Xenon Damage Formula

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Originally Posted by ShinkuDragon

there is 4x though, it just multiplies them all by 4 instead of only one.

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Well, consider the partial derivatives.

http://mathurl.com/crge86g.png

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Originally Posted by Locked

Well, consider the partial derivatives.

http://mathurl.com/crge86g.png

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i'm dumb, what am i looking at?

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Originally Posted by Takebacker

I anything it seems like weapon attack would have 3x the damage increase ratio between stat:w.att vs any other class. Most likely the single easiest job to hit 50m damage cap to date given the 17-18m hits on the ultimate in tespia.

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not sure about that, i mean, the only advantage this class has (ignoring skills) is that equips that have all stat are MUCH more effective, potential-wise this class is nerfed since 9% stat on another class would require 9% all stat on this one, which is harder to achieve. you still only have 999 points to use, everybody dumps 999 points into their main stat, so in the end everyone has 999 points in what gives them the most power, for xenon it just turns out to be more than a single stat.

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Originally Posted by ShinkuDragon

i'm dumb, what am i looking at?


not sure about that, i mean, the only advantage this class has (ignoring skills) is that equips that have all stat are MUCH more effective, potential-wise this class is nerfed since 9% stat on another class would require 9% all stat on this one, which is harder to achieve. you still only have 999 points to use, everybody dumps 999 points into their main stat, so in the end everyone has 999 points in what gives them the most power, for xenon it just turns out to be more than a single stat.

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1 att = 3 stat when taking consideration the slope of the function (read: slope of your damage range) in respect to different variables.

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Originally Posted by iAmFear

You only need 260 in each stat, so 256 stats used, assuming 4/4/4/4, for Multilateral 5, though, right? So that still leaves you 237 points left, plus the 9 left from the 25 stats you have at level 1, so you have 246 points left to spend, and it would be wise to spend those in whatever you have more % stat of.

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Thank you, that's what I was trying to say but I couldn't because I suck at words :v

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Originally Posted by Locked

http://i.imgur.com/ZEYDX.jpg

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240 Max range

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Originally Posted by Locked

http://i.imgur.com/oiRKA.jpg

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253 Max range; Strength increased by 5.

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Originally Posted by Locked

http://i.imgur.com/8Qt9P.jpg

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264 Max range; Strength increased by 5 and DEX increased by 5.

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Originally Posted by Locked

http://i.imgur.com/lIMOE.jpg

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276 Max range; Strength increased by 5, DEX increased by 5 and LUK increased by 5.

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Originally Posted by Locked

This followed the same exact pattern as last time, both STR and DEX boosted the range by 11 while LUK boosted the range a little bit more by 12.

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Strength actually increased the range by 13 though, am i reading this wrong or is this all according to calculation?

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Originally Posted by fodjgngf

Strength actually increased the range by 13 though, am i reading this wrong or is this all according to calculation?

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Can't say I care about that tidbit too much, the end result is the same and that's all I care about. Thanks for pointing it out. It was properly used in the calculation anyway.

Edit: I fixed it for you, it should read better.

I'm probably not understanding some part of the process but would you not get useful data from leveling Xenon to "x" level 3 times and doing pure str for one, pure dex for another, and pure luck for the 3rd?

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Originally Posted by Nomad9375

I'm probably not understanding some part of the process but would you not get useful data from leveling Xenon to "x" level 3 times and doing pure str for one, pure dex for another, and pure luck for the 3rd?

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Did you even read the thread?

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Originally Posted by Locked

Did you even read the thread?

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I read everything, I still insist on making a fool out of myself regardless.

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Originally Posted by Nomad9375

I read everything, I still insist on making a fool out of myself regardless.

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If you're still wondering about the answer, I added 5 AP into STR, then DEX, then LUK separately and took a screenshot of each to see if the difference is big and leaning against a single stat. I did this twice to make sure. There was minimal difference, so the formula ended up being M*(4*(A+B+C))*ATT/100 rather than the usual M*(4*A+B+C)*ATT/100.

The thing I like about this formula is that it means that when I get my 7-piece Tempest set (no hat for possible Hot Time hat, and no Tempest energy sword), I can be happy with almost any % stat.

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Originally Posted by Locked

1 att = 3 stat when taking consideration the slope of the function (read: slope of your damage range) in respect to different variables.

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Wouldn't that only be true under the assumption that w=x=y=z?

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Originally Posted by MountLag

Wouldn't that only be true under the assumption that w=x=y=z?

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No.

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New damage formula:

1.3125*(4*(STR+DEX+LUK))*ATT/100

Have only tested it out 2 different times with the same results.

what the hell kind of multiplier is that?

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Originally Posted by ShinkuDragon

what the hell kind of multiplier is that?

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[11:29:02 PM] Danny: I keep getting 1.3125
[11:29:08 PM] Danny: what kinda multiplier is that
[11:29:21 PM] Danny: is this a thing now?
[11:29:29 PM] Danny: 4 digit precision multipliers?
[11:31:12 PM] Danny: GUESS I'LL POST IT.
[11:38:48 PM] Joe Tang: I get really close to that
[11:38:57 PM] Joe Tang: 1.3127

iunno.

so its about a ~14% decrease in multiplier rate, thats pretty significant.

Yeah it's pretty stupid Nexon.

Is this nerf worse than the AB nerf?

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Originally Posted by Arrol

Is this nerf worse than the AB nerf?

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nothing will ever be worse than that nerf. Ever in MS.(to do so, you have to have a damage % of over 60k in the first place, which no one has)

Ouch, that is pretty significant.. but they did kinda need a nerf.

What an odd multiplier though :f6: