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Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - KhainiWest - 2013-01-17
See Wrote:http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/16lkhq/this_sandy_hook_conspiracy_video_has_been_making/c7xjgzr
Ill leave this here.
Wow, I spent like 10 minutes looking for that and you already posted them
. But yeah, it's more sick that people believe this crap when a lick of googleing will debunck majority of it.
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - IImaplers - 2013-01-17
Relevant (and disproven as well): http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2584151
OT: No proof of anything whatsoever. Just full blown coincidences or 3rd party claims.
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - Flonne - 2013-01-17
See Wrote:http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/16lkhq/this_sandy_hook_conspiracy_video_has_been_making/c7xjgzr
Ill leave this here.
That does a pretty good job of proving most of it is fake, but it also further convinces me that most modern media organizations are completely in the government's pocket; they constantly push stories that help get bills passed, and even the negative reports they do have an underlying spin of "maybe if you scumbag republicans/democrats/socialists would follow along with the *insert party alignment*, we could get somewhere in this country". Sure, there can be conflicting arguments on the news, there are all the time, in fact, the news is pretty much worthless if you are looking for facts nowadays; still, it strikes me as a bit odd that they were all so adamant about the assault rifle being in the building when it was clearly not.
All of the other points in this are reasonable explanations aside from the 5th, however I feel that it is unrelated to this particular conspiracy theory, so for the case of this one I can go along with it being faked as well, in that it wasn't the government setting this up, rather, it's just a father being a douchebag and trying to claim his daughter is dead for free money/donations.
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - KhainiWest - 2013-01-17
Flonne Wrote:That does a pretty good job of proving most of it is fake, but it also further convinces me that most modern media organizations are completely in the government's pocket; they constantly push stories that help get bills passed, and even the negative reports they do have an underlying spin of "maybe if you scumbag republicans/democrats/socialists would follow along with the *insert party alignment*, we could get somewhere in this country". Sure, there can be conflicting arguments on the news, there are all the time, in fact, the news is pretty much worthless if you are looking for facts nowadays; still, it strikes me as a bit odd that they were all so adamant about the assault rifle being in the building when it was clearly not.
All of the other points in this are reasonable explanations aside from the 5th, however I feel that it is unrelated to this particular conspiracy theory, so for the case of this one I can go along with it being faked as well, in that it wasn't the government setting this up, rather, it's just a father being a douchebag and trying to claim his daughter is dead for free money/donations.
Maybe for advertising and bias towards certain products, but certainly not fake mass murders......
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - Flonne - 2013-01-17
KhainiWest Wrote:Maybe for advertising and bias towards certain products, but certainly not fake mass murders......
I didn't say that they fake mass murders, I said that they use them to their advantage. So do politicians.
Didn't you see Obama's speech just recently on gun control? He surrounded himself with little kids. That's not just a little bit fucked up, that's REALLY fucked up; he is using people's emotions to get what he wants. Logic rarely works for them and they can rarely control it. Emotions however...those are very easy to control.
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - Sardines - 2013-01-17
Flonne Wrote:I didn't say that they fake mass murders, I said that they use them to their advantage. So do politicians.
Didn't you see Obama's speech just recently on gun control? He surrounded himself with little kids. That's not just a little bit pineappleed up, that's REALLY pineappleed up; he is using people's emotions to get what he wants. Logic rarely works for them and they can rarely control it. Emotions however...those are very easy to control.
You do realize that Obama was doing very little with respect to gun control before the shootings.
Which would mean that the source of gun control concern would be due to the shootings. Not due to the politicians.
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - Flonne - 2013-01-17
Sardines Wrote:You do realize that Obama was doing very little with respect to gun control before the shootings.
Indeed. He was waiting for the correct moment to bring it up, and now it's here.
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - Sardines - 2013-01-17
Flonne Wrote:Indeed. He was waiting for the correct moment to bring it up, and now it's here.
In your mind, the president waits for school shootings... in order to address them. Like he's in his presidential swivel chair, doing circle spins and waiting for some school to get shot up in the United States and then he just jumps up, with this giant smile on his face and prints out his speech that he had prepared from a long time ago then takes Biden arm to arm and then go waltzing off to the media.
