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Infighter vs Gunslinger - xDae - 2008-07-14
Eneko Wrote:yea, im just making an infighter because i want to use the transform skill and look pimp
Cant argue with that logic
I became a Hermit because of Flash Jump
Infighter vs Gunslinger - Eneko - 2008-07-14
the skills are very flashy also. If i manage to get past lv50 then i might stick to my infighter. Because 2 vipers with time leap i assume is good.
I wounder if they got any more ideas for classes.
Infighter vs Gunslinger - Five Second Pose - 2008-07-14
I'd rather be a Gunslinger, I really suck at close combat, that's why the only melee class I'd have is a bandit, and even so, I'm a sindit. xD
Infighter vs Gunslinger - Greg22 - 2008-07-14
Seriously, everyone wants to become an infighter so they can pretend to be some kind of super naruto ninja warrior who can turn in to a Super Saiyan and make a macro that says WHATS PWR LEVEL and another one that says OVER 9000 and then you'll transform and everyone goes ahahahaa very clever.
Gunslingers? wats a gunslinger?
Infighter vs Gunslinger - Deity - 2008-07-14
Omg I'm totally doing that >
Anyway....from what I can see, even a decent Gunslinger is gonna have sucky DPS boss-wise, but it looks like with good gear they could probably train fairly well. The problem being, of course, bullet shortage. Even if they held a lot, you're gonna be recharging a lot.
Infighter vs Gunslinger - Worthyness - 2008-07-14
I would totally have made a gunslinger first except for the fact that:
1. not too many bullets are going to be out, and since they're level limited... I'll wait for them to flood the market
2. Little bit tired of the long range thing (access to ranger and almost nightlord)
3. I've always wanted a punchy class =P
Infighter vs Gunslinger - Loose - 2008-07-14
Worthyness Wrote:3. I've always wanted a punchy class =PStraight's sound effect, I love it!
Infighter vs Gunslinger - Hazzy - 2008-07-14
Greg Wrote:Gunslingers? wats a gunslinger?
This is a Gunslinger
![[Image: chibi%20jack%20sparrow%20by%20evilchibiminion.jpg]](http://www.freewebs.com/jack_sparrow_fan/chibi%20jack%20sparrow%20by%20evilchibiminion.jpg)
Infighter vs Gunslinger - Mark - 2008-07-14
Greg Wrote:Seriously, everyone wants to become an infighter so they can pretend to be some kind of super naruto ninja warrior who can turn in to a Super Saiyan and make a macro that says WHATS PWR LEVEL and another one that says OVER 9000 and then you'll transform and everyone goes ahahahaa very clever.
This roughly translates to: "Oh noes, Nexon made a class that pwns Shadowers"
Hahaha.
Infighter vs Gunslinger - Devil - 2008-07-15
Opeth Wrote:This roughly translates to: "Oh noes, Nexon made a class that pwns Shadowers"I've said it again, but I'll say it again here:
Hahaha.
"Nexon made a class that pwns Night Lords, Shadowers, Hero's, Dark Knights, Paladins, Bowmasters, Marksmen, Arch Mages and Bishops"
Really, in -EVERY- way they pwn each class, especially when 6 Vipers party together, noone and nothing can beat them in dps & usefullness...
Infighter vs Gunslinger - xDae - 2008-07-15
Devil Wrote:I've said it again, but I'll say it again here:
"Nexon made a class that pwns Night Lords, Shadowers, Hero's, Dark Knights, Paladins, Bowmasters, Marksmen, Arch Mages and Bishops"
Really, in -EVERY- way they pwn each class, especially when 6 Vipers party together, noone and nothing can beat them in dps & usefullness...
- NLs still win at bossing because Vipers cannot crit on bosses.
- Bishops are still needed for Res, HS, and Healing
- DrKs are still needed for HB, even though Vipers have plenty of HP
- MM and BM are needed for SE for NLs. I suppose Vipers could crit on bosses with SE, but itll be less frequent and less damage than a NL
- 1 Shadower with a decent Smokescreen + 2~3 Vipers with Time Leap = Alot of godmode for bossing
Infighter vs Gunslinger - DrRusty - 2008-07-15
Opeth Wrote:This roughly translates to: "Oh noes, Nexon made a class that pwns Shadowers"
Hahaha.
woah woah woah there. Sorry if i fail to see how a viper is better than a shadower. The only thing a viper is good for is single target damage; which we already have NLs and BMs for that. Training wise they're terrible. Up until 4th job their training is horrible, and even their single target dps sucks. Also, they practically have to be on top of a monster to attack it, yet they don't have any skill to reduce damage.
As alot of people know; I have a bishop as my main char. Also, as alot of people think, bishops are "the best class" in the game thus far, but even bishops have their weaknesses, which are the holy element, and single target dps.
Every class has a weakness, and that includes vipers (already mentioned it). Warriors are limited by range and accuracy, Ranged classes are limited by hp, Mages are limited by their element and single target damage, but what about shadowers? None of those apply to them. Bstep has as much range as lucky7, but it hits 4x as many monsters, stuns, and makes u invincible when u cast it. They have the best defense skill in the game, and the highest avoid. Not to mention they have the highest damage single target attack for 4th job (assassinate). I guess a NL could outdmg assassinate if they could do 99,999 x 6 oO. Hell, I solo'd manon this morning and only got hit 5 times, stunned once, and dispelled twice. Thats with lvl 1 bstep and fake. Thats the reason I picked a shadower, is because they really are the most versatile class in MS.
Sorry everyone for turning this into a shadower vs viper thread =X'
One thing i will say in viper's defense is that time leap and wind booster kick ass. Kind of sucks though how we won't have either of those skills maxed until we see 15x pirates. Fist, Super transform, and demolition need to come first.
