FrozNlite Wrote:Excellent point. So then, are you upset that people are angry? Do you want to change that? If you don't care then my next point has no merit. If you do care, then I ask how you would have wanted the merchants to go about their plan with a methodology more "morally sound," per say. Would you have liked them to tell everyone, "Hey, check out the deflating prices for meso. We know the market is about to inflate, so we're going to inflate it first."? Then the information would be out there, just like Maker or global PS3 sales, but would it help? Not in this case, because what can the average GMS player do but sit and watch the market inflate; not everyone can buy out an FM of GFAs.

I definitely see where you're coming from but I'm unsure of how else they could have informed the population. Hell, it's quite logical that people would try to make money off inflation, and since several non-marketers noticed meso selling price drops weeks ago on publicly accessible websites, can't you then also argue that the information of an impending inflation was just as public?

Just trying to play the devil's advocate . You make a great point, though.



Welcome to capitalism, as I'm sure you know more than me about. But what I'm disgusted to see is how many people are giving up because of moral convictions or hopelessness due to their inability to keep up with the current rate of inflation. Fine. Go ahead and crucify yourselves like thousands did at the onset of the Great Depression in the 1930s. Choose to lose because you're so overcome with negative emotion that you won't keep trying, keep fighting, keep hoping and thinking for how to remain true to yourself and make it through the storm. There's always a way to stay true to your moral beliefs and successfully survive in any environment; it just takes more creativity over a larger length of time to figure it out.

Believe me, I hate the idea of monopoly, of middle men, of inflation for personal gain, but in a captialist system you have to accept that these are things that will always exist in a globalized marketplace.

Yet that doesn't mean you have to accept participation in this particularmarketplace.

I mentoined coming up with ideas to remain true to yourself and still successfully survive; here's one: create a micro-economy with your guild where all products and services the members of your guild have are regulated within your own economy instead of being introduced into a failing one. Don't want to do such a plan with your guild? Insert any group in place of guild then: Horntail Squad, Zakum group, legits of *insert server*, buddy list, etc. If you don't like the way something is in real life, you protest or you create something new. I'm 100% for protest as it actually works out there, but in a game completely run by Nexon, it does diddly-squat. That leaves creating something new.

Always do SOMETHING about a predicament, never nothing.

eos367 Wrote:No but you're the only one to brag about it.
I don't keep that level of mesos on hand generally - I put it to work helping my friends get the things they need and appreciate. Even with billions available this economy disgusts me just because it's a gigantic circle jerk of buying just to inflate further.

I either have to inflate all my products and services to compensate for everyone else's inflation, or sell at a loss out of principle because I find it ridiculous to be charging more than they realistically have a value for. So I choose to sit it out.

korea Wrote:u should stop buying mesos with RL money (LOOOL) and lern2leech

ItzTaylor Wrote:Maple is going to pomegranate now, you might as well quit and play a new game.

No matter how hard you try to be the best, there will always be someone better.

It's all a status ****fest. Usually the people who actually have something to brag about don't go on a public forum and start talking about it.

All I am saying-

If there is a Meso Exploit out, and those people with the exploit are selling to these sites and getting real $, and the sites are making 100mil worth lunch money, what is the point of even trying to "take advantage" of the economy. There is no point in trying to make billions of mesos, when none of it will be worth pomegranate anyways. Everyone will have godly equips, no one will have anything to brag about on the forum, and then all your e-penors will eventually shrink and you will have nothing to talk about. So then Maple will die, and you will leave the game $1000 poorer from all the NX u spent.

Quote:Eventually Nexon would have to do something about it, or increase the tradable meso cap, or what I said will be true, because theres only a certain max amount, and a certain amount of trust.

People will want to sell 15 attk SCG for more then 2.1, and they won't be able to because of the trade cap, unless they want to get scammed.

So basically everything I said will be true. You can only go so far.

iCollect Wrote:I only started talking when someone told me my guild was mentioned in this thread. I looked at it and simply wanted to clarify some misgivings people seemed to feel towards us. ;P
Now to the "what's the point" question... the point of any game is to of course have fun. If you feel you're working in a game, you should quit the game. So I would vouch that anyone that's having fun "taking advantage" of the the economy probably has that as their point in playing this game. Speaking from my experience I can tell you that once you reach a certain point in this game, you stop caring about mesos at all and pretty much only play it for the fun of collaboration with friends and joking around in game. So, to that effect, no matter how much this game inflates, some people simply don't care as long as they can continue doing what they do and have their laughs. The point isn't always in product and is sometimes just the process itself. =P

iCollect Wrote:@ most posters in these last two pages: yay, an semi-intelligent conversation!

