[1.2.398] Minar's Past

Based on Spadow's video, Akyrum seems to be pretty easy (unless he goes into berserk mode and gets extremely powerful under 70% HP or something), and I expect that we'll be seeing a solo video of it a couple days after it comes out in KMS.
Now, the real question is what it drops.

Quick question:
Where is the 100 years ago concerning the heroes and the black mage coming from? In Aran and Evan, they make it sound like it's been more than just one hundred years...

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1395149/maplestory/years.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1395149/maplestory/years2.png (Taken off of youtube)

Just curious to where it came from, that's all.

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Originally Posted by Blades4hire

Based on Spadow's video, Akyrum seems to be pretty easy (unless he goes into berserk mode and gets extremely powerful under 70% HP or something), and I expect that we'll be seeing a solo video of it a couple days after it comes out in KMS.
Now, the real question is what it drops.

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The patch notes already said it drops:
Dominator Pendant

Spoiler

Pendant - All Classes
Description: 검은 마법사의 군단장 아카이럼이 지녔다고 알려진 전설의 목걸이.
Req Level: 85
STR: +35
DEX: +35
INT: +35
LUK: +35
HP: +10%
MP: +10%
WDEF: +215
MDEF: +215
Magic Attack: +5
Weapon Attack: +5
Accuracy: +120
Avoid: +120
Speed: +15
Jump: +10
PVP Damage: +3%
Charm EXP: +120
Untradeable
Platinum Scissors of Karma
3 slots

Twisted Debris of Time (to scroll Dominator Pendant)

Spoiler

비틀린 시간의 파편
시간의 여신의 힘이 담긴 신비로운 돌. 도미네이터 팬던트 전용. \n성공률 70%, PAD +3, MAD +3, AllStat +3, PDD +25, MDD +25, MaxHP +25, MaxMP +25, ACC +30, EVA +30, Speed +3, Jump +2\n 실패 시, 100% 확률로 아이템이 파괴된다.
Sale price: 1 meso
STR: +3
DEX: +3
INT: +3
LUK: +3
Weapon Attack: +3
Magic Attack: +3
WDEF: +25
MDEF: +25
HP: +40
MP: +40
Avoid: +30
Speed: +3
Jump: +2
Accuracy: +30
Success rate: 70%
Cursed rate: 100%
Tradeblock

Immortal Ring 1

Spoiler

Set: (#52) 임모탈 히어로 세트
Req Level: 50
STR: +5
DEX: +5
INT: +5
LUK: +5
WDEF: +30
MDEF: +30
Weapon Attack: +2
Accuracy: +75
Equip tradeblock
Platinum Scissors of Karma
1 slots

Immortal Ring 2

Spoiler

Req Level: 50
Set: (#52) 임모탈 히어로 세트
STR: +5
DEX: +5
INT: +5
LUK: +5
WDEF: +150
MDEF: +50
Avoid: +75
Equip tradeblock
Platinum Scissors of Karma
1 slots

Both Immortal Rings equipped: All Stat: +15, Weapon Attack: +10

Eternity Ring 1

Spoiler

Set: (#53) 이터널 히어로 세트
Req Level: 50
STR: +5
DEX: +5
INT: +5
LUK: +5
WDEF: +30
MDEF: +30
Magic Attack: +2
Accuracy: +75
Equip tradeblock
Platinum Scissors of Karma
1 slots

Eternity Ring 2

Spoiler

Set: (#53) 이터널 히어로 세트
Req Level: 50
STR: +5
DEX: +5
INT: +5
LUK: +5
WDEF: +50
MDEF: +150
Avoid: +75
Equip tradeblock
Platinum Scissors of Karma
1 slots

Both Eternity Rings equipped: All Stat: +15, Magic Attack: +10

@that video....Weird placement for the door...

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Originally Posted by kimicatdemon

Quick question:
Where is the 100 years ago concerning the heroes and the black mage coming from? In Aran and Evan, they make it sound like it's been more than just one hundred years...

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1395149/maplestory/years.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1395149/maplestory/years2.png (Taken off of youtube)

Just curious to where it came from, that's all.

