Even Wrote:¨
Hyper skills dont work like that. According to insoya all hyper skills post red adds additonally.

So fuzzy lob goes from 31% -> 41% with hyper.
PDR from debuff's also changed to parcially additonally.

For instance:
Threaten + threaten hyper is 50%, but on vellum it only pushes it from 300% -> 250%, not to 150%.

Even Wrote:¨
Hyper skills dont work like that. According to insoya all hyper skills post red adds additonally.

So fuzzy lob goes from 31% -> 41% with hyper.
PDR from debuff's also changed to parcially additonally.

For instance:
Threaten + threaten hyper is 50%, but on vellum it only pushes it from 300% -> 250%, not to 150%.

j3y Wrote:wait so, assuming it is additive,

A=(1- window number/100)*(1-snipe PDR)(1-snipe hyper PDR)

PDR=100*(1-A)

A = (1 - .84) * (1 - .41) = .0944
PDR = 1 - .0944 = 90.5% pdr

so if i am fighting Chaos Vellum, does that mean i take away 90.5% of the 300% = 271.5%


so my damage is reduced by 28.5%?
or it is reduced by the 9.5%

Even Wrote:¨
Hyper skills dont work like that. According to insoya all hyper skills post red adds additonally.

So fuzzy lob goes from 31% -> 41% with hyper.
PDR from debuff's also changed to parcially additonally.

For instance:
Threaten + threaten hyper is 50%, but on vellum it only pushes it from 300% -> 250%, not to 150%.

Takebacker Wrote:Showing it as multiplicative really shows how stupid high pdr bosses are. Even with 90% i lose 30% of my damage to cvellum? Seriously?

ShinkuDragon Wrote:before the change it worked the same way, making it multiplicative just made it EVEN HARDER to get to 90%.

why nexon did this crap, i'd never know

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lol i'm kidding, of course they did it for the money

Takebacker Wrote:Wait what? Are you sure we're talking about the same thing?

How does changing the display to show PDR multiplicatively in a multiplicatively calculated system make it harder to get 90%? Nothing changes except what you know your PDR to be.

ShinkuDragon Wrote:i meant when PDR changed from being additive to being multiplicative back when it was additive a boss having 100 or 1000% PDR didn't matter because you aimed for 100% PDR.

so what i'm saying is that stupid-high PDR bosses aren't the problem (what you said), it's the stupid way in which PDR stacks that is.

Takebacker Wrote:I think multiplicative makes a lot more sense than additive. PDR remains a valuable stat and you won't be ditching large sources of it for att or stat. PDR might as well have been 0% for bosses in the additive system, and i think that's kind of stupid. Multiplicative PDR is fine, but it only gets insane when you start giving leverage to specific classes with 100% ignore on specific skills or 50% PDR on a passive at a boss that you need a ridiculous amount of PDR to still have your damage cut by at least 20%.

Yet even with that reduction people can hit 50m on him, so whatever.

ShinkuDragon Wrote:meh, i guess it just pisses me that a hero with 50% PDR ignore beats by almost 9% PDR someone that has 5 sources of 10%, and it would take 7 sources of 10% just to match that.
but assumming this method's fine, then yes, bosses with 300% PDR are retarded, but the power of money can beat that so as you said "so whatever"
it feels to me the system isn't quite optimized and was just dropped on a whim

ShinkuDragon Wrote:on an unrelated note, checking my quotes tabs for these two threads is starting to get confusing with the same name and all

Takebacker Wrote:I can sympathize with that; Cannoneers don't have very large sources of PDR, so i feel real puny compared to warriors in game.

I agree it does seem like it was dropped on a whim, but i'm not sure what else would be a better system.



Hahahaha B> thread merge

ShinkuDragon Wrote:i'd need some proof about that changing then if you could, but that threathen thing can't be like that, otherwise you'd need over 200% PDR just to stop dealing 1's.

Even Wrote:Im an idiot for believing my friend, disproved his theory, funny how hes the korean guy that played kms for 5 years.

j3y Wrote:wait so, assuming it is additive,

A=(1- window number/100)*(1-snipe PDR)(1-snipe hyper PDR)

PDR=100*(1-A)

A = (1 - .84) * (1 - .31) * (1 - .10) = .09936
PDR = 1 - .09936 = 90.064% pdr

so if i am fighting Chaos Vellum, does that mean i take away 90.0% of the 300% = 270%


so my damage is reduced by 30%?

ShinkuDragon Wrote:just because he's korean doesn't mean he is good at math hahaha, that makes things simpler then