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Bishop/Priest at Bosses - Hardest wroker? - Beloved - 2008-07-17
Aeosyn Wrote:I love being a Bishop and I love bossing as a Bishop. The only time I don't enjoy it is when I have to listen to attackers complain about their bishops not dispelling within 2 seconds of getting sealed (and usually it's because the attackers were too far away/the bishop had fallen off the ledge or whatnot). It just aggravates me because if their damage is so important that they need to be dispelled instantly, why can't they bring all cure potions and use them instead of wasting even more time to type out a complaint or jump around with a lock on their head? That's just my pet peeve.
Anyway, hardest worker/most difficult job at HT: seduce mule Bishop; at Zakum: a berserking Dark Knight (if they get bumped into the body, they're probably dead, they have to constantly cross the body to HB their party members and they have to heal/dispel themselves oh my!).
Yeah, attackers these days, are advised to bring their own all cures (I can understand a hermit's situation though). Me at zakum, I'm usually trying to keep track of where everyone is and their hps. I often find myself in the situation where half my party is on the left side of zak, and the other half's on the right. >.>
There's also people who get sealed, and even when unsealed they'll still stand there yelling for it. *scratches head*
lol But that's mostly the inexperienced to intermediate zrunners. The experienced ones don't usually yell. They'll either wait the 2 seconds or they've already got all cures.
Bishop/Priest at Bosses - Hardest wroker? - DrRusty - 2008-07-23
I'm not to sure about "hardest", but they're definently the class that the party needs to have. Heal and HS are the two biggest things people complain about. When it comes to horntail and zakum; being quick on dispel is also a big must.
Bishop/Priest at Bosses - Hardest wroker? - keturah - 2008-07-24
I've been zakking on my priest/bishop since Bera first killed Zakum. While it is much easier now than it was back in the summer of 2005, its still more "complicated" than zakking on my NightLord. I find the same true for pap. The bishop has more buffs to cast, keeping track of holyshield/dispel, healing... yeah all those things Afro mentioned. I enjoy playing both, but the NL is, for me, easier from the point of what has to be done while in the room.
Here's the real test. Somewhere or other theres always someone who says..."brb" in the middle of zak.........however I've never heard a bishop say that =p
Bishop/Priest at Bosses - Hardest wroker? - Aeosyn - 2008-07-25
Oh yes, I love that, lol.
"Brb, keep me alive!"
Bishop/Priest at Bosses - Hardest wroker? - kleptophobia - 2008-07-26
It is by far the most annoying, but I've had the hardest time playing as a summon controller I/L mage at zakum. No one uses them anymore so it is all good, but back when they did... it was difficult. Unable to take a body hit (w/o HB) and problems with blue mobs, all quite annoying. Not to mention people blame you if they get summon swamped.
Bishop/Priest at Bosses - Hardest wroker? - blacktiger19 - 2008-07-26
What annoys me is when my party members don't think I know when to HS at bosses. When they stray away from the party and complain about not getting dispelled/HSed it becomes very annoying. I've attended many, many zruns under a number of hosts, and many of them have had first time runners who think they're more experienced than they really are. A few days ago, I witnessed (but did not attend) a zrun that my girlfriend (DK) had attended. I distinctly remember one other DK who was sizing himself up against everyone else's "inexperience." Too bad he and most everyone else (aside from my girlfriend, of course xd) forgot their all-cures, and that run eventually failed because everybody just assumed that bishops never disconnect. I should just as much assume attackers never die, and not put any points into revive.
Bishop/Priest at Bosses - Hardest wroker? - JoshKun - 2008-07-26
blacktiger19 Wrote:I should just as much assume attackers never die, and not put any points into revive.
lol! sp is different from buying all cures, BUT i completely agree with what ur saying (very funny AND true) lern2pot urselves ppl!
The only thing I will say i NEED a bishop for at z runs and ht is when i have to change settings (cuz I use vista) My autopotter doesnt work and i obviously cannot pot myself. This is when a pro priest/bishop comes in handy.
~Josh
Bishop/Priest at Bosses - Hardest wroker? - x0xpriestx0x - 2008-07-28
Aeosyn Wrote:I love being a Bishop and I love bossing as a Bishop. The only time I don't enjoy it is when I have to listen to attackers complain about their bishops not dispelling within 2 seconds of getting sealed (and usually it's because the attackers were too far away/the bishop had fallen off the ledge or whatnot). It just aggravates me because if their damage is so important that they need to be dispelled instantly, why can't they bring all cure potions and use them instead of wasting even more time to type out a complaint or jump around with a lock on their head? That's just my pet peeve.
Anyway, [B]hardest worker/most difficult job at HT: seduce mule Bishop[/B]; at Zakum: a berserking Dark Knight (if they get bumped into the body, they're probably dead, they have to constantly cross the body to HB their party members and they have to heal/dispel themselves oh my!).
I love being a Bishop too. When this happens to me like if they dont get dispell of course i try to get to them as quickly as i can but i dont worry too much about it, because seroiusly if they have to depend on bishop to do that, they're pretty nooby themselves. Atker are suppose to bring their own pot and all cure to get ready to even solo. When i go to boss or what not, people suppose to know to pot themselves. I dont like to go with noob so i rather not go because i've had to deal so much with that already. Right now at my level, attackers just automatically know to bring pot & all cure to prepare to go solo bosing either HT or Zak. I'm just there to i guess mainly HSing & to help keep them alive but NOT to be their pot mule. And yeh i'm stuck being seduce party bishop at times and i hated it; just because the black wyverns though otherthan that its just a piece of cake. Anywayz i guess once you get to higher lvl you dont have to worry so much about healing your party because they know not to depend solemly on bishop.
Bishop/Priest at Bosses - Hardest wroker? - Aeosyn - 2008-07-29
I wish I could say the people I was complaining about were 'noobs' and if they were I wouldn't even be mentioning it because it's to be expected from people that are not experienced. The reason it's such a pet peeve of mine though is that they are all people that have been bossing for over a year now and yet they forget to bring/buy all cures
Bishop/Priest at Bosses - Hardest wroker? - blacktiger19 - 2008-07-29
Aeosyn Wrote:I wish I could say the people I was complaining about were 'noobs' and if they were I wouldn't even be mentioning it because it's to be expected from people that are not experienced. The reason it's such a pet peeve of mine though is that they are all people that have been bossing for over a year now and yet they forget to bring/buy all cures
They don't forget, they just know you wont let them down
Bishop/Priest at Bosses - Hardest wroker? - Hero - 2008-07-29
How are they doing anything special again? They're pressing heal rather than attacking, and using a buff once in a while. Boo hoo?
They have it easiest.
As for whatever attacker except seduce mule depends on their priest/bishop; they're utterly retarded.
Bishop/Priest at Bosses - Hardest wroker? - Wani - 2008-07-29
Afrobean Wrote:It's to be expected... There are plenty of Bishops who can do the job and do it better, so why would they be interested in someone less qualified.
It'd be like asking them to take a Hermit instead of a Nightlord. It'll only happen if the person has good connections. If this 3rd jobber thinks it's unfair, they have a very simple choice: get higher level to get the wanted skills.
I gotta disagree with you there. The only thing a priest can't do that a bishop can is res and genesis spawn, whereas there's a significant difference between a hermit and a NL's damage. A priest and bishop both have equally functioning heal, HS and dispel.
Aeosyn Wrote:I love being a Bishop and I love bossing as a Bishop. The only time I don't enjoy it is when I have to listen to attackers complain about their bishops not dispelling within 2 seconds of getting sealed (and usually it's because the attackers were too far away/the bishop had fallen off the ledge or whatnot). It just aggravates me because if their damage is so important that they need to be dispelled instantly, why can't they bring all cure potions and use them instead of wasting even more time to type out a complaint or jump around with a lock on their head? That's just my pet peeve.
Anyway, hardest worker/most difficult job at HT: seduce mule Bishop; at Zakum: a berserking Dark Knight (if they get bumped into the body, they're probably dead, they have to constantly cross the body to HB their party members and they have to heal/dispel themselves oh my!).
Firstly, I whinge about not being sealed only if I ran out of all cures, which I try not to do, or because I need to HB. >_< I like HBing regularly.
And secondly, berserking zak is fun, but easier than it looks. You only get knocked onto the body while you're blinking, so you have a chance to pot. Crossing the body is a pain though.
And people depend on DKs a lot, especially at HT. HB is important there, and you get yelled at if you don't notice a dispel (Stupid 95% success rate on HT's dispel). >_< Plus you gotta spam HB on dead people while they get res, hope you don't get sealed, mana burned or 1/1ed while you do that and so on. Fun!
Bishop/Priest at Bosses - Hardest wroker? - Nikkey - 2008-07-29
The hardest worker at bosses must be seduce bishops (ppoozzoo in Bellocan) at start of horntail. They need to know where the seduce mule is, and eventually walk through body and tail if needed. (Tail is possible with infinity, am I correct?)
Second, I would assume unexperienced seduce mules in the beginning of horntail where you have to remove haste when shadower buffs bishop, remove stance when you're knocked off rope to avoid too fast movement towards body, potting like a madman (hell yeah, this one's funny actually. You have to spam mp pots like a mofo to have a chance to use awakening before horntail uses 1/1 on you. Apart from that, having mp recovery is God considering it gives you enough mp to use awakening), tell that you're seduced, tell which way you go, localize yourself (this is actually kinda hard at times). After tail+body, it's piece o' cake.
Then we go with bowmasters, I think. Using hurricane with random dispels at times must be a pain in the ass.
Dark Knights have it easy, very easy. Unless you're actually trying to deal a lot of damage. (But don't, really, considering having a dead party is way worse dps than you dealing crap damage compared to them)
And if you lag at Horntail, all classes are hard. Apart from seduce mules, which will sometimes have it easier (lag = not seduced lol).