DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED

[KhainiWest]

Since I've seen this mentioned by a couple people now... What exactly has Trump brought up that we weren't already discussing?

Border security? We've been discussing his wall solution since before Bush. Deportation? Excepting Jeb Bush, I don't think Republicans ever gave up on this idea.
Abortion/PP? Nothing new here except the reversal of his position before running for office.
Economics? No one is discussing specifics beyond tax reform which we all know will go nowhere so he can safely present a plan. Interestingly, he's willing to cut defense spending, but I only found that out by doing specific research so not sure how visible that is in the national debates. I suppose we can give him points for bringing up ways to abuse bankruptcy laws.
Civil Rights? He's a misogynistic, racist bigot, but the only thing new we're discussing is how far his comments will go.
Crime? Zip.
Education? He's said nothing specific except that he wants to gut federal funding and leave it up to the states. Nothing innovative or even interesting.
Energy? Hasn't said a thing.
Environment? Global warming is a hoax and the EPA will be gutted. He's going farther than some Republicans, but that's not new.
Foreign Policy? Nothing but antagonistic rhetoric. I'll grant that he's got a different approach than anyone else.
Gun Control? Same old, same old.
Healthcare? Savings accounts. Not a new approach and not even discussed significantly.

I could go on, but I'm bored now. What exactly does Trump discuss or offer that no one else has? If anything, his antics are distracting the national debate from actual issues and actual solutions. I'm seriously confused where people got this impression. He's certainly willing to say things no one else will, but I've never seen him discuss anything.

He doesn't, he vents the emotional side of the countries personal problems which is causing actual discussion. All of those things have been discussed, but really half heartedly. The reason Trump is so appealing to so many people is he isn't a politician and he's really flexing that point. I'm not really voting for him, but I do see the appeal and recognize the issues brought up. It's painful to read this thread because it's just fox talking points vs msnbc(huffington), both are very extremist news stations in their own right. Overall even I can see Obama failed as a leader, it's kind of that, when the mother tries to be more best friends with their teenage daughter than a mother figure.

Obama will be remembered for two things, being the first black president, and Obama care (For better or for worse), that is a very, very terribly mediocre legacy to leave behind.

There's a significant difference here.

The Obama hate was because he was black, presumed to be muslim due to his name (and his name didn't help), and thought to not be a US citizen. Basically, all paranoia.

Trump is proven to be maniacal, says things that are horribly racist and would create huge international tension (if it already hasn't), and cannot be reigned in in any way if he goes out of control (which is almost guaranteed to happen). Basically, all serious problems.

The difference between the two is that the people who think logically and are intelligent, like myself, are the ones who are very, very worried about Trump becoming President, while it was racist bigots who were flipping out about Obama.

I don't give a pomegranate that he's white, old, and a business owner. I give a pomegranate that he's borderline crazy and says things that are complete opposites to this country's founding principles. The fact that he would even suggest that we should shut out an entire religion based on the religion is in complete contrast to what this nation is based on. You never heard Obama make such bigoted statements.

Unless he is actually fooling everyone and does a complete reversal to everything he says he stands for if he becomes President, things will be looking very dire if he gets elected.

The thing is, it's even more un-american to disqualify him because you specifically don't agree with him, in fact our founding fathers would have probably taken away your ability to vote if you really wanted to be technical about this. If trump wins, that tells you two things;

-The country want's an isolation-esque policy
-We're more concerned over our security than our humanity

I don't think either one is a bad or good answer, just the morale of the country will shift as time goes on (see gay marriage). Donald trump is not going to win, you don't have to worry about it, even the radical right wing has disowned him but praise him for his media manipulation. That's the bottom line really, he's no substance, he's the embodiment of majority of the countries frustration and is a very real problem. The candidates are going to be Bernie vs Ted cruz, I'm calling it now, and bernie is most likely going to win. He has a strong conviction towards his character, although I find his policies just as radical and unobtainable as any of donald trumps wall building lol

[Flonne]

What exactly is your problem with Bill Clinton? He seemed to have done a relatively good job in retrospect if we ignore his personal life. The economy was growing. He actually had a budget surplus. Foreign policy was a mixed bag, but at least our wars were short.

He was an even bigger contributing factor to the 2008 market crash than Bush's entire war was. The housing bubble was almost solely the fault of a policy he passed.

[VerrKol]

He was an even bigger contributing factor to the 2008 market crash than Bush's entire war was. The housing bubble was almost solely the fault of a policy he passed.

I think at this point we can safely say the housing crisis was more symptom than cause. Fannie and Freddie deserve their share of the blame, but Wallstreet speculation and over extending their investments would have probably happened anyway. Point taken though

[Polantaris]

The thing is, it's even more un-american to disqualify him because you specifically don't agree with him, in fact our founding fathers would have probably taken away your ability to vote if you really wanted to be technical about this. If trump wins, that tells you two things;

-The country want's an isolation-esque policy
-We're more concerned over our security than our humanity

I don't think either one is a bad or good answer, just the morale of the country will shift as time goes on (see gay marriage). Donald trump is not going to win, you don't have to worry about it, even the radical right wing has disowned him but praise him for his media manipulation. That's the bottom line really, he's no substance, he's the embodiment of majority of the countries frustration and is a very real problem. The candidates are going to be Bernie vs Ted cruz, I'm calling it now, and bernie is most likely going to win. He has a strong conviction towards his character, although I find his policies just as radical and unobtainable as any of donald trumps wall building lol

I disagree. There's a difference between disagreeing with him and his beliefs compromising the foundation of the country, regardless of what its citizens want at this particular time and period. I disagree with most politicians, but I don't believe that their beliefs and statements should disqualify them when they don't compromise the foundation of the country. The country was built upon the ideal of justice and freedom for all, not just Americans. It was also built with the idea of division between church and state. Pretty sure that means the state shouldn't be able to decide which churches are allowed in or that you shouldn't be allowed in based on the church you frequent.

I don't agree with anything Hillary Clinton says, either. But I'm not saying she should be disqualified. I don't think she should be President, but that's what my vote is for.

I agree that if Bernie ends up on the ticket he will most likely win. He'll get the young voters to actually vote, something that rarely happens because it's so often just a decision between horribly smelling bowls of sh'it where the only difference is the type of smell. I don't know if Bernie will actually hold up with anything he says, but out of all the bowls I have a choice between, his smells the best. But he has to get on the ticket, and Hillary is unfortunately very good at pandering to people.

[KhainiWest]

I disagree. There's a difference between disagreeing with him and his beliefs compromising the foundation of the country, regardless of what its citizens want at this particular time and period. I disagree with most politicians, but I don't believe that their beliefs and statements should disqualify them when they don't compromise the foundation of the country. The country was built upon the ideal of justice and freedom for all, not just Americans. It was also built with the idea of division between church and state. Pretty sure that means the state shouldn't be able to decide which churches are allowed in or that you shouldn't be allowed in based on the church you frequent.

I don't agree with anything Hillary Clinton says, either. But I'm not saying she should be disqualified. I don't think she should be President, but that's what my vote is for.

I agree that if Bernie ends up on the ticket he will most likely win. He'll get the young voters to actually vote, something that rarely happens because it's so often just a decision between horribly smelling bowls of sh'it where the only difference is the type of smell. I don't know if Bernie will actually hold up with anything he says, but out of all the bowls I have a choice between, his smells the best. But he has to get on the ticket, and Hillary is unfortunately very good at pandering to people.

Even the founding fathers came to the conclusion that their values/'foundation' would have to be changed at one point, so I'll agree to disagree, outside of breaking federal law or actually not being eligible, I believe anyone can run for president

[xparasite9]

You guys literally cannot stump the trump

[Pastewrong]

You guys literally cannot stump the trump

Did he make Mexico pay for that ad?

[KhainiWest]

[Hypermug]

I remember people saying the same thing about Obama, and well, 2 terms later...

Assuming people would actually vote for him for this reason, it's definitely NOT worth the risk.

[KhainiWest]

I remember people saying the same thing about Obama, and well, 2 terms later...

Assuming people would actually vote for him for this reason, it's definitely NOT worth the risk.

