Since in JMS gold and that fast level 90 boards aren't in, and I probably won't be able to get any of the fast boards in GMS, what are good alternatives?
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Since in JMS gold and that fast level 90 boards aren't in, and I probably won't be able to get any of the fast boards in GMS, what are good alternatives?
Gobies rock, if you have a bishop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takebacker
They may be good when its appropriate.
I need about 230acc to hit houses at 7x. ._.
farfromthat
How hard is it exactly to nail all the combos for successful training as an aran?
Is it 'throw a small animal out of rage' hard?
What do you mean?
It's pretty easy. o_o
hit=combo
So mobs are your best friends, especially at high levels when your highest damage comes from a move requiring 30 combo.
Aran's have a low base hp, we all can agree on that, so how does an Aran Pap or zakum? Zakum is a peach when it comes to stunning thus destroying the combo, I read on basil somewhere that aran's stand on the body so they don't lose their combo. Does that mean Aran can't boss efficiently until the very late levels?
pap seems to be easyQuote:
Originally Posted by DustBunny
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i don't know about zak though
That video is outdated though. Smart Knockback was changed so you can't do that so easy now.
She IS dealing over 10k dmage per hit, which is pap's knockback for all classes anyway, so really it's not that much different from a NL doing 10k damage per star or a bowmaster doing 10k per arrow, right?
ok, since no one felt like answering my question, i went and looked around. Google results give me http://www.ellinforest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3400, where they show the hp/mp of Kara, and its much higher then any normal level 200 could be, so its more or less confirmation that washing is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sivrat
And yeah, i didn't really doubt that you wouldnt be able to(given how profitable it is for nexon), but when someone mentions things like that i get worried.
From what I've heard, they get around 47 HP per level, so you could easily have around 6.5k by 130. Hell, get HB and you can already "hump" Zakum's 3rd body. The most important thing about party boss runs is connections, anyways. You're not going to be denied from a ZRun because you can't "hump" Zakum's 3rd body.Quote:
Originally Posted by DustBunny
Also, lolpap sucks for any melee class, but it's really easy to take the touch damage.
Hitting over paps KB constantly with NORMAL ATTACK is pretty much impossible even with her range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Worthyness
Oh look, there's an annotation in the video of a video with her killing pap with the skill update.
[youtube]8wLGCpGZyaU[/youtube]
Yeah. She does catch him occasionally, but not for very long. With an apple and or SE you could easily be able to, but unfortunately those aren't even in KMS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takebacker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VYw1OWyagg (Youtube imbed isn't working... wat.)
60k damage with body pressure at 1:45. Damn, Naricain Demon Elixer+SE+Echo+MW 30 anyone?
That was already caught by me before. :f3:Quote:
Originally Posted by Amphigory
Holy hell, not even 5 mins for a whole Pap run..
I have a tiny question I'm not sure anyone has asked yet, as I don't follow Aran that closely.
Is it better to go out of your way and keep your high combos or just recharge it from scratch? Example is when Pap ducks in and there's a bomb somewhere over a distance away.
Quiet. I'm not reading this whole thread :hothead:Quote:
Originally Posted by Takebacker
@Above- You probably would just use Combo Barrier or Combo Drain, and the rest of your buffs, when pap goes to hide. That is, unless there's a bomb right next to you.
Has anyone translated the exact words from the Aran Ring you get when you hit third job? Is it one of a kind? Scissor-able? Exact stats? Able to be transferred in some sort of way?
One-of-a-kind. Not scissor-able. 3/3/3/3 and 3 attack/m. attack. I am not sure on the DEF stats, because this is off the top of my head. It can be transfered through the bank, so it is only usable on characters on the same account.Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW
Is the one-of-a-kind per account of per character? Anyways now I might aswell just make 1 Aran because you can't get multiple of the rings on each character and it's not like I have separate sets of common equipment for each character.Quote:
Originally Posted by TehMatt
I wonder if Nexon Korea is going to do more of these things. If each new class gives a ring with different effects it might give some choice on which equipment to wear (even though you can wear 4 rings). I really hope they are going to make more different and usefull rings, pendants, earrings, accesories and capes anyway.
Woot! After seeing the video changes, how overpowered are Aran now that they can't make bosses their peach anymore?
Would the Smart KB change completely make it useless if it's only usable in training now?
Smart KB is almost useless in 3rd job training in GMS anyway, so i dunno.Quote:
Originally Posted by IllegallySane
Making monsters your b'itch isn't that bad.