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Nexon said it at some point as far as I can remember. In the Demon Slayer/Mercedes storyline it says 'hundreds of years' as well.

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Originally Posted by kremechoko

The patch notes already said it drops:
Dominator Pendant

Spoiler

Pendant - All Classes
Description: 검은 마법사의 군단장 아카이럼이 지녔다고 알려진 전설의 목걸이.
Req Level: 85
STR: +35
DEX: +35
INT: +35
LUK: +35
HP: +10%
MP: +10%
WDEF: +215
MDEF: +215
Magic Attack: +5
Weapon Attack: +5
Accuracy: +120
Avoid: +120
Speed: +15
Jump: +10
PVP Damage: +3%
Charm EXP: +120
Untradeable
Platinum Scissors of Karma
3 slots

Twisted Debris of Time (to scroll Dominator Pendant)

Spoiler

비틀린 시간의 파편
시간의 여신의 힘이 담긴 신비로운 돌. 도미네이터 팬던트 전용. \n성공률 70%, PAD +3, MAD +3, AllStat +3, PDD +25, MDD +25, MaxHP +25, MaxMP +25, ACC +30, EVA +30, Speed +3, Jump +2\n 실패 시, 100% 확률로 아이템이 파괴된다.
Sale price: 1 meso
STR: +3
DEX: +3
INT: +3
LUK: +3
Weapon Attack: +3
Magic Attack: +3
WDEF: +25
MDEF: +25
HP: +40
MP: +40
Avoid: +30
Speed: +3
Jump: +2
Accuracy: +30
Success rate: 70%
Cursed rate: 100%
Tradeblock

Immortal Ring 1

Spoiler

Set: (#52) 임모탈 히어로 세트
Req Level: 50
STR: +5
DEX: +5
INT: +5
LUK: +5
WDEF: +30
MDEF: +30
Weapon Attack: +2
Accuracy: +75
Equip tradeblock
Platinum Scissors of Karma
1 slots

Immortal Ring 2

Spoiler

Req Level: 50
Set: (#52) 임모탈 히어로 세트
STR: +5
DEX: +5
INT: +5
LUK: +5
WDEF: +150
MDEF: +50
Avoid: +75
Equip tradeblock
Platinum Scissors of Karma
1 slots

Both Immortal Rings equipped: All Stat: +15, Weapon Attack: +10

Eternity Ring 1

Spoiler

Set: (#53) 이터널 히어로 세트
Req Level: 50
STR: +5
DEX: +5
INT: +5
LUK: +5
WDEF: +30
MDEF: +30
Magic Attack: +2
Accuracy: +75
Equip tradeblock
Platinum Scissors of Karma
1 slots

Eternity Ring 2

Spoiler

Set: (#53) 이터널 히어로 세트
Req Level: 50
STR: +5
DEX: +5
INT: +5
LUK: +5
WDEF: +50
MDEF: +150
Avoid: +75
Equip tradeblock
Platinum Scissors of Karma
1 slots

Both Eternity Rings equipped: All Stat: +15, Magic Attack: +10

@that video....Weird placement for the door...

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Oh boy.
inb4 new (c)HPT and (d)ABR.

Those rings are so pineappleing amazing.

Those drops are so amazing...
Now I'm thinking there HAS to be some kind of twist to make him difficult to defeat, I mean nexon wouldn't make such an easy boss drop such insane equips would it?
As of now, it seems like it's easier than czak.

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Originally Posted by Blades4hire

Those drops are so amazing...
Now I'm thinking there HAS to be some kind of twist to make him difficult to defeat, I mean nexon wouldn't make such an easy boss drop such insane equips would it?
As of now, it seems like it's easier than czak.

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Maybe he'll get buffed, like what they did with Empress.

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Originally Posted by Raul

When does Grendel join the explorers? It doesn't seem like he's at Altaire Camp in Ellin Forest, nor does he appear in any of the Hero's storylines unlike Athena Pierce.

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Judging by the fact that there are no Zombie Lupins in Ellin Forest, I think Grendel is still studying black magic in El Nath with Alcaster.

