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Maple Story's real problem. - Milelke - 2008-08-03
Complain, thats all we ever do >_>.
I hate when people complain about money, or drop rates.
The drop rates are like that for a reason.
And dont start with nexon "scheme" to make us buy 2x Drop becuase
1. We didnt always have 2x Anything
2. For most things (besides ores), 2x Drop wont do much for you.
If an item has a 0.10% of dropping, then it only goes up to a .20% chance, whic in reality isnt that much, yes, you have a better chance of getting the item, but barely.
And stop whining about money, wahhhh, i cant get more than 5 mil
, please do you know how hard it is to get a mil? much less 2, I only have 2 mil, and im getting along quite fine, infact i could get along fine at 200k. And i dont gacha and i rarely merchant.
Scrolls >_>.
Yes theyre drop rate could be higher, but why do I care for scrolls besides trying to sell them? Im going to get another weapon soon, so its just wasted money to me, yes i could sell the scrolled item, but what profit am i REALLY going to gt, all my money goes to pots, equips and some other stuff.
But in a general opinion- Yes, the drop rate for most things could be a little higher.
Maple Story's real problem. - IsaacGS - 2008-08-03
Milelke Wrote:Complain, thats all we ever do >_>.Of course you can get along just fine at level 57 with 200k, but my HP potions alone cost more than that. And those last for an hour, maybe two? I certainly wouldn't earn enough to cover them just from ETCs and Meso bags. Maybe if I get an NPCable equip I'll be able to recoup my losses, but that's just a chance, and equip drops (especially in Leafre, it seems) are quite rare. I can't count on getting one every hour to cover my potion costs. I would have gone broke quite a few times if it weren't for Amoria PQ, where I can at earn an apple a day to stave death away.
I hate when people complain about money, or drop rates.
The drop rates are like that for a reason.
And dont start with nexon "scheme" to make us buy 2x Drop becuase
1. We didnt always have 2x Anything
2. For most things (besides ores), 2x Drop wont do much for you.
If an item has a 0.10% of dropping, then it only goes up to a .20% chance, whic in reality isnt that much, yes, you have a better chance of getting the item, but barely.
And stop whining about money, wahhhh, i cant get more than 5 mil
And i dont gacha and i rarely merchant.
Scrolls >_>.
Yes theyre drop rate could be higher, but why do I care for scrolls besides trying to sell them? Im going to get another weapon soon, so its just wasted money to me, yes i could sell the scrolled item, but what profit am i REALLY going to gt, all my money goes to pots, equips and some other stuff.
But in a general opinion- Yes, the drop rate for most things could be a little higher.
Maple Story's real problem. - Wani - 2008-08-03
IsaacGS Wrote:I actually disagree, it's practically impossible to find 60% scrolls now. I go to the FM, and go through every single shop, and I see dark scrolls after dark scrolls. I'll be lucky to see a dozen different 60%'s, and god knows how long it's been since I've seen a 10%. All I want is to finish scrolling my shoes for jump without the chance of them blowing up, but there's no non-dark scrolls to be found.
I'd say this is more because of people whoring Zipangu gach. More monsters do need to drop dark scrolls, but they also need to drop regular scrolls more commonly, and better scrolls at that. 10% crossbow atk from skeles = fail.
Maple Story's real problem. - Chompy - 2008-08-03
Wani Wrote:I'd say this is more because of people whoring Zipangu gach. More monsters do need to drop dark scrolls, but they also need to drop regular scrolls more commonly, and better scrolls at that. 10% crossbow atk from skeles = fail.I think HIGHER level monsters should just have an increased scroll drop rate.
Like for every 1 10% xbow you got 5~9... It would be much much better.
Maple Story's real problem. - BlueAnus - 2008-08-03
What the thread starter said should really be two threads. About monster drop scales and the economy.
Monster drop scales are fine, thats not a problem, it all comes in little steps.
The economy is something completely different and cannot be understood as 1 statement. Look at the government, they can control aspects of the economy but they cannot control it entirely. They are like nexon, they can control aspects, but not it entirely.
Whenever Nexon implemented the MTS they changed the economy from a meso based, to nx and meso based. As more and more people are throwing real dollars into this game, they are inflating the economy, creating mesos out of thin air and lowering the value of every meso already in game.
Nexon is basing their success on revenue and profits. Yes, they are a for-profit business, they care about the well being of game enough to make them money. They are allowed to do it, and as long as people are having to spend more and more real dollars in game to keep up with in game practices, they arnt going to change a thing.
So for now, this inflation is good for nexon, not us. But as soon as things get better us meso wise, something new will come and bring the inflation back.
Maple Story's real problem. - Cardboardsnail - 2008-08-04
IsaacGS Wrote:Of course you can get along just fine at level 57 with 200k, but my HP potions alone cost more than that. And those last for an hour, maybe two? I certainly wouldn't earn enough to cover them just from ETCs and Meso bags. Maybe if I get an NPCable equip I'll be able to recoup my losses, but that's just a chance, and equip drops (especially in Leafre, it seems) are quite rare. I can't count on getting one every hour to cover my potion costs. I would have gone broke quite a few times if it weren't for Amoria PQ, where I can at earn an apple a day to stave death away.