I wonder how many people wont make an Aran now that Smart KB has been nerfed. lol
i wont. im making it just for lirins ring... and then delete...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chameleonic
Deletion: Why???Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanNim
Just keep it there. It won't matter.
Well, as long as we get an extra character slot :glitter:
Edit: By the way, if anyone still reads this, does anyone know what Pianus-ing is like with an Aran? I've noticed that even in the lvl16x Miss Godly videos she hits under 10-12k at times, which would set off bombs. If you're unwashed without their Achilles skill and the combo defense, can you survive the bombs at around 13x-14x? Or is it not really an issue with how Aran's attacks affect bomb activation?
I dont mean to hijack your question but it brings a rather intriguing thought. Sorry if it was covered earlier but wouldnt blood building (not washing) be ideal for aran? You get ton's of hp to tank bosses early yet maintain your combo without being stunned. You do less damage therefore maintain higher combo's right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitteh
Sounds good on paper at least.
So I've been meaning to, y'know, prepare ahead by buying a good number of Polearm scrolls and Polearm weapons, but I've sorta procrastinated and just now decided to finally get on it.
IF I can find anything still cheap (highly doubtful, but I'll still look), what kind of weapons should I look for? I had bought a Guan Yu Polearm a month ago, but all but 1 scroll failed on it, so it's basically useless... but with some spare Maple Coins from CPQ on a low-leveled character, I got a 76 ATT Nine Dragons--should I keep this and use it for my Aran?
Are the Snowboards any good? I've got a good number of different ones, but no Super Snowboard. I also got some of the Valentine's event Roses, would they be good to use?
Basically just need to know what weapons I should, IDEALLY, have/use from 30 to the end-game weapon.
I think the roses are good enough for like unfunded people. the boards as well considering both items generally have a faster speed than the other polearms of that level barrier... Way i see it, it's just like making any class- find the best weapon that you can afford and stick with it until you can afford to buy another one.
105+ Karstan or *some attack here* arcglaive would probably be good for end game. Ima just use clean weapons forever (YAY event weapons :D) just because i can't really afford a decent polearm with 30 mil...
arans dont look fun. and im not going to bandwagon until i become a bishop atleast.Quote:
Originally Posted by TehMatt
Hmm ... quick question, whats the story with Aran and CWK pq?
Im assuming it'll be like KoCs and they cant enter?
Would be great if they can go... It'd be good to have a MoN.
Considering they're the master Warrior class, they'll probably be accepted in as warriors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyber Akuma
Not sure if this has been answered before, but I had an interesting question.
The Arans start out with a unique hair colour and skin colour--if I were to change to another hairstyle, would it retain that really unique Aran colour, or would it change?
Wouldn't they have trouble at the Sigil's? I can't remember what skills you need to activate them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amphigory
Do we get an extra character slot if we use our 4 character slots when Arans come out?
Isn't their hair just brown? I didn't think it was special, but if the Aran DO get a unique hair color, then no, it would change.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperNerd
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punch
I just noticed that. They only get a new skin, there is no white hair. But you will get to have any skin on your Aran no doubt just like with Cygnus. It's only KMS that doesn't let you change. Though this makes me think if they do make a new class what will they pick for the default skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperNerd
Do we have to have 4 character slots used up?
Or will we get the 5th slot no matter what.. even if we only take up 2 slots persay?
You will get a free slot no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punch
Grazie :f2:Quote:
Originally Posted by imjon
What was the nerf made to smart knock-back?
It can't be used on a Boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkmaniak
Ohh... so people can't do what that Aran did on the Lyka video anymore....
How do you guys pronounce Aran?
Like Air-N (or Erin)?
uh-ran?
I have always pronounced it "air-an"Quote:
Originally Posted by Puppeteer
Air-ran.
Air-in.
A ron.
aran thats how i say it.
Technically its
"Ah Lrahn"
Long A sound,
lrthingy that asian languages have.
I pronounce "Aran" in spanish.... o,o
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Originally Posted by Punch
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Originally Posted by imjon
Just thought it'd be worth mentioning that extra slots will probably only be given to accounts that are older than a given date decided by nexon. As was the case with KoCs... I think all accounts made before the KoC patch were expanded, but the new ones are still stuck with the usual 3 slots (which kind of makes reasonable sense anyway).
I, for one will enjoy having another slot for a mule. I dont believe in having more than one main per account, for the sake of being able to use more than one at a time or incase i get hacked. (But now also keeping a secondary just for blessing advantage)
Aa-RaahnQuote:
How do you guys pronounce Aran?
extra As for extended "A" sound =)
I noticed in the second Pap video that her regular attack could hit multiple enemies. What's up with that?