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Originally Posted by Blunderr

Judging by the fact that there are no Zombie Lupins in Ellin Forest, I think Grendel is still studying black magic in Magatia with Alcaster.

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Fixed. :f3:

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Originally Posted by Hanabira.Kage

Fixed. :f3:

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Was it Magatia? Lol whoops.

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Originally Posted by Blunderr

Was it Magatia? Lol whoops.

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Nah. I don't think it was ever mentioned.

I put Magatia because Alcaster was the "mayor" of Magatia at one point, and Magatia's alchemy was based on the Black Magician's research.

But Grendel even being there is based only on "if it's been 100 years".

In game, they keep saying it's been a few hundred years, and apparently they kept up with that during Demon Slayer's and Mercedes new plot lines. (Shakar96's post above)
I think Crawls with Balrog is maybe an ancestor of Dances in Ellin forest. So there is always the chance that Grendel may not even be alive at this point.

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Originally Posted by kimicatdemon

But Grendel even being there is based only on "if it's been 100 years".

In game, they keep saying it's been a few hundred years, and apparently they kept up with that during Demon Slayer's and Mercedes new plot lines. (Shakar96's post above)
I think Crawls with Balrog is maybe an ancestor of Dances in Ellin forest. So there is always the chance that Grendel may not even be alive at this point.

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Wait, what? What do the security tapes have to do wi-
Ugh. Silly Resistance code. *facepalms*

Anyway, Grendel is basicly VERY VERY old, he must have been somewhere in Ellin forest, or his representant, wich would be that guy at the right barrier stone, wouldn't he?
The actual question is what happend between Ellin Forrest and Present. In that timeline:
The citys on victoria were created.
Grendel and more Fairys besides Ellin appeard.

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Originally Posted by HighOnMushrooms

Akyrum forced himself into the past so he could revive the Black Magician, so you have to go back and defeat him before he does that.

Lol, you can go in to fight Akyrum alone, I guess we'll be seeing some videos of "15 second Akyrum solo"!

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This makes no sense. The BlackMage is supposedly already alive in the present. He caused the Big Bang and Chaos. von Leon locked himself up and his castle and swore to come back once his master came back aswell, hence why the castle is accesible again.

I find it going back to the "Black Wings wanna revive the Black Mage" as walking backwards into the storyline and therefore dumb.

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Originally Posted by byakugan

This makes no sense. The BlackMage is supposedly already alive in the present. He caused the Big Bang and Chaos. von Leon locked himself up and his castle and swore to come back once his master came back aswell, hence why the castle is accesible again.

I find it going back to the "Black Wings wanna revive the Black Mage" as walking backwards into the storyline and therefore dumb.

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It makes perfect sense.

Yes, the Black Mage has been unsealed in the present, but the Heroes are reawakening, the Adventurers are strong, the Cygnus Knights are reorganized, and the Alliance is being reborn.
That's a lot of obstacles in his way.

If Akyrum were to succeed in reviving the Black Mage shortly after the fight that not only resulted in his sealing but also the casting down of Maple's five strongest champions, the Black Mage would be at such an advantage that his victory would have been practically assured.

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Originally Posted by kremechoko

Maybe he'll get buffed, like what they did with Empress.

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If they do I hope they don't make him more powerful than Cygnus. The feeling I get is that Empress Cygnus should be the end of the line boss for the moment. Plus, the way this whole Maplers Unite thing is going with him starting at 120 I believe they want all classes like the Cygnus Knights to take part in this battle so I doubt they are going to make him more powerful than Empress Cygnus.

There is the matter of an easy boss dropping insane equips, but, who knows.

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Originally Posted by kimicatdemon

I think Crawls with Balrog is maybe an ancestor of Dances in Ellin forest. So there is always the chance that Grendel may not even be alive at this point.

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I am willing to believe that Crawls with Balrog is indeed Dances with Balrog. We have no idea how aging happens in the maple world so it is fully possible for Balrog to be a couple of hundreds years old. I am pretty sure those 4th job guys are pretty old and who knows about the 3rd job guys.

Wait, at the past of minar forest, Grendel was "Really NOT old grendel"?
or just grendel?

And Dances with balrog at the past was Reptile with Jr.balrog?