But at your level, you make far more than him
Maple Story's real problem. - Chameleonic - 2008-08-04
Milelke Wrote:Complain, thats all we ever do >_>.
I hate when people complain about money, or drop rates.
The drop rates are like that for a reason.
And dont start with nexon "scheme" to make us buy 2x Drop becuase
1. We didnt always have 2x Anything
2. For most things (besides ores), 2x Drop wont do much for you.
If an item has a 0.10% of dropping, then it only goes up to a .20% chance, whic in reality isnt that much, yes, you have a better chance of getting the item, but barely.
And stop whining about money, wahhhh, i cant get more than 5 mil
And i dont gacha and i rarely merchant.
Scrolls >_>.
Yes theyre drop rate could be higher, but why do I care for scrolls besides trying to sell them? Im going to get another weapon soon, so its just wasted money to me, yes i could sell the scrolled item, but what profit am i REALLY going to gt, all my money goes to pots, equips and some other stuff.
But in a general opinion- Yes, the drop rate for most things could be a little higher.
I have been training at Cornians for the past 3 months or so looking for Frostprey 20 skill book (well over 400 hours). I am lucky to get 1 drop a day in the 3-4 hours I play.
I have got 2 Mana Reflections in that time, no other skillbooks, 0 scrolls, 0 Dragon Scale/Dragon Spirit and I still havent found a Blue Marine...tell me thats a good droprate.
I can then go to a low leveled area and find 3 equips in 10 minutes. It seem the drop rate decreases as the monster level goes up.
Maple Story's real problem. - Cheez - 2008-08-04
BlueAnus Wrote:Monster drop scales are fine, thats not a problem, it all comes in little steps.So you see no problem in coolie zombies droping blue and white pots, as well as... I think 10% bottomwear for def.
Maple Story's real problem. - MonkyMagic - 2008-08-04
Wani Wrote:I'd say this is more because of people whoring Zipangu gach. More monsters do need to drop dark scrolls, but they also need to drop regular scrolls more commonly, and better scrolls at that. 10% crossbow atk from skeles = fail.
Better then that, cape for weapon def from skele.
I agree, the drop rate needs to be higher, or drops that are actually worth something. As an arch mage i dont make meso back unless i find drops that are actually worth something. (For example boomerang step 20 from skele. But i have never found one of those in 30 levels at skele). For me i cant make meso just training, i need to Market just to have pot money at times.
Maple Story's real problem. - Stereo - 2008-08-04
Yeah, all of Leafre (at least in Global) has awful droprates.
I was finding an average of about ~12 equips a level at Dual Pirates (upwards of 20 on some levels), that dropped to 4-5 at Red Wyverns with maybe 7 at best. Considering there's a +10~20 level gap there (in terms of character level), the fact that Wyverns give 2x as much exp each is balanced out, and they're just dropping way less items. I can easily go 20% at Wyverns and not see a single thing except etc. pieces, ores (Dex Crystals are not so bad), and Mana Elixirs/Unagis.
I have an extensive log of every drop I've found since level 50 (1100+ equipment and scrolls), and Cold Eyes were the best so far, at about a 1 in 400 chance of an equip drop. Red Wyverns clock in at something like 1 in 2000.
Maple Story's real problem. - Kigaz - 2008-08-04
Stereo Wrote:Yeah, all of Leafre (at least in Global) has awful droprates.
I was finding an average of about ~12 equips a level at Dual Pirates (upwards of 20 on some levels), that dropped to 4-5 at Red Wyverns with maybe 7 at best. Considering there's a +10~20 level gap there (in terms of character level), the fact that Wyverns give 2x as much exp each is balanced out, and they're just dropping way less items. I can easily go 20% at Wyverns and not see a single thing except etc. pieces, ores (Dex Crystals are not so bad), and Mana Elixirs/Unagis.
I have an extensive log of every drop I've found since level 50 (1100+ equipment and scrolls), and Cold Eyes were the best so far, at about a 1 in 400 chance of an equip drop. Red Wyverns clock in at something like 1 in 2000.
i've found probably less than 10 equips total from skeles since leafre came out.
Lets see, i remember one day i found like 3 equips in one day (i was like "wtp..") but i rarely do find equips..
anyway i only get pot money from zakking.
i dont see zakking as anything more than a job. its a job required for my potions for my survival!
im pretty sure 99% of people who zak see zak as a business and as a job.
Maple Story's real problem. - Stereo - 2008-08-04
Lol, I didn't know Zakum was profitable... I lose about 800k per time I go.
Maple Story's real problem. - Harrisonized - 2008-08-04
kleptophobia Wrote:Dark scrolls drop? I've never gotten one... and I hunted at wolf-spiders, and other NLC monsters for quite some time. I'll take your word for it though ~_~ But dark scrolls do not drop from the vast majority of monsters and therefore the main supply is from Gachapon.Haha, if you notice in my Wolf Spider Guide, I posted the pictures of me finding both scrolls. They were totally unexpected and I never found them again. It's been 10 months since I began grinding at spiders, or 30 levels, from 100~130. Which means two scrolls in ten months, you might as well sell something in the MTS and gach one. LoL.