EDIT: Specifically, it's at 3:45.
Would it be possible to find where the 4th job books drop from?
granted there will be a few Zak books and pap books...
Ya, the regular attack can also hit 12.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaidaTan
wutQuote:
Originally Posted by TehMatt
How does Final Toss actually work. I know that it pushes monsters into the air, and that you do more damage on airbone-monsters. But do monsters stay long enough in the air for the added damage? How do you train with Final Toss? Do you toss every monster into the air, and use it everytime after Triple Swing? I would like to know how usefull it is and if it should be maxed before or after the attack increasing skills (Full Swing, Critical Combo, Snow Charge and Phantom Peril). =)
Final Toss is very hard to work with in 3rd job, mine is only level 1 and I can barely ever hit them when the monster is in the air. I've heard it gets easier once it's higher leveled and you hit 4th job. Aslo, Smart Knockback apparently helps it a little.
Monsters stay in the air if you can KB them as they are falling. You train with final toss just as a way to add extra damage if you can't 1hko/2hko. It really helps to add damage to a large mob where Aran's get their damage distributed between them. It only activates after triple swing if you press up and attack. You can decide between many moves after triple swing, or not, so it doesn't activate after every triple swing. As for maxing it, I don't really know when the best time have maxed it would have been. Definitely max it before Combo Peril though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yokuyin
I was just wondering if anyone has managed to find out the attack time in ms of the Aran skills for each attack speed. If possible, could someone extract them and put them here / in the attack speed reference area?
아란 is how I pronounce it :wink: (Ah-Rahn)Quote:
Originally Posted by Puppeteer
Thanks for the answers. Final Toss is a difficult skill to calculate the damage for the Aran Calculations I'm doing. If for example when you do after Final Toss another Triple Attack, and the monsters are airbone with the first 2 attacks and not anymore with the third attack, plus you do Final Toss after every Triple Attack, then it would be calculateable. But as I see now, Final Toss is an unpredictable skill. =(Quote:
Originally Posted by TehMatt
I have another question. Is it true that the last attack of Triple Attack has spread out damage? That means that when for example the skill is maxed, not all monsters receive the full 250% damage, but a fraction of it like the warriors Final Attack? Are there other skills with spread out damage? Otherwise I have to rerun my calculations. :eek:
Every Aran skill I have seen has decreased damage per mob when attacking multiple monsters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yokuyin
im figuring out what would be a good build for my aran if i where to reach 4th job (which im 100% sure i will). by saying that i mean i couldnt care less if i miss out some 2nd or 3rd job skills if i dont use them at 4th job.
so here my questions:
final charge or combo smash
which of those 2 do i use during 4th job, and how important are they
i have 51 points to devide between these 3 skills, which 2 of the 3 do i use most in 4th job?
final toss
fenrir phantom
whirlwind
which of these 2 do i use most in 4th job, and how often do i use them, i see final blow quite often in video's.. is this skill an often used skill at 1:1 battles or am i watching the wrong vids?
final blow or
combo tempest
last question;
what would a normal boss and/or mob attacking chain look like at bosses? what skills do i use after eachother and which skills do i only use in special situations?
i'll reason my skill build after this so if its possible i'd like comment about why which skill :)
thanks to whoever responds :D
From my limited knowledge (sorry if this isn't much help), Final Charge is like Rush, and as a warrior you know how amazing that skill is. You'll use it in 4th job plenty of times.Quote:
Originally Posted by KatanaKiwi
I would've said Fenrir Phantom would replace Combo Smash but there's a difference of 70 combo between them. But from most videos I've seen, they just recast Drain if their combo was in danger of running out instead of pulling out a Combo Smash.
Apparently you won't ever use Whirlwind. You can leave it at 0. I don't see why you'd want to push and stun things when you need to hug them and continue your combo. So to answer your second question, the 2/3 you'll use in 4th job is Fenrir Phantom and Final Toss. Although I only see it used very few times in very few videos. So I'm not entirely sure how useful the skill actually is. It adds extra damage but you can only use it after Triple Swing, and I'm sure whatever monster you're attacking will have lost most of its hp or would be dead if you use Final Blow after Triple Swing instead.
Final Blow is a necessity. I see it used in every video, and the Zakum/Horntail ones. Good for 1v1, even better for mobs.
From what I've been told and what I've seen, Combo Tempest isn't very good at all. Maybe Lv1 will be enough for a while. I'd rather spend the 200 Combo on Barrier.