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Originally Posted by kremechoko

The patch notes already said it drops:
Dominator Pendant

Spoiler

Pendant - All Classes
Description: 검은 마법사의 군단장 아카이럼이 지녔다고 알려진 전설의 목걸이.
Req Level: 85
STR: +35
DEX: +35
INT: +35
LUK: +35
HP: +10%
MP: +10%
WDEF: +215
MDEF: +215
Magic Attack: +5
Weapon Attack: +5
Accuracy: +120
Avoid: +120
Speed: +15
Jump: +10
PVP Damage: +3%
Charm EXP: +120
Untradeable
Platinum Scissors of Karma
3 slots

Twisted Debris of Time (to scroll Dominator Pendant)

Spoiler

비틀린 시간의 파편
시간의 여신의 힘이 담긴 신비로운 돌. 도미네이터 팬던트 전용. \n성공률 70%, PAD +3, MAD +3, AllStat +3, PDD +25, MDD +25, MaxHP +25, MaxMP +25, ACC +30, EVA +30, Speed +3, Jump +2\n 실패 시, 100% 확률로 아이템이 파괴된다.
Sale price: 1 meso
STR: +3
DEX: +3
INT: +3
LUK: +3
Weapon Attack: +3
Magic Attack: +3
WDEF: +25
MDEF: +25
HP: +40
MP: +40
Avoid: +30
Speed: +3
Jump: +2
Accuracy: +30
Success rate: 70%
Cursed rate: 100%
Tradeblock

Immortal Ring 1

Spoiler

Set: (#52) 임모탈 히어로 세트
Req Level: 50
STR: +5
DEX: +5
INT: +5
LUK: +5
WDEF: +30
MDEF: +30
Weapon Attack: +2
Accuracy: +75
Equip tradeblock
Platinum Scissors of Karma
1 slots

Immortal Ring 2

Spoiler

Req Level: 50
Set: (#52) 임모탈 히어로 세트
STR: +5
DEX: +5
INT: +5
LUK: +5
WDEF: +150
MDEF: +50
Avoid: +75
Equip tradeblock
Platinum Scissors of Karma
1 slots

Both Immortal Rings equipped: All Stat: +15, Weapon Attack: +10

Eternity Ring 1

Spoiler

Set: (#53) 이터널 히어로 세트
Req Level: 50
STR: +5
DEX: +5
INT: +5
LUK: +5
WDEF: +30
MDEF: +30
Magic Attack: +2
Accuracy: +75
Equip tradeblock
Platinum Scissors of Karma
1 slots

Eternity Ring 2

Spoiler

Set: (#53) 이터널 히어로 세트
Req Level: 50
STR: +5
DEX: +5
INT: +5
LUK: +5
WDEF: +50
MDEF: +150
Avoid: +75
Equip tradeblock
Platinum Scissors of Karma
1 slots

Both Eternity Rings equipped: All Stat: +15, Magic Attack: +10

@that video....Weird placement for the door...

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Man, screw the rings, DAT PENDANT
It's 3 slot...does that mean it can be scrolled 3(5) times with those special scrolls?
50 all stat/340def/20atk/200hp+mp/10%hp+mp/270avoid/30speed/20jump pendant, do want.

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Originally Posted by Raul

(d)ABR.

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You mean new E. Ring I and II.

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Originally Posted by MetaSeraphim

I am willing to believe that Crawls with Balrog is indeed Dances with Balrog. We have no idea how aging happens in the maple world so it is fully possible for Balrog to be a couple of hundreds years old. I am pretty sure those 4th job guys are pretty old and who knows about the 3rd job guys.

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So all the job instructors are just a couple hundred years old? .....I guess I can work with that~

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Originally Posted by kimicatdemon

So all the job instructors are just a couple hundred years old? .....I guess I can work with that~

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Not all, just Grendel, Dances and Athena. Maybe 4th job guys since they're supposed to be wise sages or some such.

The Dark Lord is really young since the last Dark Lord died like 10-20 years ago.

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Originally Posted by MetaSeraphim

Not all, just Grendel, Dances and Athena. Maybe 4th job guys since they're supposed to be wise sages or some such.