Really? Honestly I don't remember, and I was being completely facetious. Dad's military, throwing away a vote is like spitting in his face. Definitely not voting democrat this election though, Bernie is probably the closest to genuine but he's economically retarded unfortunately :|

[xparasite9]

Really? Honestly I don't remember, and I was being completely facetious. Dad's military, throwing away a vote is like spitting in his face. Definitely not voting democrat this election though, Bernie is probably the closest to genuine but he's economically retarded unfortunately :|

Yeah I agree, Bernie's genuine in the sense that he really does believe everything he says, but holy pomegranate his ideas are going to tank the economy.

[Satellite]

I don't know how old this is but stumbled upon it in Youtube...



STOP GIVING HIM VOTES GUYS

[xparasite9]

oh msnbc u so silly

[Flonne]

I don't know how old this is but stumbled upon it in Youtube...

STOP GIVING HIM VOTES GUYS

So what that guy is saying is, I should be more hyped to vote for Trump.

[KhainiWest]

See that's the childish crap you see from that crappy show. They are just as pathetic as fox news as far as I'm concerned, not that I'm voting for him but they are scared, and frankly, they should be with all this stupid ass political correctness. Talk to any normal person and they are sick of the petty cry bullies who honestly are the ones that need to grow up.

Pretentious, the best word to describe these type of people.

[xparasite9]

@KhainiWest is Trump being truthful in saying that it's not a good idea to release your tax information while in the midst of an audit?

[KhainiWest]

KhainiWest is Trump being truthful in saying that it's not a good idea to release your tax information while in the midst of an audit?

There are a few strategies involved in that, for someone of his stature? No, it probably wouldn't help or hurt him. Normally you wouldn't because your employer would see if you are lying on your tax return about business expenses, and would most likely terminate the individual. However if there are any changes to his tax return, it would show poorly. Cruz is kind of ignorant saying the fact hes being audited makes his returns even more questionable, to a certain degree that's true, but most likely just want proof for their own file on some of his, I'm sure, outrageous carry overs or depreciations, since they can last years.

EDIT:

The fact he gets audited every year means there is something he's not doing right on his tax returns, the IRS legally can't audit you again for I think like up to 10 years if you pass an audit. So it's most likely he doesn't want people to see his pre-audit tax return and rather post-audit.

[MuscleWizard]

honestly out of everyone on the red side, i'd rather trump win the primary because cruz and rubio terrify the pineapple out of me.

[Pastewrong]

honestly out of everyone on the red side, i'd rather trump win the primary because cruz and rubio terrify the pineapple out of me.

and his debates are pure gold

“A year ago you told me on my radio show — the audio and transcript are out there on YouTube — that you would release your tax returns" -Hewitt

"First of all, very few people listen to your radio show. That’s the good news. Let me just tell you — which happens to be true. Check out the ratings.” -Trump

[Satellite]

and his debates are pure gold

“A year ago you told me on my radio show — the audio and transcript are out there on YouTube — that you would release your tax returns" -Hewitt

"First of all, very few people listen to your radio show. That’s the good news. Let me just tell you — which happens to be true. Check out the ratings.” -Trump

Yeah, idk. Completely avoiding the question and turning it into some mediocrely amusing ad hominem about the questioner... Classic Trump

I honestly don't think Trump would do much of the crazy stuff he talks about. As far as I'm aware, many of his voters are white lower income people in a poor situation, angry at many things of the current system. Trump gives them an easy scapegoat to direct this anger at: mexicans, muslims, you name it. I don't think he's anti-entablishment and I don't think he will improve things for the low/middle class. Trump, and/or his advisors know how to get people to buy a product. TRUMP is a product, and it doesn't matter if the customers later find out that things didn't work exactly like in the commercial.

Why do I think this will happen? Because it happened in Finland last year. There's a rightwing "Euroskeptic" and anti-immigration party in Finland, "The Finns". They got a huge amount of votes, appealing to a very similar demographic that Trump does. They promised to never ever vote for Greece bailouts, they were talking about closing the borders, taxing the rich and improving things for the poor.

Right now they've done pretty much everything opposite of what their campaign promised. Voted for a third Greece bailout, cutting wages of the low- and middle class, cutting from education and health care and refugees are coming in numbers unheard of in the history of this country. Apparently 2 ISIS terrorists that got arrested for execution of 11 people cannot be sent to Iraq as they may face a death penalty there.