Normal attacking chain is Attack>Attack>Attack>Final Blow. Sorry I don't know the names, I think it's just Overswing>Double Swing>Triple Swing>Final Blow. That itself already has a wide range. I see that as the "spammed" attack sequence in pretty much all the videos.
I'd assume in bosses you just keep Combo Barrier up, if there's a large mob, you can fire off a Fenrir Phantom or use Combo Tempest.
Hope that helped!
Looking at this video:
[YOUTUBE]8wLGCpGZyaU[/YOUTUBE]
I really wonder why she isn't using Final Blow a LOT more (she only uses it a few times, more in the end though)?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rei
AFAIK, there is no minimum combo requirement for casting it (just only triple swing), so why doesn't she use it a lot more?
Like: ATTACK > ATTACK > ATTACK > DOWNARROW > ATTACK [repeat]
Is there something I'm overlooking here? Final Blow does more DPS right? Or is it REALLY hard to cast? o.0
Question: At what levels do you actually get all the quests? I have the quest guide from Ellin Forest (here), but it's kind of ambiguous.
Because if she used final blow her prey would become un-KBed and would then have to take more damage to re-KB it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devil
From the looks of it, it seemed like she was kb'ing just as well with Final Blow as without.
Maybe using FB makes her more vulnerable to getting knocked off? Or it's just faster to spam overswing instead of using Blow at the end? o_O
It is just easier to do overswing after overswing than to perform a Final Blow. Final Blow really doesn't mess back knockbacks, but it can be a hassle to use if you don't do it perfect every time (i.e. you press the key too early and you lay down for a second). I only use final blow now to finish off a mob because it can sometimes save me a few overswing hits. And as a warning, Final Blow's range is WAY TOO FAR. Whenever I am training I have to be careful to not hit things too far away because then I aggro them, have to rush to them, and I take a lot more damage. And just cause I feel like adding it, the picture in my post illustrates my best reference point for Final Blow's range. From one of those platforms to the other.
http://i37.tinypic.com/14taic7.png
Wow that's crazy range. So using Final Blow as a finisher is good if you stack monsters?
Also, I'm still looking for the locations of certain skill/mastery books.
Okay, uh..
I made speed shoes to use on my Dawn Warrior while merchanting, and it'll be available for my future Aran.
If I have a ZHelm and a Guan Yu (82att 32acc), I should use the speed shoes instead of making ACC shoes, right?
Gold Hildon Boots
3 STR, 12 speed
Gold Hildon Boots
3 STR, 6 acc
Its damage also gets split, just so you know. I use it when I know I can finish them off with a final blow only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akebo
Speed helps keep your combo up, so yeah, speed > acc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Infection
It's the same deal as when people get a PAC and a YAC for their dexless warriors- one offers more ACC when needed and the other gives you more damage when you don't need the accuracy boost.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetaSeraphim
So how come I've never seen an Aran riding their wolf mounts?
I read a lot of guides, and (almost) all suggest:
max triple swing
max combo critical
max snow charge
max toss
max fenrir phantom (or whatever it's called)
Is the 110% damage that great? Since I'll be training at himes lvl 85~1xx, should I get fenrir phantom earlier? The 100 combo is quite easy to get... with a priest I always got 8~12 himes, 100 combos would take 2-3 hits.
100 combos with 12 himes = 9 hits.Quote:
Originally Posted by kranten
Snow charge isn't solely maxed for the 110% damage. It slows monsters.
How useful is slow at himes? When I stop training there I'll have charge maxed anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takebacker
I meant 2-3 'chains',
normal attack + double + triple + final toss is 5 combos per 'chain' (hit) right?
I'm not sure how Aran's fight =/
They use the Attack Key AND Skills?
All attacks are based on the regular attack button and the arrows. A few buffs are like this too (the ones that need some combo to be used).Quote:
Originally Posted by Punch
All other buffs are like a normal class' buffs.
You'll outdamage a fenrir before ice build by far with the ice before fenrir build because critical's power and frequency are only at their peak when your combo is 100+.Quote:
Originally Posted by kranten
Really, the only reason fenrir is maxed is because whirlwind sucks and fenrir is just barely useful when you're going to lose your combo anyways (like at skeles/wyverns on the bottom panel or at Oblivion when you have to climb a rope and rebuff).
So what's the recommended build?
