[1.2.323] (2) Moar Skill Balancing

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Originally Posted by Cyanne

The rapid fire delay value is the time it takes to start it up, not necessarily to shoot each bullet.

To clarify, the delay list draws from a base set of animations your character can go through. For example, fire arrow, holy arrow, bow shots, etc. use shoot1, crossbow shots use shoot2, archer final attacks and 3rd job mage comp arrows use shootF, etc. Pre-4th job, maple usually just stuck with those base animations aside from certain skills like savage blow but started getting fancier about how your character moves starting mostly with 4th job and pirates. Pirate skills all draw from pieces of those base animations because if they created a new position your character could be in just for pirates, they'd have to animate every single existing piece of equipment in the game to fit that animation, which is way too much work. The same is true for every new job.

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So does that mean that hurricane and Rapid fire have a new delay of 60 then, or is it still the same as it always has been?

Edit: Technicaly Rapid fire and hurricane don't have waiting periods during the animation to start, you could literly walk around spamming the hurricane key and it'd instantly fire off a single arrow for each time you press it w/o animation delay. The only other delay for the skill would be the intervals between each shot, which was 0.120, and is now 0.060 according to the new data.

But like everyone else said, no ones even bothered to make a video or nothing of a BM or a corsair yet. So we can't be too sure until someones finished making vids about heros and make a BM, or wait for spadow to get off his high-horse and provide additional information.

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Originally Posted by Random_Overlord

So does that mean that hurricane and Rapid fire have a new delay of 60 then, or is it still the same as it always has been?

Edit: Technicaly Rapid fire and hurricane don't have waiting periods during the animation to start, you could literly walk around spamming the hurricane key and it'd instantly fire off a single arrow for each time you press it w/o animation delay. The only other delay for the skill would be the intervals between each shot, which was 0.120, and is now 0.060 according to the new data.

But like everyone else said, no ones even bothered to make a video or nothing of a BM or a corsair yet.

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No one knows. Hurricane and Rapid Fire have 300ms delays from starting. That means 300ms after you push the button, then you'll start shooting arrows or bullets at 120ms a shot. Perhaps they've lowered this, who knows.

Is the latest wild shot at 150% or 180%? Also .. wild hunter's sharp eyes only +10% damage now?

So how does ultimate strafe look like?
Strafe with just 2 more arrows? :x

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Originally Posted by Devil

Well I saw 50k dmg roars at the speed of 1 per second at some DkK vid here at the vid thread... it's about 4x the speed of the current genesis spam...

Now I don't know if that's weak to you, but I don't think so that it is...

The shadower in some other vid onlyl did 40k bsteps (that's including SP damage)... and bstep only has 1/10 the range of dragon roar...

Dark Knights will be the new Ultimate spam abusers, alongside their healmulebots and their holysymbolmulebots...

Too bad this gameplay is still present in maple after the rebalance...

Why not just add a cooldown to Dragon Roar... then we're finally rid of that crap ultimate spamming... -.-

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Oh for...None of that even makes sense

Ok then, consider this, why do DKs not use dragon roar to train with right now? Because its slower to train with it than it is regular skills. Where are you getting this idea that people will use it to leech over just having someone kill normally? Because I'm pretty damn sure they'd get more exp that way. Even with berserk adding to D.Roars damage.

And then you need to, again, think about the monster levels and changes to the exp ratios. Even if they could "in theory" leech from a DK, there is nothing *good* to leech from at any level where leeching has been a problem anymore

any one here can confirm if the the dual charge in paladin is removed in the revamp? Cos some website say remove and some say still there?

The WZ files are inconclusive in regards to dual charging. Nothing in the WZ files state whether it's possible or impossible, same as always.

Will you now update the KOR and ENG tables of the skills with the animations, Fiel? :D

Tag-teaming off Yorkie's question a bit, can you update the Korean Aran/Evan/Resistance/Cygnus tables Paul? Thanks :).

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Originally Posted by Fiel

The WZ files are inconclusive in regards to dual charging. Nothing in the WZ files state whether it's possible or impossible, same as always.

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Lightning Charge's description still states that it can be used in conjunction with another charge.
"다른 속성의 차지 스킬과 중복하여 사용할 수 있다."

Descriptions can obviously be wrong though, but it wouldn't make sense otherwise as they'd be significantly weaker than Heroes and Dark Knights, in my opinion. It would be very similar to pre-Dual Charge again where Paladins don't even outDPS Heroes when they have Holy advantage if I remember correctly.

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Originally Posted by Fiel

A new "CONSUME" item was added - "SP initialization order". It restores all of your SP, then sets all available skills to have 1 SP in them. Note that since this is a consume item, it's not to be sold in the cash shop.

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do we have to re-scroll all our skillbooks then? o.o

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Originally Posted by holycow

do we have to re-scroll all our skillbooks then? o.o

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....dear god I hope not. I would really like to know this too. =_=;

*hoards all Paladin skill books anyway*

@Re-scrolling Mastery Books: I highly doubt it. When a Mastery Book is passed, the game recognizes that your character now has the potential to add SP to a specific skill up to a specific level. To give an analogy, passing a skillbook is like digging deeper in a pool to increase the overall volume of water that can be added. Even if the pool is empty, the same amount of water can be added upon each fill relative to the depth of the hole.

Sorry that I can't explain this technologically, with code lingo that would help definitively prove this is the case, but I'm 99% sure we're all fine.

When it comes to books, here is the truth: 5Sp in a skill is the requirement to use a Mastery 20 book. It's the requirement for the use of the book only. Once you use the book, it cannot be undone. Dropping your SP below 5 doesn't 'undo' the book.

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Originally Posted by FrozNlite

@Re-scrolling Mastery Books: I highly doubt it. When a Mastery Book is passed, the game recognizes that your character now has the potential to add SP to a specific skill up to a specific level. To give an analogy, passing a skillbook is like digging deeper in a pool to increase the overall volume of water that can be added. Even if the pool is empty, the same amount of water can be added upon each fill relative to the depth of the hole.

Sorry that I can't explain this technologically, with code lingo that would help definitively prove this is the case, but I'm 99% sure we're all fine.

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What if my pool has a different name? And different shapes if that isn't enough.

its just like normal sp reset. after scrolling a lvl 30 book and you sp reset your skill to 14 points, do you need to scroll the book again? answer: NO.

ok.. thanks all for the info =)

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Originally Posted by Kalovale

What if my pool has a different name? And different shapes if that isn't enough.

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That was more or less along the lines I was thinking of. If they changed the skills...did they also change the skill IDs? 'cause if they did... <.<

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Originally Posted by Kalovale

What if my pool has a different name? And different shapes if that isn't enough.

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if ( book.Passed ) { SkillID.MasteryLevel = SkillID.masteryLevel + 5' }
else { send.Message.red('The book has failed') }

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They can rename stuff all they want, but as long as it has the same skill ID, it'll be fine. I don't know if changes like Brandish -> Brave Slash added new skills, or if they just renamed and reformatted a current one. Find the icon in the KOR Skill tables, view image, compare the ID with an icon from the gMS skill tables Fiel has.

If a 4th job skill is still a 4th job skill before and after the Patch, I doubt you'll need to re-use skill books.