Infighter vs Gunslinger - xDae - 2008-07-15
DrRusty Wrote:One thing i will say in viper's defense is that time leap and wind booster kick ass. Kind of sucks though how we won't have either of those skills maxed until we see 15x pirates. Fist, Super transform, and demolition need to come first.
I would read my build, and any other Viper build:
Basic Viper Start -
120: +1 Fist(1), +1 Wind Booster(1), +1 Dragon Strike(1)
121: +1 Fist(2), +1 Time Leap(1), +1 Wind Booster(2)
122: +1 Super Transform(1), +1 Demolition(1), +1 Snatch(1)
123: +3 Wind Booster(5)
124: +3 Wind Booster(8)
125: +3 Wind Booster(11)
126: +3 Fist(5)
127: +3 Fist(8)
128: +3 Fist(11)
Infighter vs Gunslinger - DrRusty - 2008-07-15
xDae Wrote:I would read my build, and any other Viper build:
Basic Viper Start -
120: +1 Fist(1), +1 Wind Booster(1), +1 Dragon Strike(1)
121: +1 Fist(2), +1 Time Leap(1), +1 Wind Booster(2)
122: +1 Super Transform(1), +1 Demolition(1), +1 Snatch(1)
123: +3 Wind Booster(5)
124: +3 Wind Booster(8)
125: +3 Wind Booster(11)
126: +3 Fist(5)
127: +3 Fist(8)
128: +3 Fist(11)
I have read these builds, but i said we won't see either of these skills MAXED. Atleast not for a while. Having windbooster at lvl 11 early though does sound good, since any higher only increases time.
Devil keeps talking about a 6 viper party for continuous Super transform for all 6 members, but wouldnt that require all 6 members to have max time leap + max super transform?
Infighter vs Gunslinger - xDae - 2008-07-15
DrRusty Wrote:I have read these builds, but i said we won't see either of these skills MAXED. Atleast not for a while. Having windbooster at lvl 11 early though does sound good, since any higher only increases time.
Devil keeps talking about a 6 viper party for continuous Super transform for all 6 members, but wouldnt that require all 6 members to have max time leap + max super transform?
I see what you mean. But you dont max Wind Booster, ever. Its not worth it. But max Time Leap does take a backseat to other skills, yea
Infighter vs Gunslinger - Mark - 2008-07-15
Lol, way to go overboard.
I just love to bust Greg's balls.
Infighter vs Gunslinger - DrRusty - 2008-07-15
Opeth Wrote:Lol, way to go overboard.
I just love to bust Greg's balls.
well in my own personal completely unbiased opinion, shadowers are sex
But even though, I'll probably join the 99% of MSers and make an infighter as well, and just use my bishop to leach him.
Infighter vs Gunslinger - Bribery - 2008-07-15
Devil Wrote:I've said it again, but I'll say it again here:
"Nexon made a class that pwns Night Lords, Shadowers, Hero's, Dark Knights, Paladins, Bowmasters, Marksmen, Arch Mages and Bishops"
Really, in -EVERY- way they pwn each class, especially when 6 Vipers party together, noone and nothing can beat them in dps & usefullness...
Night Lords with SE + Apples have better DPS than Vipers.
Bowmen are needed for SE
Dark Knights are needed for HB, which is irreplaceable
Bishops are needed for Resurrection (irreplaceable), Heal, HS, and Bless
Arch Mages will be needed for Pink Bean
Shadowers are the best seduce mules for Horntail. No one can match their avoid and Smokescreen is always nice to have
Paladins...ok Vipers pwn Paladins
A six Viper party is not indestructible. Some magic attacks can still hit and with no one to heal them, they're not going to last very long against larger bosses like Horntail.
Bishops are still the best overall class, and the most boring
Infighter vs Gunslinger - Hazzy - 2008-07-15
Bribery Wrote:Night Lords with SE + Apples have better DPS than Vipers.
Bowmen are needed for SE
Dark Knights are needed for HB, which is irreplaceable
Bishops are needed for Resurrection (irreplaceable), Heal, HS, and Bless
Arch Mages will be needed for Pink Bean
Shadowers are the best seduce mules for Horntail. No one can match their avoid and Smokescreen is always nice to have
Paladins...ok Vipers pwn Paladins
A six Viper party is not indestructible. Some magic attacks can still hit and with no one to heal them, they're not going to last very long against larger bosses like Horntail.
Bishops are still the best overall class, and the most boring
Vipers don't need HB, which is epic. Sharp Eyes, if it stacks, makes their crit a 75% chance of 200%, which rocks. Demolition hits it 8 times? That means the average hit has six crits. .__. Smexy?
I'd like to see a damage comparison between NLs with Apples and SE versus Vipers with Apples and SE. Only weakness to Vipers is massive touch damage kills them. :[
Infighter vs Gunslinger - DrRusty - 2008-07-15
Hazzy Wrote:Vipers don't need HB, which is epic. Sharp Eyes, if it stacks, makes their crit a 75% chance of 200%, which rocks. Demolition hits it 8 times? That means the average hit has six crits. .__. Smexy?
I'd like to see a damage comparison between NLs with Apples and SE versus Vipers with Apples and SE. Only weakness to Vipers is massive touch damage kills them. :[
I'd just like to see a comparison of max triple throw vs max super transform + demolition vs advance combo + brandish vs SoA. I think someone should make a thread about this.
Isnt this thread supposed to be gunslingers vs infighters though? not infighters vs everyone else? lol
I thought a monster had to be stunned for infighters to crit without SE? Which means they would only get SE crit on boss monsters.