70~77 max triple swing
77~84 max critical combo
84~94 max final toss
94~100 max snow charge
100~110 max fenrir
This, except snow charge before toss, and Smart KB somewhere in there :shine:Quote:
Originally Posted by kranten
I capped my pirates dex at level 70.. I'm not sure what to cap my dex at on my Aran, I don't want to go dexless or super low.. So what would the average dex for an Aran around 70? I've searched warrior threads and it's hard to find what I'm looking for. ^^; Thanks :D
How do Arans cope with acc? I've never played a warrior, will 17 acc from my MM's Blessing help my noob Aran a lot if I go dexless?
yes it will help you a lot but you'll still have some accuracy problems. at lvl 50 you'll need to make a well scrolled accuracy zakum helmet. untill then you can use dex overalls. the eassiest and cheapest way to get some nice accuracy at start is to buy a lvl 30 or 35 warrior overall and scroll them with 100% overall dex scroll for the kerning city swamp scroll npc. you can also use accuracy pills from ludibrium.
this way its fairly well possible to leave your dex capped between 4 and 23. dont go over 23 dex because then you cant reach 999str at lvl 200
edit: some additional info that might help you,
1dex = 0,8 accuracy
1luk = 0,5 accuracy
that means a clean zakum helm average gives 39,5 accuracy
stuff like an aran ring (3/3/3/3) allready gives 3,9 accuracy. since we have a lot of equips that add points to all stats i think you should proffit from that. those equips add both str for your dmg and accuracy for hitting stuff. that way you can leave other equips left to scroll purely for dmg, not worrying about accuracy
Dont forget the 500combo medal. It gives +3 luk/dex and 5 Accuracy.
Also 17accuracy is huge I only get 8 a 9 accuracy difference can make a difference from 80% to 100% hit.
Also you are better off using a bathrobe for speed.
Later in higher lvls when you can 100% the monsters you train on switch to top/bottom which will lower your accuracy so make sure you plan ahead of time.
And speed shoes>accuracy shoes same for cape until higher lvls.
In no event get a Accuracy glove adding dex is a much better idea.
To be dexless you only need around 300m check the thread on lolbasil to go on basil its under the warrior section.
So i have a 99/13 karstan ready for Aran. How long will this last me? Order of goodness seems to be Purp Surfboard->Arcglave->Red Surfboard -> Eclipse -> Karstan. So should I go for makering/scrolling an Eclipse to use at 80, or will the karstan be fine for longer? Note that once I get a zhelm I won't really need the karstan's acc until Time temple shenanigans.
I know you guys may be tired hearing about this, but I updated my calculator again. This time I added the correct attacking speeds, with the help of the guys in the attack-speed reference thread. This is an excel spread sheet
http://www.mediafire.com/file/jwy0rr..._Book_V_3.xlsx
Here is a file in compatability mode.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/mrwnyf...patability.xls
Here is the low-down of the items:
-All first-fourth job attacking skills
-All buffs that control damage and attack speeds
-Damage-recieved calculator
-Critical damages
-Max and min damages
-Damage per shot
-DPS
-Average HKO
-Chance to OHKO
-HKO range
-Chance of KB (Has smart KB)
-Meso/shot
-EXP/shot
Have fun!
Edit: sorry I added this to this thread.
Is the "PA COMBO COUNT" box the current combo divided by 10? If so why does it only let me go up to 5 and not 10?
Thanks
Knew I needed to change something! I'll check that right away. Yes, it is the combo divided by ten, but does not effect the critical. Critical Count changes that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxTag
Just checked it, and it appears the info in the error box is wrong. You CAN raise it to 10, but the error message says from 0-5. Ill edit it later.
Edit: Since the Aran's damage lowers per monster for every extra monster hit, I am going to slowly change the damages for the aran attacks. This will all be done with the help of this thread: http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15602
The 2 best endgame weapons are Purple surfboards and Arcglaves, right?
Right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonlapse
Lesser options could be 105+ Maple Karstans or 120+ Red Surfboards.
Or eclipse but Ive heard from slow 7 to normal 6 is not a huge difference im not sure by how much though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rei
Just a referance,
http://i45.tinypic.com/24niujr.jpg
+8 with 0 hammers applied? wtp?
I'm guessing it dealt with the whole white scroll/clean slate glitch.
Maybe it was one of those 9 slot weapons from gacha MSEA has ?
Would a 110 atk Karstan be close to an endgame weapon?
yeah, since ppl rarely gacha in nlc here... most of the raven weapons and other masteria weapons came from gold boxes.
I have a 109karstan but I feel like I can do much better just wait for purple surfboard gold box lol or try to get a arcglaive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chameleonic