The Dark Lord is really young since the last Dark Lord died like 10-20 years ago.

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This.
Actually, I don't even think he died that long ago. Lady Syl looks to be in her mid-to-late 20's or early 30's. Given that the two were very in love (iirc), that puts it more in the range of 5-10 years. Maybe a year or two before MS started, because he seems to be well in power, and the other instructors know him.

aw, well... Jin's a sucker anyway....Gettin owned by level 3 monsters and all.. Thanks for the clear up!

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Originally Posted by Raul

Actually, I don't even think he died that long ago. Lady Syl looks to be in her mid-to-late 20's or early 30's. Given that the two were very in love (iirc), that puts it more in the range of 5-10 years. Maybe a year or two before MS started, because he seems to be well in power, and the other instructors know him.

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I am going by what Manji says. I believe he says something along the lines of that Tristen died over 10 years ago, and the Dark Lord followed soon after.

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Originally Posted by kimicatdemon

Gettin owned by level 3 monsters and all.

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What is this referring to?

Why can't nexon make content in the present? Does anyone else not see the point at going back in time when the real problem is currently in the present?

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Originally Posted by Bloodjedi

Why can't nexon make content in the present? Does anyone else not see the point at going back in time when the real problem is currently in the present?

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Who says?
The most powerful army in the world hasn't been turned evil in the present (admittedly that is in the future).
The Black Mage isn't free and in power in the present.
I assume that the forces of evil that exist in the present still exist in the past and future (zak, HT, Pianus, Balrog, etc). We actually have it easy right now, PB and Von Leon are the only two large threats.

LF> Balrog Expansion. It's gone on long enough. WE NEED HIM BACK.

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Originally Posted by MetaSeraphim

I am going by what Manji says. I believe he says something along the lines of that Tristen died over 10 years ago, and the Dark Lord followed soon after.

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must not have been paying attention during that part. 0_o

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Originally Posted by MetaSeraphim

What is this referring to?

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...the only thing I can think of is Shrooms, but that makes about as much sense as a flying wolf.
http://i55.tinypic.com/28u3gb7.jpg

I still don't get it.. what happened to the Goddess of Time and what were Akyrum's specific plans?

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Originally Posted by Bloodjedi

Why can't nexon make content in the present? Does anyone else not see the point at going back in time when the real problem is currently in the present?

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We're going back in time because the baddies are going back in time... -_-

PS. I would like to take this moment to laugh at whoever said the Goddess of Time only existed on another plane of existence.

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Originally Posted by Raul

http://i55.tinypic.com/28u3gb7.jpg

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Yeah, and pigs will fl-

HOLY SH-

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Originally Posted by Raul

...the only thing I can think of is Shrooms, but that makes about as much sense as a flying wolf.
-snip-

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Well, according to the Dual Blader quest, they managed to steal somethin from him. It's never actually told what it was though...

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Originally Posted by kimicatdemon

Well, according to the Dual Blader quest, they managed to steal somethin from him. It's never actually told what it was though...

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...are you telling me that SHROOMS stole something from the most accomplished thief in Maple World?
:f3:

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Originally Posted by Raul

...are you telling me that SHROOMS stole something from the most accomplished thief in Maple World?
:f3:

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yep. No idea how they did it, but that's how the very start of DB's magical journey goes. I lol'd forever about that. :f2:

Ok,can someone explain to me how you know that if the Goddess of time wakes up bad stuff will happen?.

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Originally Posted by skullowls

Ok,can someone explain to me how you know that if the Goddess of time wakes up bad stuff will happen?.

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The keeper of the temple of time says something like the fabric of time will unravel or something in the quests.

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Originally Posted by Raul

...are you telling me that SHROOMS stole something from the most accomplished thief in Maple World?
:f3:

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Well I can think of a way they could do it very easily, but it involves one of the Shrooms dying.

Step 1: Have a Shroom jump into Dark Lord's mouth as he's eating (so the face mask is removed).
Step 2: Wait for Dark Lord to be fully stoned by the Shroom's intoxicating spores.
Step 3: Rob the comatose Dark Lord for everything he's worth.

