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144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - Sorien - 2012-04-07
Patt Wrote:the Mikhail class doesn't resemble a warrior class whatsoever.
Actually, it kind of does. It has one move for mobbing that has a long reach, and one move for single target that has a short to medium reach. Oh, and it hardly has to re-position itself while having little to no worries about HP until some of the highest ranked bosses.
In other words, it's just a Paladin with different animations.
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - Devil - 2012-04-07
Maple has come down to the time where only 4 things are important regarding class OP-ness:
- x Att/minute = x MillionDmg/minute (all attacks will be 999.999 eventually)
- Area size of attack
- Monster count per attack
- Can a class survive the highest dmg attack of the end-game boss?
And that is all.
-> Michael (8million dmg/sec) will fail if the end-game boss (Black Mage) will consist of 1 area, like Von Leon / Akyrium.
-> Mercedes (28million dmg/sec) / Mechanic (30million dmg/sec) will fail if they can't survive the damage of the end-game boss (Black Mage).
All other classes don't matter anymore, since they are either:
- (High HP classes) lower on DPS then Michael
- (Low~Mid HP classes) lower on DPS then Mercedes/Mechanic).
Sure they are "fun" to play around with, but serve no real purpose in the end).
That's Maple, end of the story...
Untill Nexon (most likely by accident) decides to make another class with high HP and more DPS then Michael, or a Low~Mid HP class with higher DPS then Mercedes/Mechanic.
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - byakugan - 2012-04-08
Dark Link Wrote:Except Merc and Phantom are still overpowered and Mikhail has gone through a balance patch without receiving a single nerf.
A Balance patch that was just 2 weeks ahead of the Job release...
This job's only problem is the freaking lazer. That is what takes away all the variety it could have (using Soul Blade for big mobs, Driver for surrounding mobs and Assault for single target). If they put a cooldown on it while making it stronger and added a status effect on it like demon's cry has, then it all would be perfect. As for being overpowered they all are upon release and later on they are either nerfed or restricted from creation, so you just wait for that.
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - Rains - 2012-04-08
Doesn't seem overpowered to me. In fact, its single target dps seems extremely lackluster for 4k str and 140% boss damage.
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - Dark Link - 2012-04-08
Rains Wrote:Doesn't seem overpowered to me. In fact, its single target dps seems extremely lackluster for 4k str and 140% boss damage.
Not sure if serious.
Plus PDR too strong. The guy has little to none from the looks of it.
Also, I don't get how you can call a mobbing skill that does 6mil damage (999,999 x6) up to 6 monsters "Balanced".
byakugan Wrote:As for being overpowered they all are upon release and later on they are either nerfed or restricted from creation, so you just wait for that.
>Mercedes
>Phantom
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - Rains - 2012-04-08
Dark Link Wrote:Not sure if serious.Well, a 4k main stat+140% boss on a merc/phantom would definitely lead to 600-700ks per hit of Ishtar/ultimate drive, which would far surpass the damage of the Mikhail. Then again, his skills are probably low level so who knows.
Plus PDR too strong. The guy has little to none from the looks of it.
Also, I don't get how you can call a mobbing skill that does 6mil damage (999,999 x6) up to 6 monsters "Balanced".
>Mercedes
>Phantom
Not saying its balanced, saying its not as op as some of the other jobs we've gotten recently.
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - Baklava - 2012-04-08
Soul Assault has a pretty annoying noise, it sounds like a rusty bar rotating. >:l
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - FrozNlite - 2012-04-08
This is absolutely ludicrous. The fact that this is even possible legitly, that a Lv. 144 character can SOLO Horntail in EIGHT minutes, is absolutely unbelievable. This isn't something I think developers should be proud of but a blunt, factual wake-up call that something's not fucking right with their game.
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - valhala556 - 2012-04-08
FrozNlite Wrote:This is absolutely ludicrous. The fact that this is even possible legitly, that a Lv. 144 character can SOLO Horntail in EIGHT minutes, is absolutely unbelievable. This isn't something I think developers should be proud of but a blunt, factual wake-up call that something's not fucking right with their game.
