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Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - IllegallySane - 2009-08-10
TKWizard Wrote:In JMS, this is worse since our Soul Driver hits every .5 seconds; therefore outdamaging everything but very high damaging Brandishes and Marksmen.
Wait......
Marksmen have extermely high mobbing DPS?
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - MasPan - 2009-08-10
IllegallySane Wrote:Wait......
Marksmen have extermely high mobbing DPS?
Pierce is the 3rd highest behind Fury and Torpedo, iirc, maybe 4th depending on elemental advantage for mages.
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - Link - 2009-08-10
IllegallySane Wrote:Wait......
Marksmen have extermely high mobbing DPS?
Lmao? 1 Second Piercing is sex.
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - Dusk - 2009-08-10
MasPan Wrote:Pierce is the 3rd highest behind Fury and Torpedo, iirc, maybe 4th depending on elemental advantage for mages.
Pure damage-wise Pierce is BY FAR the most powerful attack in the game on mobs of 6, outdamaging even Fury by ~15%, but there's a ton of overkill at the back of the mob. It still outdamages Fury on 5 mobs although at that point it can come down to equips, and at 4 mobs it falls to between Fury/Cannon power (although at 4 mobs all of the above get outdamaged by 3-4 mobbing skills like Crusher/Brandish/Boomerang Step).
Mage mob attacks are pretty weak; they need elemental bonus to do roughly the damage of most warrior mob attacks.
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - Taiketo - 2009-08-10
ACB is probably higher then fury too, or it would be if it had better range..
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - MasPan - 2009-08-10
Taiketo Wrote:ACB is probably higher then fury too, or it would be if it had better range..
Not really, not without significant elemental advantage. At 158 with a normal speed polearm, I can break almost 38k with Fury (with level 8 blessing from my cygnus, 12 attack from Blood, and MW 19), and could break 35ks before I made my DW. I'm nearing an 8k buffed damage range as well. The issue here comes down to equips - Fury has better range, raw damage, and berserk on top of having a better damage range from formula AND only doing the top % of said damage range due to slash/stab.
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - Dusk - 2009-08-10
Taiketo Wrote:ACB is probably higher then fury too, or it would be if it had better range..
Oh yeah, but only if the mob is weak to Fire, Ice, or Lightning. On a neutral mob ACB barely outdamages Brandish/Crusher on a mob of 6. The damage is ridiculous on a Holy weak mob though.
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - Taiketo - 2009-08-10
I can hit 32k with ACB on neutral mobs at 140...
What % is Fury? I'm not really sure what ACB ends up being after you add charge % (even without elemental love it's a huge boost in damage).
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - MasPan - 2009-08-10
Taiketo Wrote:I can hit 32k with ACB on neutral mobs at 140...
What % is Fury? I'm not really sure what ACB ends up being after you add charge % (even without elemental love it's a huge boost in damage).
I could hit 32k at around that level as well if I had my current weapon. Fury is 250%, 500% with Zerk. I'm going off of damage calcs done by Dusk, as well as personal experience. Mixing Hammer and ACB is good mob DPS though, say, at a boss fight. To my knowledge, Fury is also generally faster. My range tends to be about 25-38k currently, while ACB is more prone to having a wide range of damage to my knowledge.
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - Dusk - 2009-08-10
Taiketo Wrote:I can hit 32k with ACB on neutral mobs at 140...Fury is 500%, ACB is 490% on neutral mobs with Holy Charge. DrKs have higher base damage though.
What % is Fury? I'm not really sure what ACB ends up being after you add charge % (even without elemental love it's a huge boost in damage).
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - MasPan - 2009-08-10
Dusk Wrote:Fury is 500%, ACB is 490% on neutral mobs with Holy Charge. DrKs have higher base damage though.
And the aforementioned lack of low hits due to forced slashes.
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - Dusk - 2009-08-10
MasPan Wrote:And the aforementioned lack of low hits due to forced slashes.
