Killed Wrote:Okay, I didn't think this thread would turn into a discussion about whether or not someone who has an equip is legit or not.

Like Locked said, I believe the bannings have to do with the mass crashings that were happening last week.

Joe.2 Wrote:Of course most users of 27att VSS and WS are "illegit". You can't argue the definition of the word. They gained an advantage by knowingly acquiring an item created by dishonest methods. It doesn't matter if they paid $10 or $500 for it. And I don't give a pomegranate if people do this either, but please don't try to pretend they're still legit.

Ryosuke Wrote:Has nothing to do with having EE'd equips what so ever..

It's the group of guys that pretend that they "run" Scania. Most of which could care less that they got banned, since they own multiple sets of their gear, have literally millions of NX, and an endless supply of mesos. Most of them already smega'd that they would be back in a week or so on new chars.

byakugan Wrote:Why can't Nexon go on them as they went on Ecko and ban any account that's been logged through their IPs? As if a gang of faggots crashing all channels in multiple servers were less harmful than 1 guy haxing a GM account.

Locked Wrote:Because that's how I got banned.

Blades4hire Wrote:Illegit is defined as breaking the ToS.
If I buy 27 att VSS from the mts, I am doing nothing that breaks the ToS, therefore I am not illegit.

byakugan Wrote:Your point?

Locked Wrote:A lot of people who got hacked by ecko got banned too...?

Christ.

SaptaZapta Wrote:1) The ToS mentions "benefitting from hacking activities" or some such. I'll find you chapter and verse later if you need it.

2) If I buy a really cheap iPod from a random person in the street that seems to have whole crates of them, am I breaking the law?

Ryosuke Wrote:Most of them already smega'd that they would be back in a week or so on new chars.

Blades4hire Wrote:It is possible to make 27 att VSS legitly. The dupes made them cheaper.

EmpireSun Wrote:Scream finally got banned, but Libann got away.
Some EE hacked weapon/Duped I'mALuckyguy medal users on Bera got banned.

Abysseon Wrote:Scream? Well that sucks since the ign was most likely stolen.
(Talked with another user who had it year or two ago on maplestory. She later complained that someone hacked and took the name.)

Heard that there were multiple level 200s with dragon mounts, lucky guy medals, and odd igns (zxou or vlboe) banned.

Guess they were hackers as well.

¬Rob Wrote:I remember her. Her name was Sky or something, no? I used to have her(the old owner of 'Scream') on my old MSN, she mentioned buying it for RL cash, and used to remake chars with it over and over.

Pixie Wrote:Kasey? She originally had it on her Drk then quit along with her guild, and sold it to some smega hoar girl that then xfered to bera/broa/whatever.
(this was like two years ago though, not sure about anyone before her :/)

Also, wonder if any of them will manage to get the ban lifted (or even try). We'll see...

Stereo Wrote:That's not true, at least on Bera. Shoe atk scrolls only exist in quantities necessary to make these equips because of dupers. Without the dupes there would not be the ~90 10%s necessary to make a perfect item, period. You can't buy what doesn't exist.

I can see why people would buy these things (perceived complete lack of punishment by Nexon) but the fact is if you own an item that can't be gained legitimately you're putting your account in danger of permaban, and it's entirely your own fault for letting greed overtake caution. Plus, when there's no possible way to gain an item legitimately, you are by definition illegitimate. It doesn't matter if you hacked the item yourself or bought it from someone who did, your character is enabling hackers to run the economy, and giving them an incentive to do it by rewarding them for their cheating.

Stereo Wrote:That's not true, at least on Bera. Shoe atk scrolls only exist in quantities necessary to make these equips because of dupers. Without the dupes there would not be the ~90 10%s necessary to make a perfect item, period. You can't buy what doesn't exist.

I can see why people would buy these things (perceived complete lack of punishment by Nexon) but the fact is if you own an item that can't be gained legitimately you're putting your account in danger of permaban, and it's entirely your own fault for letting greed overtake caution. Plus, when there's no possible way to gain an item legitimately, you are by definition illegitimate. It doesn't matter if you hacked the item yourself or bought it from someone who did, your character is enabling hackers to run the economy, and giving them an incentive to do it by rewarding them for their cheating.

blades4hire Wrote:Me, the unknowing consumer, obviously has no idea that such suspicious activities were performed on said VSS .
Those iPods are obviously illegal. As far as I know, some rich person spent 15b 10%+WSing that VSS and is now selling it for 90k NX
It is possible to make 27 att VSS legitly. The dupes made them cheaper. The dupes also made EVERY SINGLE item in FM cheaper. So if buying these VSS makes me illegit, so is nearly everyone else in GMS.

Blades4hire Wrote:Most of the people owning these weapons are usually involved in other illegitimate activities anyway, so you can't say that the weapons are the cause.
I do know legit people with EE hacked weapons that they bought/were given to them, but most are not.