Black vs Red Cubes

[VerrKol]

lol, I know how a random number generator works. I just want to know what makes you so absolutely sure they "manipulate" it.

I'd really like to see some solid evidence here (I know it's not possible).

It's very easy to assert that they can manipulate it. Whether or not they actually do so is what's open to debate. I've always been of the opinion that Nexon isn't some nefarious mastermind, but I suppose it's possible.

[Alkaline]

lol, I know how a random number generator works. I just want to know what makes you so absolutely sure they "manipulate" it.

I'd really like to see some solid evidence here (I know it's not possible).

I don't think there would be any way to "prove it" since Nexon doesn't state the odds to many things. Like what is the % chance of ranking up with a given cube? Or what are the odds of getting a tyrant equip from one spin of the Marvel Machine? Nexon doesn't state the actual odds to these events for the same reason casinos don't want you to know the odds...

So with no stated odds for these types of events, they could conceivably alter the values at any time they wished, and we would have no clue. I've only seen anecdotal evidence of these types of things, no "solid evidence".

But Nexon does have a track record for being shady in this regard... wasn't there some anniversary scroll in KMS that players discovered actually had diminishing success rates for every successful pass of the scroll? (a quick 5 second google search couldn't find me a source... so maybe someone knows more about this one)

[SaptaZapta]

It's a LOT easier to manipulate the outcome table than the seed itself.

For example, there is probably a line somewhere saying
"if (random() > epic_to_unique_threshold(cube_type)) then rank_up"
Changing the threshold is easy (if you've coded for the possibility, of course, and didn't hard-code it as a constant... that's where the sneakiness comes in).
Figuring out what seed to use to make sure that 1/100 numbers come up above the threshold instead of 1/50 - that's difficult and pointless.

Similarly for the probabilities of different lines. Nexon knows full well which are desirable lines and which are crap (even though they pretended not to know and only removed the lines explicitely mentioned in A Better Maple from the pool), and they can alter their likelihoods on a whim.
Again, this doesn't require "manipulating the seeds".

[Stereo]

Nexon doesn't state the actual odds to these events for the same reason casinos don't want you to know the odds...

Can't speak for the rest of the world, but in America, if you're gambling for money, they have to post the odds. The only notable exception is raffles/lotteries, since they can't predict in advance how many people will buy tickets. And lotteries still suggest the overall odds.


f2p games with gambling mechanisms get around that by only rewarding you with items of 0 retail value.

[yo72]

Sacrificial scrolling is a fallacious concept. If you passed 3 scrolls before, what's your chance of passing the next 10% scroll? 10%. Doesn't matter what the hell you passed previously. It's like saying "I rolled a double 6 on a pair of dice, I can't possibly roll it again." You may think that on the whole, the chances of passing 1 scroll after failing e.g. a dozen is very high, but the next event is totally independent from the former, because there is no knowledge of the future. This is an addicted gambler's mentality.

Which do you think is more likely? Failing 12 scrolls then passing 1, or failing 13 scrolls then passing 1, or "having only 1 scroll pass in 12(x) scrolling attempts"? x can be any number, but if you don't know what x is then you can't say anything.

This only demonstrates pure luck and a not-so-good RNG.

Hadriel

I actually made posts 2 years ago about the RNG in maple being easy to abuse, and than any posts about it were deleted but to summarize why bait-scrolling works. I do not believe that failing 1 10% raises the odds of the next 10% scroll to 20%, I don't even believe failing 5 scrolls raises the 10% scroll odds even a little. The reason so much more "success" in bait scrolling tales is because by bait scrolling you are able to see where the RNG seed is currently is which lets you decide when you want to use your scroll and by doing so you give yourself better odds of knowing the good seed instead of scrolling blind.

[IllegallySane]

Because it's semi-related. Threw money at my Zero weapon the past few days. 66 Black Cubes. Still Unique. This is ridiculous. What's the worst cubing luck you guys had getting to Legendary? I think I'll just wait for a Miracle Time and cube like mad then.

[VerrKol]

Because it's semi-related. Threw money at my Zero weapon the past few days. 66 Black Cubes. Still Unique. This is ridiculous. What's the worst cubing luck you guys had getting to Legendary? I think I'll just wait for a Miracle Time and cube like mad then.

99 super cubes on my old Empress bow. Never went past unique. Never got anything better than 40% boss.

[kayeyearekay]

Can't speak for the rest of the world, but in America, if you're gambling for money, they have to post the odds. The only notable exception is raffles/lotteries, since they can't predict in advance how many people will buy tickets. And lotteries still suggest the overall odds.


f2p games with gambling mechanisms get around that by only rewarding you with items of 0 retail value.

gambling institutions dont have to post the odds. but they do have to have a certain % of payout, regulated by the gaming commission. Payout is around 90%, meaning the "house" will always take at least 10% profit.

Spoiler

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[holycow]

Because it's semi-related. Threw money at my Zero weapon the past few days. 66 Black Cubes. Still Unique. This is ridiculous. What's the worst cubing luck you guys had getting to Legendary? I think I'll just wait for a Miracle Time and cube like mad then.

3rd cube epic, 301st cube unique on my blue dragon shield
(normal miracle cubes, legendary rank wasn't out then)

[Christian]

Went through over 220k last night using black cubes.. I have to have the worst luck going as I only got one piece of gear from Epic to Unique.

Too add more insult I got Rare to Epic from those new event cubes within 3 goes.

Heh, personally had better luck with reds.