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    Default How does threaten work?


    assumming chaos vellum, is it

    300-30=270% PDR
    or 300*(1-0.3)=210% PDR
    ?

    aditionally with the hyper, which of these three is the correct way?

    300-50=250% PDR
    300*(1-0.5)=150% PDR
    300*(1-0.3)*(1-0.2)=168% PDR

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    I thought it was #2 and #2

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    Default Re: How does threaten work?


    i keep thinking it's 2 and then 3 (since that's how most hypers work) but it could be as you say since some hypers do behave that way

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    I always thought Threaten was a flat reduction(#1).

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    I can say that is not true, because otherwise my damage wouldnt spike so much at chaos vellum.

    I believe I was doing 3 mils, then when I threatened I started doing 9-10 mils.

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    it could, depending on when it's applicable. if it's at the beginning (300-50=250) then yea, it won't, but if it were after your PDR was calculated it'd be a different story. say you had 85% PDR. 300*.15=45% left, -50%=0% defense. in this example, your damage almost doubles.

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    It's been a few months since I last played, but the last time I played (December 2013) it was case 2 in both scenarios.

    Threaten was the one (are there others?) exception to the normal hyper rule as far as I could tell.

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    No idea but I could seemingly stack my threaten with another paladin's threaten when we went to c-vellum to test out our %hp defences. I managed to get my damage to jump from straight 1s to 999k lines if we both applied it.

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    that'd... be something.

    but from what i'm getting is that only frosti seems sure of his answer

    zerk is 1.3x damage, the hyper makes it 1.5 (+20%)

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    Ah ha. So there is another.

    And only take it with a grain of salt.
    I haven't taken a look at the actual game code and that'd be the only way to be 100% certain.
    Plus I haven't played in 4 months, which is like 100 years in online game years.

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    yea, really the only way i'd be appeased is for someone to show the math.
    second best is if a lot of people agreed on it (i'd still have my doubts, but not like i can test it myself)

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    Anybody have a paladin they want to throw at CVellum for the cause?

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    Those are the correct values for PDR hypers.
    This thread: http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=72874&p made me disprove my friends theory & it didnt match if it was a pure 50% line, thus making 30% 20% lines separately the correct answer.

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    L>clarifications.

    Mercedes' Spikes Royale have similar properties.

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    you're quoting me, i remember that, however that's how attacking PDR hyper works. the same way an impale hyper of +20% damage to dark impale is actually a 20% total damage to be added to the pool.

    but i'm unsure that threaten works that way because zerk (which is a buff in our case) has a 20% damage buff, but it's not 20% total damage, it literally increases the strength of zerk by 20% making it go from 1.3x multiplier to a 1.5x multiplier. so threaten which is a debuff and not an attack, might also work this way.

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    It's less of an exception and more of just being completely different effects.

    Threaten's hyper improves its PDR ignore effect, while others just add 20% PDR ignore to your attack. Some skills don't even have any PDR ignore without their hyper.

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    Im aware of that, but I aslo tested both values in the end.

    The guy was playing a marksman and I was on my paladin while these are the pdr lines he had:

    25% marksmanship
    20% Snipe
    10% Vital Hunter closest range
    15% lumi link

    That is 137.7% PDR left on vellum, and as you know you need to go past 100% to deal dmg. But if it was flat 300-50 to begin with it would get pushed down to 114,75%, that would mean he would still not do any dmg, but he did. So thats already proved

    Because marksman have too much pdr that you cannot remove we used a phantom for the 30%+20% vs 50%.
    The phantom had 20% PDR from a skill & 15% lumi link & 10% CRA hat.

    With these lines and threaten acting like 30%+20% the leftover PDR on vellum was 102.8% and he wasnt dealing any dmg. If Threaten was flat 50% you would be left with 91.8% with the same PDR values and he would be dealing dmg if it worked like that.

    Obviously I have no proof other than my testing and it COULD potentially be different in GMS, but Im guessing is the same in all servers.
    Last edited by Even; 2014-04-08 at 12:21 AM. Reason: wrote wrong skill name

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    Default Re: How does threaten work?


    it should work the same on all servers, i just wish you had screenshots X_X

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    I cannot provide anything right now Im afraid, but if anyone wants to test, you dont need a paladin to check this. Threaten and spikes royale act the same way, so you can also test this with a mercedes (given that you got the hyper skill ofc)

    Edit: Mercedes is very easy to test on aswell.

    Crusader codex 30%
    Defense break 25%
    Spikes royale either 20%+20% or 40%

    If its 20%+20% you should be left at 100,8% PDR, thats exactly not enough to deal dmg. But if its 40% you will be left at 94.5%.

    Remember not to use ishtar ring if you test this, seeing how you might have the PDR hyper selected. I might provide some screenshots tomorrow if nobody has provided some by then.

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    i think my merc isn't high enough to go there (nor has the codex) so i have to wait for your results. godspeed

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