Magus Wrote:Wow. Nice elitism. Well, at least you didn't say "lol hapy mapling!!11."

iCollect Wrote:*snipped*
Happy Mapling~

Magus Wrote:...And that justifies making other player's experience with this game harder?

Wow. Nice elitism. Well, at least you didn't say "lol hapy mapling!!11."

iCollect Wrote:oh dear me, and here i thought Southperry might have been a little better than basil with criticism.

iCollect Wrote:Yet More Bull

Judgment Wrote:Still better to complain than be a sheep and sit on your asses and do nothing but accept it. Like this:

Fiel Wrote:He never laid claim to the cause of the inflation. Where did you read that from?

iCollect Wrote:I, along with a few friends and other merchants, effectively bought out the entire FM of GFA in ALL servers. This is not impossible when you're rolling in tens to hundreds of billions of mesos in pure in each server (all legit, I assure you).

We then gradually increased the price in all servers from what was 6m 3 days ago to the current 20m now. How is that possible? Why would anyone buy? 3 groups of people would buy them: people that need to scroll, people that want to resell for more during inflation, and the people that are converting it directly into nx.

iCollect Wrote:HOW DID YOU KNOW, JUDGEMENT?!?! damn, i was keeping it a secret too! T_T

Sn1perJohnE Wrote:All of your "examples" are bull, for one pure and simple reason; the inflation that is happening, that you basically laid claim to causing, is 100% artificial.

If this inflation was natural, then one, it wouldnt be as high, and two, we would really have little grounds to say anything about it beyond the "this inflation sucks". But you caused this inflation. Even in a free market economy, directly causing inflation, in the real world, is actually grounds to be arrested and put on trial. All of your "pleading" about how your just trying to survive in the inflating market is a completely asinine argument, because you are basically trying to survive your own inflation, which probably wouldnt have happened as bad without your influence.


The way a free market economy, or basically any economy works, is based of Land Labor and Capital. Land=FM spots, Labor=hunting/merchanting, Capitol=investment. Its all a balancing act, and too much of one can drastically change the market overall. We have too much Capital...

Sn1perJohnE Wrote:Seemed like it to me

Quote:Well, with all of the sexual remarks that fly around in MS (Suggestive Smegas, NX wh0res ever congregating at places like Maya's house, not to mention the odd cyber request), I would think people would get hard from making other's people's experiences in this game a living hell. *cough* Excellent did too *cough*

Yeah, don't really expect people to be quiet about it, especially when you admitted to being the culprit.

Sn1perJohnE Wrote:All of your "examples" are bull, for one pure and simple reason; the inflation that is happening, that you basically laid claim to causing, is 100% artificial.

*1 If this inflation was natural, then one, it wouldnt be as high, and two, we would really have little grounds to say anything about it beyond the "this inflation sucks". But you caused this inflation. *2 Even in a free market economy, directly causing inflation, in the real world, is actually grounds to be arrested and put on trial. All of your "pleading" about how your just trying to survive in the inflating market is a completely asinine argument, because you are *3 basically trying to survive your own inflation, which probably wouldnt have happened as bad without your influence.


The way a free market economy, or basically any economy works, is based of Land Labor and Capital. Land=FM spots, Labor=hunting/merchanting, Capitol=investment. Its all a balancing act, and too much of one can drastically change the market overall. We have too much Capital...

alwzn4vr Wrote:. No offense but we @ sleepywood don't really know you and we're curious (at least I am)

alwzn4vr Wrote:1. How is inflation ever "natural"?

madanthony Wrote:Any time Mesos aren't being removed from the game at a rate reasonably close to the rate they're being found, you see natural inflation. I.e. when NLC first came out and the average player's pot costs plummeted while the amount they found while training remained about the same, prices went up a bit. Obviously nothing like we see here, but natural inflation exists.

Unless you wanna get picky and argue the semantics of a currency not backed by something like a gold standard being artificial in its entirety.

Quote:1. How is inflation ever "natural"?
2. What law in the real world are you referring to that says causing inflation is illegal?
3. why oh why would you say that? He's bought out the FM at 5 mil and is now selling at 20 mil. No need to survive if he's making a good profit. The real danger is hyperinflation due to duped gold/items.

BTW, your free market economy example of land labor and capital is based on physical scarcity. In game economies are not always restricted in that way, particularly when events such as gold/item duping occur. (Try duping a piece of land or cloning a factory worker)

@iCollect: If at all possible, could you elaborate on any details as to what you've heard/know about this alleged duping. No offense but we @ sleepywood don't really know you and we're curious (at least I am)