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - Flonne - 2013-01-17
Sardines Wrote:In your mind, the president waits for school shootings... in order to address them.
I would take it a step further; every politician waits for any massive tragedy that supports their agenda.
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - Sardines - 2013-01-17
Flonne Wrote:I would take it a step further; every politician waits for any massive tragedy that supports their agenda.
What is Obama's agenda.
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - Flonne - 2013-01-17
Sardines Wrote:What is Obama's agenda.
What is the liberal agenda? Presidents are just a figurehead that takes public flak, I'm not going to pretend they are all-powerful dictators. A liberal president will have a mostly liberal agenda, and a conservative president will have a mostly conservative agenda, and if they don't, they get zero support from their party and funders. The entire system is terrible, and Congress isn't going to do pomegranate to change it because they would be undermining their own authority and power by doing so.
Why does it matter what his agenda is, anyway? The fact of the matter is, he DID try to use the emotions of the public to get what he wanted in that press conference, just like he did in the first election with the hope and change nonsense, just like every other figurehead does. They may not even be aware of the fact that they are doing it at this point, that's how ingrained into them it has become.
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - KhainiWest - 2013-01-17
Flonne Wrote:I would take it a step further; every politician waits for any massive tragedy that supports their agenda.
Do you mean the connecticut or the colorado shooting that occured during his terms? What agenda by the way? He's not going for gun control, and it's just paranoia, that he's going to do as such. Alex Jones making a fool out of himself is a great example of people who are irrationally trying to imply this. The only thing Obama is attempting/has done is allow CDC in the first time in like 2 frekin decades to conduct research on the causes and prevention of gun violence, including links between video games, media images, and violence.
That's it.
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Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - Flonne - 2013-01-17
KhainiWest Wrote:-snip-
Funny, they mentioned emotions vs. logic in that video, too. It's always used to support ones own side, heh. I realize that he is mainly focused on assault weapons in this case; why? The assault rifle wasn't even in the school. What does that have to do with anything? There were also propositions of limiting clip size. Why? Someone can have more than 1 clip or, like in this case, more than 1 gun so he doesn't even have to reload it, just toss the one that's out of bullets and move on to the next.
The problem I personally have with this is, any restriction on our right to bear arms is a treacherously slippery slope; a child will try to get away with things just to see if he can, and that is a good analogy to what is happening here. They see that one thing works, they move onto the next, then if that works, they move on to the next, et cetera; they don't want to make a compromise, they want things to go entirely their way. When they are asked if they support fully banning guns, a straight answer is never given, because it CAN'T be given; they know that telling the truth and saying what they actually think would hurt their poll numbers.
We already have perfectly good gun control laws in place, but there are so many loopholes to get around them that they might as well not exist. But gun control isn't the same; what is desired is gun REMOVAL. If an opportunity presents itself, those against guns will take it without a second thought, regardless of the consequences.
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - KhainiWest - 2013-01-17
Flonne Wrote:Funny, they mentioned emotions vs. logic in that video, too. It's always used to support ones own side, heh. I realize that he is mainly focused on assault weapons in this case; why? The assault rifle wasn't even in the school. What does that have to do with anything? There were also propositions of limiting clip size. Why? Someone can have more than 1 clip or, like in this case, more than 1 gun so he doesn't even have to reload it, just toss the one that's out of bullets and move on to the next.
The problem I personally have with this is, any restriction on our right to bear arms is a treacherously slippery slope; a child will try to get away with things just to see if he can, and that is a good analogy to what is happening here. They see that one thing works, they move onto the next, then if that works, they move on to the next, et cetera; they don't want to make a compromise, they want things to go entirely their way. When they are asked if they support fully banning guns, a straight answer is never given, because it CAN'T be given; they know that telling the truth and saying what they actually think would hurt their poll numbers.
We already have perfectly good gun control laws in place, but there are so many loopholes to get around them that they might as well not exist. But gun control isn't the same; what is desired is gun REMOVAL. If an opportunity presents itself, those against guns will take it without a second thought, regardless of the consequences.