That's not really an issue; i mean, 1hsword slash is 4.0, 1hsword stab is 4.0; 2hsword slash is 4.6, 2hsword stab is 4.6. It's just the 5.0 multiplier + 80% mastery.
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - MasPan - 2009-08-10
Dusk Wrote:That's not really an issue; i mean, 1hsword slash is 4.0, 1hsword stab is 4.0; 2hsword slash is 4.6, 2hsword stab is 4.6. It's just the 5.0 multiplier + 80% mastery.
What I meant by that is that I'm only using the top half or third of my range, while for Paladins they are doing either roughly median damage (sword) or varying high and low hits. Factor in the 80% mastery and higher base damage and it adds up.
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - USMC - 2009-08-10
ACB is by far one of the most powerful 6 target skill, providing you are hitting something with a elemental weakness.
Even the weakest ice is 577.5%(3.5*1.5*1.1), and holy is ridiculously 735%. And in some cases you'll also have an advantage on speed.
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - Dual - 2009-08-10
Yes, ACB is crazy insane damage. I'm maxing out at 32k on my 132 Paladin on Anything Lightning or Holy weak, and I only have a 117 ST. And this is without attack buffs at all.
And don't forget Bread, you're using a faster PA than most, since I think most Pole Arms are a speed slower than yours.
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - MasPan - 2009-08-10
DualReaver Wrote:Yes, ACB is crazy insane damage. I'm maxing out at 32k on my 132 Paladin on Anything Lightning or Holy weak, and I only have a 117 ST. And this is without attack buffs at all.
And don't forget Bread, you're using a faster PA than most, since I think most Pole Arms are a speed slower than yours.
But to compensate, most PA DrKs of my level and funding would have a 135+ Zedbug/Chelbird/Diesra and be doing even more damage, closing on 45-50k at level 160. My attack when totalled is roughly multiplied by 1.15 to get the damage a slow (7) speed PA would be doing.
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - USMC - 2009-08-10
^if you wanna talk about extreme..500% can't beat 735%, normal 6 can't beat fast 4.
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - Russt - 2009-08-10
MasPan Wrote:What I meant by that is that I'm only using the top half or third of my range, while for Paladins they are doing either roughly median damage (sword) or varying high and low hits. Factor in the 80% mastery and higher base damage and it adds up.Already accounted for. Truth is, the top half of your range is no tighter than a Paladin's entire range, and that's all Dusk is considering anyway.
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - Dual - 2009-08-10
I think I'm actually going to have to agree with you on the speed part. ACB is kinda slow, even with my ST + Booster. I can get in roughly 2 Power Strikes (with or without FA) in the time it takes to use ACB again.
I'm still unsure as to which has better mob damage, considering ACB on weakness is pretty damn godly. The fact that you only hit the very top of your damage range does make your attacks very powerful. The lowest I've ever seen with ACB at my level is 20k and the highest is 33-34k.
Soul Driver + SE = BROKEN WHEE! - MasPan - 2009-08-10
DualReaver Wrote:I think I'm actually going to have to agree with you on the speed part. ACB is kinda slow, even with my ST + Booster. I can get in roughly 2 Power Strikes (with or without FA) in the time it takes to use ACB again.
I'm still unsure as to which has better mob damage, considering ACB on weakness is pretty damn godly. The fact that you only hit the very top of your damage range does make your attacks very powerful. The lowest I've ever seen with ACB at my level is 20k and the highest is 33-34k.
[color="#cc8899"]Not too much wider than my Fury range then. 20/34k isn't too far off of 25/38 (less of course on high defense monsters or skeles with DEF up).
Speed is indeed a major factor - I can use Fury about as fast as Power Strike without FA (I have FA, but I am making a generalized comparison that any warrior can understand), so I could get in 2 Fury for every ACB you do. When you throw in 200k per hammer every 20 seconds you catch up quite a bit though.
I am curious if elemental advantage could cause a Pally to do more with Rush than a DrK though...[/COLOR]