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Originally Posted by Sorien

Well I can think of a way they could do it very easily, but it involves one of the Shrooms dying.

Step 1: Have a Shroom jump into Dark Lord's mouth as he's eating (so the face mask is removed).
Step 2: Wait for Dark Lord to be fully stoned by the Shroom's intoxicating spores.
Step 3: Rob the comatose Dark Lord for everything he's worth.

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That's a good plan. Have this relevant animation I sketched out awhile back for your reward:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1395149/mapl...arklordani.gif

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Originally Posted by Takebacker

The keeper of the temple of time says something like the fabric of time will unravel or something in the quests.

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Not quite. The closest thing he says is, "This doesn't simply concern the Temple of Time but it can affect the entire Maple World and its people. Don't just brush it off that easily."

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Originally Posted by Viaje

PS. I would like to take this moment to laugh at whoever said the Goddess of Time only existed on another plane of existence.

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...:f3:...

Makes almost no sense to me though. So the Goddess, floating frozen on her throne, with no mirror behind her, mind you, and Akyrum has had enough time to do some renovations as well.

I present this next statement to the masses with pure, wholehearted passion: wtp?


So...what the hell happened to our timeline's Goddess?

Just to remind everyone of the old maplestory storyline... perhaps we can add onto what we already know:

http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=215&page=1

? major props to IsaacGS for putting the old story together.

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Originally Posted by skullowls

Ok,can someone explain to me how you know that if the Goddess of time wakes up bad stuff will happen?.

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if they follow the story, it would make the most sense for nexon to develop a bunch of story with the black mage, having him win at the end, then the goddess of time wakes up...and maplestory closes.......then comes MAPLE STORY 2!

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Originally Posted by Teppi

if they follow the story, it would make the most sense for nexon to develop a bunch of story with the black mage, having him win at the end, then the goddess of time wakes up...and maplestory closes.......then comes MAPLE STORY 2!

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Exactly what i had in mind .-.

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Originally Posted by Blunderr

...:f3:...

Makes almost no sense to me though. So the Goddess, floating frozen on her throne, with no mirror behind her, mind you, and Akyrum has had enough time to do some renovations as well.

I present this next statement to the masses with pure, wholehearted passion: wtp?


So...what the hell happened to our timeline's Goddess?

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The mirror can be moved... I don't see how it not being there would be an issue...
The Goddess can likely be moved as well.

As for the renovations, the promo videos for Mercedes and DSlayer clearly show that the Black Mage has made the Temple of Time his main base. The darker look shouldn't surprise you.

I don't know what you mean to ask about "our timeline's Goddess".
For all we know, there's no reason to think this past isn't our past.

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Originally Posted by Teppi

if they follow the story, it would make the most sense for nexon to develop a bunch of story with the black mage, having him win at the end, then the goddess of time wakes up...and maplestory closes.......then comes MAPLE STORY 2!

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Except that wouldn't necessarily make sense. Nothing in canon (at least not in the English translation) indicates that the Goddess waking up would be the end of the world.

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Originally Posted by RADRaze2KX

Just to remind everyone of the old maplestory storyline... perhaps we can add onto what we already know:

http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=215&page=1

? major props to IsaacGS for putting the old story together.

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I don't think most of that can be trusted anymore.

IsaacGS did a hell of a job, but he did it before GMS even had Pirates.
The release of every new class has brought new story lines, and many of those stories straight-out contradict much of what's in there.

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Originally Posted by Viaje

Except that wouldn't necessarily make sense. Nothing in canon (at least not in the English translation) indicates that the Goddess waking up would be the end of the world.

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to my understanding everything of the maple world right now is just a longgggggggg dream of the goddess of time. logically, it'd make sense if the maple world disappear if she wakes up since she doesnt dream about it anymore

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Originally Posted by Teppi

to my understanding everything of the maple world right now is just a longgggggggg dream of the goddess of time. logically, it'd make sense if the maple world disappear if she wakes up since she doesnt dream about it anymore

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To your understanding based on what people have said that has no real grounding in the actual in-game text.
So, yes, it would be logical that the world would disappear if she wakes up... if it was indeed a fact that the Maple World is the product of her dream.

