages do care about doing more damage at bosses. If you wanted to be a class for parties you shouldnt have made a mage to begin with. This is all obvious.
What? They're intended to be high level weapons for ARCH MAGES. It makes no sense for a support class to be stronger than an attacking class. Yes, it makes sense for Bishops to have a decent attack, but not a stronger one. And yeah, AMs care about doing more dmg at bosses, but not about doing more damage than bishops. Everyone does more dmg than Bishops! And what do you mean I shouldn't have made a mage if I wanted to party? I said that it's near impossible to find a bossing party, not a training party.
About Elemental wand - Calvinist - 2008-08-26
Kabanaw Wrote:What? They're intended to be high level weapons for ARCH MAGES. It makes no sense for a support class to be stronger than an attacking class. Yes, it makes sense for Bishops to have a decent attack, but not a stronger one. And yeah, AMs care about doing more dmg at bosses, but not about doing more damage than bishops. Everyone does more dmg than Bishops! And what do you mean I shouldn't have made a mage if I wanted to party? I said that it's near impossible to find a bossing party, not a training party.
The supporting class isnt stronger than AMs. Only they're full screen attack is more efficient than an AM because of the current maps available. Once Arch Mages get better maps things will change, but it's not something to obsess over. And I'll say it again - these staves have helped AMs regardless of there being a elemental bonus on it or not! AMs can now be much stronger than what they were before. Finally, the same thing goes, if you wanted a character thats easily accepted into bossing/parties then a bishop would have been a wiser choice. Only one job of each class is usually dominant of getting chosen into parties.
About Elemental wand - Technolink - 2008-08-26
Cheap pots or elemental bonus.
Please pick. I for one say cheap pots because EVERYONE benefits. If they make this tMS everyone would have expensive pot prices.
C'mon, you already have AMP which makes up for the speed and 'weakness' of your summons vs bishop. Your pretty much on equal footing, don't get power hungry.
Now L7 formula needs some dex in it and we're all good!