All that information is irrelevant. You stated that obama was waiting for an opportunity to bring up gun control to get the "far left wing" legislation agenda passed, which, speaking in general, is hardcore gun control, or outright banning them. Obama did not suddenly jump on this out of his personal interest, in fact nothing was even questioned about the Colorado shooting, although I will say that the election had an affect on that (Although it wouldn't make much of a difference considering they assumed he was going to attempt mass gun control anyway), now we have a second one, the worst in history. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, two incidents of this proportion does demand some type of action. Obama's action, that everyone was so afraid of....was allowing CDC research the f`uckin problem, which indirectly may put more emphasis on mental health care then "lol its gunz totes".
That was the point, your hypothesis that Obama is using these circumstances to simply benefit him are blown way out of proportion, based on the recent events and his response.
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - TaliaNCo - 2013-01-17
My daughter showed me this a few days ago. Not sure I believe any of it really. Just as the news media can edit/omit certain details from anything (and they do), so can someone gathering up their "evidence" to make a YouTube video about it.
The talk about the medical examiner was crazy. I mean, come on, I think you have to be a little "twacked" in the head to have that for a career choice anyway. Not to mention he obviously seems very socially awkward and having all those cameras and reporters around is something that obviously makes him nervous.
The picture of "Emilie" on the President's lap is hogwash. I have children and have passed down clothes from one child to the other of the same gender. My two youngest children look very much alike. They're also only 16 months apart in age and are now virtually the same size. People always ask if they're twins and they're a boy and a girl. Never mind taking two girls close in age with the same parents. I'm not buying this one at all.
The father of Emilie Parker.......
This is probably the only real thing that disturbed me even a little. However, I can't imagine losing a child and have no idea what any of these parents are going through. I'm fairly certain someone would have to drug me heavily and lock me in a padded cell, but I'm a different person.
I won't lie though, it does make even the most rational person think really hard. This came at a time when gun control topics are through the roof in this country. It is the hottest debate we have going on right now. I am a mother of 4, my heart aches for every person affected by this, but I will never be for the kind of gun control this country is opting for. Take our guns away and we are fucked!
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - Flonne - 2013-01-17
KhainiWest Wrote:All that information is irrelevant. You stated that obama was waiting for an opportunity to bring up gun control to get the "far left wing" legislation agenda passed, which, speaking in general, is hardcore gun control, or outright banning them.
They are clever about some things; manipulating others is one of them. You can't just go straight to banning, that would instantly cause a civil war larger than the previous one. They think that by slowly implementing it, people will think it's OK, or that we will simply forget about all previous restrictions each time a new one is pushed through.
Colorado was not mentioned because it wasn't enough; a bunch of little kids getting killed is a golden ticket, so to speak. They couldn't have known it was going to happen, but I'm sure part of them is very happy that it did. Obama, rather, his entire party with him as the figurehead, IS using this to his advantage, just like Bush used 9/11 to his advantage. It's not just a single person/party, it's all of them.
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - KhainiWest - 2013-01-17
Flonne Wrote:They are clever about some things; manipulating others is one of them. You can't just go straight to banning, that would instantly cause a civil war larger than the previous one. They think that by slowly implementing it, people will think it's OK, or that we will simply forget about all previous restrictions each time a new one is pushed through.
Colorado was not mentioned because it wasn't enough; a bunch of little kids getting killed is a golden ticket, so to speak. They couldn't have known it was going to happen, but I'm sure part of them is very happy that it did. Obama, rather, his entire party with him as the figurehead, IS using this to his advantage, just like Bush used 9/11 to his advantage. It's not just a single person/party, it's all of them.
I'll agree to disagree, one thing I don't like that has been done recently by Obama is the increase to security for President families from 10 years to all of their life, these people make millions of dollars and the fed has to put up money to protect them why? Off topic though.
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - Sardines - 2013-01-17
Flonne Wrote:
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Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - Flonne - 2013-01-17
Sorry, but, what? Some sort of poke at me being illogical and my arguments looking like the rantings of a child? I have no idea what that is or why it is relevant.
Sandy Hook Shooting Exposed - Worthyness - 2013-01-17
only thing i kinda want to know about is the dates on the "RIP" websites. Though, again as a typical internet traveler, You can't always believe everything you see on the internet. But that to me would seem to have at least some evidence that someone just wants to watch the world burn. That or someone has mad psychic skills that they're not telling anyone about...