Absolutly right. Its not that a new job solo'ed the boss in eight minutes Its that it soloed it at lvl 144 in 8 minutes. THats only 72 Sp in 4th job. And this job has ALOT more skills that add damage other than the 72 that he has aquired. freakin ridiculous. But ill end up making this class when it comes out so i shouldnt actually say anything....
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - byakugan - 2012-04-08
Dark Link Wrote:>Mercedes
>Phantom
The only valid point there would be Phantom but Mercedes 's char creation got restricted. Better examples would be Dual Blade and Mechanic and they both got overpowered, nerfed, then buffed.
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - fodjgngf - 2012-04-08
byakugan Wrote:The only valid point there would be Phantom but Mercedes 's char creation got restricted. Better examples would be Dual Blade and Mechanic and they both got overpowered, nerfed, then buffed.
Phantoms are restricted too i thought.
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - Dark Link - 2012-04-08
So is Demon Slayer, yet they've been nerfed to the ground
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - Raul - 2012-04-08
Liteness Wrote:whats with the "looks boring" every class "looks boring" if you're not the one playing it, besides all class is just "press button to attack"
Shadowers post-justice beg to differ.
Mobbing is spamming 4 different attacks (Boomerang Step, Edge Carnival, Assassinate, and Meso Explosion) in all pretty equal proportions (except nate).
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - Moonlapse - 2012-04-08
Oh yeah, one of THESE videos...
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - Liteness - 2012-04-09
Raul Wrote:Shadowers post-justice beg to differ.
Mobbing is spamming 4 different attacks (Boomerang Step, Edge Carnival, Assassinate, and Meso Explosion) in all pretty equal proportions (except nate).
???? i can also spam 4 attacks for mobbing
1. rush
2. spam cry
3. demon slash back DF
4. spam that impact
also i see kms shads spamming assassinate for 1vs1, pretty "boring" huh
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - Raul - 2012-04-09
Liteness Wrote:???? i can also spam 4 attacks for mobbing
1. rush
2. spam cry
3. demon slash back DF
4. spam that impact
also i see kms shads spamming assassinate for 1vs1, pretty "boring" huh
You can but it's not optimal DPS at all is it?
Please show me where these KMS shads are spamming nate for 1v1, if they are they're morons. Nate doesn't build up KP at all, which deprives you of approximately an imperial pomegranate-ton of DPS, via a 2.5x damage boost and a 50att buff.
It's also terrible for building up mesos for ME. Finally, just spamming it has a tendency to activate the finisher which is both inefficient for DPS and rushes you forwards, which has a decent chance to kill you in some situations.
So, again. Please show me these videos. Or we'll have yet another situation where you bring up claims and have no evidence to back it up and get buttmad.
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - Rains - 2012-04-09
Raul Wrote:You can but it's not optimal DPS at all is it?
Please show me where these KMS shads are spamming nate for 1v1, if they are they're morons. Nate doesn't build up KP at all, which deprives you of approximately an imperial pomegranate-ton of DPS, via a 2.5x damage boost and a 50att buff.
It's also terrible for building up mesos for ME. Finally, just spamming it has a tendency to activate the finisher which is both inefficient for DPS and rushes you forwards, which has a decent chance to kill you in some situations.
So, again. Please show me these videos. Or we'll have yet another situation where you bring up claims and have no evidence to back it up and get buttmad.
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=54239
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - Raul - 2012-04-09
Rains Wrote:http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=54239
Okay well here's a nice post from that thread:
PervyLion Wrote:You can still make a variety in your moves..just cause the video is showing the person spamming one move doesnt mean you have to do it.
And spamming it at HT especially is an idiotic idea when there's more than one part, which bstep's mobbing ability and long range is exceptionally adept at reaching.
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - Rains - 2012-04-09
Raul Wrote:Okay well here's a nice post from that thread:Your argument was that using a variety of demon slayer skills would reduce dps, yet spamming assassinate is the best 1v1 dps for shadowers.
And spamming it at HT especially is an idiotic idea when there's more than one part, which bstep's mobbing ability and long range is exceptionally adept at reaching.
144 Mikhail 8 minute HT solo - Locked - 2012-04-09
Rains Wrote:Your argument was that using a variety of demon slayer skills would reduce dps, yet spamming assassinate is the best 1v1 dps for shadowers.
lol for a weak shadower sure.