On a side note, the two other dark scrolls I have found... both were at Showa, when I found a 70% shield def from a mob when Meteoing it for the purse, and the other was found passing by looking for Anego.
Stereo Wrote:Yeah, all of Leafre (at least in Global) has awful droprates.About the droprate, I think it's fine. When Nexon implemented Leafre and it's Lv 100 weapon drop, they really only decided that they wanted to make them drop from Horntail only. However, they added a VERY tiny droprate at the other monsters just as a, maybe a privilege, I guess. I don't really know their true intentions, but that should be the case, seeing that the Lv 100 weapons have such low droprates. I remember when Zakum was this way, and the Lv 90 weapons were difficult to find.
The problem with that system is that the higher levels monopolize the economy, being the only ones able to obtain the equipment. That is the real problem.
Dusk Wrote:Dark scrolls need to drop from a lot more monsters. Something that is that integral to upgrading equips and in such high demand should not be only available from Gachapon. It completely screws up supply and demand.The other problem is that there are too many gachers, imbalancing what is considered decent equipment today. To counter that, Nexon should implement a NEW gach that gives off only 60%/10% scrolls. (Not sleepywood gach). These 60%/10% should be the counterparts of the 70% scrolls without the 60% form, such as Helmet INT and Helmet DEX, or Shield MA (Yea, it has a 60% but there are barely any in the market). That way, Nexon can both rebalance the market and profit off of it. (LoL, double win, right?) I don't think that making the droprate any higher will benefit Nexon so they won't implement that.
The game itself isn't the problem, and neither are the gachers. You can just go grinding at spiders. I'm pretty sure anyone who can 1 or 2hko spiders can go hunt at a pretty decent rate, probably even better than my rate. I'm still misting and I hardly ever have trouble affording my pots, or even scrolling my equipment. Why should anyone else have trouble? They should be killing at the same rate right?
Bishops shouldn't be complaining about pots either because they can just sell leech. -_-"
Maple Story's real problem. - Tikey - 2008-08-04
The GMS economy isn't so bad as people make it to be. Heck, the scrolls in JMS cost about 10x as much as they do in GMS right now. I'm actually glad about our scroll prices after being on JMS for a few days.
Maple Story's real problem. - Lana♥ - 2008-08-04
^ everything in Japan is more expensive :<
I don't really think jms should be compared to gms though.
Maple Story's real problem. - Gearfree - 2008-08-04
Lana♥ Wrote:Well, JMS has its reasons for being more expensive, primarily the age, but also due to how script users(hackers, scripties) are punished.Tikey Wrote:The GMS economy isn't so bad as people make it to be. Heck, the scrolls in JMS cost about 10x as much as they do in GMS right now. I'm actually glad about our scroll prices after being on JMS for a few days.^ everything in Japan is more expensive :<
I don't really think jms should be compared to gms though.
I'm somewhat sure that when Pokgai was banned he took the majority of bow scrolls from the JMS he played on.
I myself have been trying to return from a semi-hiatus and and surprised by the jumps I'm hearing occurred over the past six or so months.
Maple Story's real problem. - Pockles - 2008-08-04
Hero Wrote:There's plenty of ways to make money. Gacha is just for people that are either too lazy, dumb or just spoiled. Same for mesobuyers, although they usually aren't legit to begin with so they don't really care.
Yes, the economy is somewhat screwed up. But you can either nudge your butt into it and get used to it, or sit somewhere being broke and complaining about it.
way to share information and be helpful :f6:
Maple Story's real problem. - BlueAnus - 2008-08-04
Cheez Wrote:So you see no problem in coolie zombies droping blue and white pots, as well as... I think 10% bottomwear for def.
with the pots, I view it as warriors and mages. Warriors dont have enough mp to use much else other than blue pots and mages dont have enough hp to use more than white pots. Thats just the way I see it.
And it seems that for scrolls, they are all mostly random. With scrolls, that does suck, Im wrong.
Maple Story's real problem. - Lana♥ - 2008-08-04
Gearfree Wrote:Well, JMS has its reasons for being more expensive, primarily the age, but also due to how script users(hackers, scripties) are punished.
I'm somewhat sure that when Pokgai was banned he took the majority of bow scrolls from the JMS he played on.
I myself have been trying to return from a semi-hiatus and and surprised by the jumps I'm hearing occurred over the past six or so months.
I was talking about the actual country Japan when saying everything was expensive
ahaha Pokgai. That interview or w/e he made when he got banned was entertaining
Maple Story's real problem. - Stereo - 2008-08-04
BlueAnus Wrote:with the pots, I view it as warriors and mages. Warriors dont have enough mp to use much else other than blue pots and mages dont have enough hp to use more than white pots. Thats just the way I see it.
By level 50 Warriors can use Mana Elixirs, and with the new NLC pots hardly anyone uses white pots (pizzas = 900 hp 600 mp for 1k, I think)