Of course, the fact that the Goddess now appears, sleeping, in the game is a rather large blow to that theory, at least in my mind.
Tell me, when's the last time you had a dream in which you were asleep?

I will be doing all of ToT quests as well as pink bean preqs tomorrow, so I could get some SS's of the quest dialogs to clear this whole goddess thing up.

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The mirror can be moved... I don't see how it not being there would be an issue...
The Goddess can likely be moved as well.

As for the renovations, the promo videos for Mercedes and DSlayer clearly show that the Black Mage has made the Temple of Time his main base. The darker look shouldn't surprise you.

I don't know what you mean to ask about "our timeline's Goddess".
For all we know, there's no reason to think this past isn't our past.

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I meant the mirror thing as more of an implied question of WHY isn't it still there. But either way, with further examination, I think it's still there, just hidden behind the massive slab of ice.

Forgot about the whole Black Mage's base thing for a second...

My last sentence of my previous post was asking what exactly the Goddess is doing sitting on her throne during the brink of an apocalypse, but is nowhere to be found in the present? What event made her come down in the past/go away in the present?

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To your understanding based on what people have said that has no real grounding in the actual in-game text.
So, yes, it would be logical that the world would disappear if she wakes up... if it was indeed a fact that the Maple World is the product of her dream.

Of course, the fact that the Goddess now appears, sleeping, in the game is a rather large blow to that theory, at least in my mind.
Tell me, when's the last time you had a dream in which you were asleep?

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stop being stubborn Viaje :f3:

I did all of my ToT quests before BB and yes, we are her dream. Whatever is going on is just a dream.

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stop being stubborn Viaje :f3:

I did all of my ToT quests before BB and yes, we are her dream. Whatever is going on is just a dream.

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I'm not being stubborn; I'm being accurate.

Now, unless you have a specific ToT quest that you can source as saying the entire world is a dream, you need to shut up.
I have full extractions of all NPC text and all text quest, and not such a thing is said.
Believe me, I've looked pretty damn hard.

Go make your faces elsewhere.

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I meant the mirror thing as more of an implied question of WHY isn't it still there. But either way, with further examination, I think it's still there, just hidden behind the massive slab of ice.

Forgot about the whole Black Mage's base thing for a second...

My last sentence of my previous post was asking what exactly the Goddess is doing sitting on her throne during the brink of an apocalypse, but is nowhere to be found in the present? What event made her come down in the past/go away in the present?

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Don't you mean "why it isn't there yet"?
It is hard to tell whether it's behind the ice though, as you said.

We'll have to wait to hear more about the Goddess.
I mean, she could have been hidden away deep within the Temple after this incident.
Or she was hidden before, captured, and moved to her throne for some sort of ceremony.
I don't know Korean or have access to KMS, so I have no idea what exactly is going on in Past Minar, unfortunately.

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I'm not being stubborn; I'm being accurate.

Now, unless you have a specific ToT quest that you can source as saying the entire world is a dream, you need to shut up.
I have full extractions of all NPC text and all text quest, and not such a thing is said.
Believe me, I've looked pretty damn hard.

Go make your faces elsewhere.

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Again, unnecessarily contentious. :P
However, I remember a text saying that the maple world may perhaps be a dream, but otherwise, I don't recall an npc distinctly saying it definitely is a dream.

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Again, unnecessarily contentious. :P
However, I remember a text saying that the maple world may perhaps be a dream, but otherwise, I don't recall an npc distinctly saying it definitely is a dream.

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Yes the Temple Keeper himself said something like that although I don't recall when he says that.

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Again, unnecessarily contentious. :P
However, I remember a text saying that the maple world may perhaps be a dream, but otherwise, I don't recall an npc distinctly saying it definitely is a dream.

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I don't recall you being elevated to a position to make that call.

And, no, no NPC says that the world may be a dream.
The only section of Maplestory described as such is Future Ereve/Henesys, and that's explicitly stated.

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Yes the Temple Keeper himself said something like that although I don't recall when he says that.

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Dig through the .wz files and find it then.